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....good points about trying to constructively deal with Turkey the nation and bring them into the fold of, for want of a better word, the modern world....the issue is the current government should somehow pay a price for its actions ( which btw include actions which produced the flood of refugees that are such a problem ) yet such a move must try to avoid hurting the nation and its people.....tough call that...
.....one option is to treat the Erdogan issue the way the West would like to deal with the Assad issue in Syria ( you know declare a no fly zone over Turkey and bomb the crap out of the country until Erdogan is gone....you know, the famous and effective destroy the country to save it gambit ) and the freedom loving West is real good at that type of stuff...
...ok ok above facetiousness put way aside....this is a real tough call, very tough....would depend on whether there is a possibility of someone or some group being able to lead /capable of leading Turkey away from its current situation...is that possible ?...can a new Turkey arise from this in a reasonable way ?....
Cheers
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No matter how it's stated it's pretty much the same thing.... learn from your mistakes, history repeats itself, ect.
Germany getting props for almost anything needs to be balanced with it's history. Slamming Turkey for acting foolishly as it runs away from secularism is partly Germany's fault. Germany was always the loudest voice in the room never agreeing on Turkey's inclusion in the European Union.
Turkey tested over and over with bizzare proposals to support Bush and Britton in the invasion of Iraq. I will admit that there were not a lot of options. Turkey now doing the West a service beyond payment by absorbing a disproportionate number of those fleeing the mess even while it's Donald Trump says dumber and dumber things.
As the world waits for the next banking crisis, UK bankers and business folks warning of the huge risk and losses if the UK pulls away from the union. Australia overexposed even more than the US was before it's housing bubble burst and the good old USA back to business as usual with big bloated banks that walk all over laws and lawmakers to make staggering profits despite a flat economy, zero percent interest to them and fines paid for violations in practice. We may be learning but not too fast.
First things first. Don't let Turkey be so,so isolated. When it's government stomps on media and journalists let it be held to a Western standard. When it's leadership stands up and makes religious mandates not to use birth control, let him also say it to Western peers. When the leader of Turkey says women are less than men let him feel female heat from a big union of angry vagina bearers not the intimidated female population of just one country.
If the US's bastard stepchild is Saudi Arabia I hope that the EU will take Turkey and include it instead of have all these Frenemy type of relationships that can blow up in an instant.
....good points about trying to constructively deal with Turkey the nation and bring them into the fold of, for want of a better word, the modern world....the issue is the current government should somehow pay a price for its actions ( which btw include actions which produced the flood of refugees that are such a problem ) yet such a move must try to avoid hurting the nation and its people.....tough call that...
.....one option is to treat the Erdogan issue the way the West would like to deal with the Assad issue in Syria ( you know declare a no fly zone over Turkey and bomb the crap out of the country until Erdogan is gone....you know, the famous and effective destroy the country to save it gambit ) and the freedom loving West is real good at that type of stuff...
...ok ok above facetiousness put way aside....this is a real tough call, very tough....would depend on whether there is a possibility of someone or some group being able to lead /capable of leading Turkey away from its current situation...is that possible ?...can a new Turkey arise from this in a reasonable way ?....
Cheers