World Politics

[The Hitch]

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Reports from witnesses saying perpetrators were screaming a certain, well known Arabic phrase

I heard others saying the killers said nothing while killing.

With the targets being youngsters, I guess in theory it could be some brejvick nutjobs, but realistically I think we all have a good idea who it was.

 

[Red Rick]

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Reports from witnesses saying perpetrators were screaming a certain, well known Arabic phrase

I heard others saying the killers said nothing while killing.

Hopefully well get more definitive answers by tomorrow

 

[The Hitch]

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Reports saying around 100 dead inside the Bataclan on top of the toll we already know about.

That's gut wrenching. Looked initially like it could have been a succesful operation. Of course very little info in these circumstances but I had been hopeful.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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Reports from witnesses saying perpetrators were screaming a certain, well known Arabic phrase

I heard others saying the killers said nothing while killing.

With the targets being youngsters, I guess in theory it could be some brejvick nutjobs, but realistically I think we all have a good idea who it was.

The larger the scale, though, the less likely a Timothy McVeigh or Anders Breivik becomes. I think this has long since gone past the point where any hope remained that it is a small group of that type.

 

[The Hitch]

Apparently one attacker has been captured. Don't remember if that's happened before maybe in the attacks in Asia, but didn't happen in 9/11, Madrid or London. Obviously Breijvick was captured but he's mentally beyond sanity.

Hope he finds soon that he wasn't ready for the hate that comes his way. He deserves every unpleasant experience that he faces and that it lasts a long time.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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Reports saying around 100 dead inside the Bataclan on top of the toll we already know about.

That's gut wrenching. Looked initially like it could have been a succesful operation. Of course very little info in these circumstances but I had been hopeful.

Maybe it was. After all, before the hostage situation developed there had been several minutes of firing and the number of suspected hostages was lower than the number of reported deaths so many may have been killed either by the initial opening of fire or in attempts to escape before the stand-off developed. It's only if we find out how many escaped after the operation that we'll know.

 

[The Hitch]

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Reports from witnesses saying perpetrators were screaming a certain, well known Arabic phrase

I heard others saying the killers said nothing while killing.

With the targets being youngsters, I guess in theory it could be some brejvick nutjobs, but realistically I think we all have a good idea who it was.

The larger the scale, though, the less likely a Timothy McVeigh or Anders Breivik becomes. I think this has long since gone past the point where any hope remained that it is a small group of that type.

I think it was a small group. 2 or 3 kids. These cells dont' necesarily come from Isis. Sometimes its just kids in their bedrooms. But yeah, doesn't feel like some Mcveigh type.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Reuters, citing a Paris city hall official, puts the death toll of the various attacks at about 140 people.

 

[52520Andrew]

Such a shame about the situation in Paris right now.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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Reuters, citing a Paris city hall official, puts the death toll of the various attacks at about 140 people.

That would seem about right for the time being at least, we had 42 reported, plus the approx. 100 in the Bataclan itself. Madrid was around 190, I expect the overall toll will probably rise here though with the many wounded and as more facts and information presents itself.

 

[Scott SoCal]

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Reuters, citing a Paris city hall official, puts the death toll of the various attacks at about 140 people.

Just gutted. Love Paris, the French, Europe, traveling, people, new friends.... I don't and will never understand this kind of thing.

Terrible, terrible day.

 

[Amsterhammer]

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Reuters, citing a Paris city hall official, puts the death toll of the various attacks at about 140 people.

Just gutted. Love Paris, the French, Europe, traveling, people, new friends.... I don't and will never understand this kind of thing.

Terrible, terrible day.

Possibly the first time ever that I am able to agree with every word, Scott.

Death toll now 153.

 

[Echoes]

First observation. Beirut attack on Thursday, 45 dead and counting. Compared to the new Paris attacks, very short coverage by Western MSM. And apparently, zero reaction on this thread.

More importantly, the Beirut attack are meant as retaliation for the Hezbollah support of Assad against ISIS since the Russian intervention against the said US sponsored terrorist group. Obviously, it does not fit with the clash of civilizations theory. This is a terrorist attack against an enemy of Israel and of the USA. It's as though ISIS were playing into their hands ...

However another attack in Paris is instrmental in propagating Islamophobia in Western minds, so there's a big minute-by-minute live coverage ...

This being said, let us remember that the Bataclan is an ultra-Zionist concert hall which celebrates the Israeli border police Magav every year ... With so much provocation, how could you not expect what would happen.

Eagles of Black Metal recently made a tour in Israel.

A state of emergency has been declared now. These things, we know when it starts, but not when it ends. It might last for décades.

We might this time Wonder what the motives for this attack was. Charlie Hebdo, that was the official recognition by the French Parliament of the Palestinian state (in December) [Netanyahu had predicted terrorist attacks in France in August 2014 if they did].

This time it might be the EU's decision to label products coming from the Israeli colonies (which Netanyahu called anti-Semitic and Nazi) or the planned visited by President Rohani next Sunday, considered "an insult to French Jews". Future will tell.


Oh yes, and finally, Laurent Joffrin and Libération have been mentioned here. So let us remember that Joffrin is a tw*t of the first order who celebrated the libertarian reforms of President Mitterrand in 1984 and that Libération was formerly owned by Rothschild and now by Patrick Drahi. Drahi is an Israeli businessman at the head of the Telecom group Altice, who made deals with the Carlyle Group (which means the neocons of the Bush administration) and is a close friend of Peres and Netanyahu. What a great reference!

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Or, more realistically, coverage and proximity are two major factors rather than playing into prejudices. The media play a large part in that, but also there is the simple fact that Beirut is in a country that borders Syria and Israel, and the area is politically unstable and therefore it is not unexpected. Attacks in those areas regularly don't get much coverage in the worldwide news, whether right or wrong. Attacks on somewhere which has been relatively at peace for a long time (first curfew since 1944) and seemingly out of nowhere, those get much larger coverage. Factor in the disproportionate number of posters who are either close at hand to or in France, have been there or who have friends there compared to Beirut for the personal side of things and that it's easier to identify with. Maybe that shouldn't play into things but it does. Anders Breivik was a lone nut, but I found his attacks particularly chilling because I had been in Oslo and walked past where his bomb went off a month earlier. I have friends in Île-de-France I was waiting on to check in safe. Effectively, the rest of Europe has been served a reminder of why the refugee crisis is happening: because this is those people's daily lives.

Anti-Islamists will obviously try to capitalize on this, and some will try to use it for their own ends (Donald Trump has already tried to use it as a case against gun control ffs), but that's an issue for the fallout. For the moment we need to know who's ok, who's responsible and whether to expect more.

 

[phanatic]

Why seems it so particular with Paris?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNIs11_R9M

 

[Red Rick]

Apperently the death count has been adjusted to 128 now, so that's less than was mentioned earlier

 

[movingtarget]

It seems that many of the injured were seriously wounded so the death toll will rise even more. Even some of the band's crew have not been accounted for. It must have been a nightmare in the concert hall. Why Breivik is being mentioned I have no idea. It was obviously a well organized and coordinated attack not some random psycho. I am sure Moscow will also be on high alert after the threats from ISIS made recently.

 

[Red Rick]

Just saw some footage of people fleeing the Bataclan from the back exit. I consider myself as someone who isn't easily shocked by television, but that was just horrifying

 

[gooner]

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Or, more realistically, coverage and proximity are two major factors rather than playing into prejudices. The media play a large part in that, but also there is the simple fact that Beirut is in a country that borders Syria and Israel, and the area is politically unstable and therefore it is not unexpected. Attacks in those areas regularly don't get much coverage in the worldwide news, whether right or wrong. Attacks on somewhere which has been relatively at peace for a long time (first curfew since 1944) and seemingly out of nowhere, those get much larger coverage. Factor in the disproportionate number of posters who are either close at hand to or in France, have been there or who have friends there compared to Beirut for the personal side of things and that it's easier to identify with. Maybe that shouldn't play into things but it does. Anders Breivik was a lone nut, but I found his attacks particularly chilling because I had been in Oslo and walked past where his bomb went off a month earlier. I have friends in Île-de-France I was waiting on to check in safe. Effectively, the rest of Europe has been served a reminder of why the refugee crisis is happening: because this is those people's daily lives.

Anti-Islamists will obviously try to capitalize on this, and some will try to use it for their own ends (Donald Trump has already tried to use it as a case against gun control ffs), but that's an issue for the fallout. For the moment we need to know who's ok, who's responsible and whether to expect more.

I don't like the guy, but I think Trump's tweet is from January. That ******* clown Gingrich has now though.

EDIT: Islamic State claim responsibility in statement.

 

[Arredondo]

Those images of the people try to escape from Bataclan really makes me sick

 

[Red Rick]

There's just so much going on at the same time right now that you can almost garuantee that bad decisions are going to be made

 

[Brullnux]

Liberté, égalité, fraternité

 

[Arredondo]

At the moment more explosions and shooting at the suburb Bagnolet

 

[Red Rick]

That's sick. Where did you hear that, I can't find it

 

[BigMac]

Twitter, multiple people on location.

Journos saying 4 men went through a police roadblock and there are shootings taking place. May be them.

Some reports now saying it's just a wedding. May be nothing to worry about.