World Politics

[Irondan]

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I suspect that if anything, the military is likely to be more 'pro-US' than Erdogan. If the next general swears that now they're really going to get serious about Daesh, and that they will stop bombing "our" Kurds, I can see NATO listening, no?

Twitter and Facebook shut down.

I wonder how the EU will react to a coup taking place in one of their countries?

WorWorld of wonder. I sorta guess we should have seen this coming.

I suppose it's always in the back of everyone's mind that Turkey is ripe for the taking for Islam, but does the EU boot them back to being an independent entity? It's going to be interesting to see how Brussels reacts...

 

[Brullnux]

Turkey isn't in the EU, or particularly close to joining in reality. That was a fantasy cooked up by the Brexit campaign.

 

[Irondan]

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Turkey isn't in the EU, or particularly close to joining in reality. That was a fantasy cooked up by the Brexit campaign.

My bad, I was under the impression that Turkey was a full fledged member....

 

[Amsterhammer]

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I suspect that if anything, the military is likely to be more 'pro-US' than Erdogan. If the next general swears that now they're really going to get serious about Daesh, and that they will stop bombing "our" Kurds, I can see NATO listening, no?

Twitter and Facebook shut down.

I wonder how the EU will react to a coup taking place in one of their countries?

Turkey is not an EU member, but it is a NATO member. The Turks have wanted to join the EU since at least the start of this century, if not earlier, while the EU has been (rightly) dragging its feet about accepting Turkey.

 

[BullsFan22]

Yeah, Erdogan has been terrible. His foreign policy was dangerous and he antagonized a lot of his allies/partners. I am not sure what/who would be his replacement(s), but these are troubling times, to say the least. If this coup spirals into a massive political and military storm, it could really spell disaster for Turkey but also the middle east and Europe.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Allegedly a clip of an army helicopter firing on broadcasting HQ in Ankara.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/754064103874920448/video/1

Thousands of people in the streets, honking and celebrating. They haven't heard about the curfew.

 

[BigMac]

Images of shot people passing on the telly. Shots being heard, don't know if images are live or not.

Let's just hope another s*itstorm opening a red carpet for ISIS doesn't happen.

 

[Brullnux]

Maybe the military government won't buy oil off ISIS.

 

[burning]

Looks like there will be no military goverment, and it looks like a false flag.

 

[ToreBear]

After Erdogan sacked Davitoglu, I'we kind of given up on Erdogan remaining democratically managable. Seems elements of the Turkish army might have too.

I don't know which side is right or wrong. Erdogan has seemed to be turning into Putin. He seems to have changed the role of the President without constitutional approval. Then again the last time the Army ruled the country it was bad news for everybody.

This coup could be limited to certain subcomands of the Army. Right now I'm wondering if it is the 1st Army in istanbul that is at the center of the coup, with elements from other Armys included.


Meh. I hope things turn out for the best.

Edit: the 1st. army commander said he does not support the coup. So scratch that. I have no idea what's going on.

 

[Brullnux]

Apparently Gülenists have led the coup. If this is true, then the Turks are truly stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

[BigMac]

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Apparently Gülenists have led the coup. If this is true, then the Turks are truly stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Bizarre. These news have been popping throughout the day, before this started to happen. Surely this could not have triggered something of this magnitude?

The document claimed that the group, “runs de facto by Gülen … has a cadre system in the judiciary, the army, the police and the ministries,” tried to bring these institutions into its authority to transform them into its armed forces. “The establishment formed an unconditional [religious] communal sovereignty, organized vertically and in parallel to the state,” it added.

The indictment also claimed that the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) was the state institution into which the group has organized most comprehensively and where it has secured most authority. It said some of the group’s members “have mentioned civil war and military coups [by] relying on this structuring within the TSK.”

 

[Amsterhammer]

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Looks like there will be no military goverment, and it looks like a false flag.

Explain yourself.

 

[BigMac]

Erdogan facetimes news channel and asks for the people's support.

Some reports place Police as staying loyal to the government and ralying with the populace.

 

[Red Rick]

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Looks like there will be no military goverment, and it looks like a false flag.

Explain yourself.

I dunno. Some people on the news mentioned it could be stages by Erdogan himself. Mostly because they refused this could happen without Erdogan knowing.

But then why shoot helicopters down

 

[gooner]

Haven't heard this elsewhere but RTE over here just tweeted this.

RTÉ News ‏@rtenews 51s52 seconds ago
Turkish broadcaster NTV: Turkish fighter jet shoots down military helicopter used by coup plotters over capital Ankara

 

[Red Rick]

Ah ***. I'm just gonna get some sleep and hope there won't be civil war in Turkey when I wake up

 

[python]

i used to regularly monitor the trt tv channel broadcasting in english. it's the turkish official equivalent of rt or the radio freedom. the station is still off the air. gone...

the comments i hear from other alternative sources like al jazeera report the military were fed up with the egypt-like muslim brotherhood ideology and the 180 degree maneuvers like war/pice with israel, russia and ( as of yesterday) a supposed drastic switch on syria.

the erdogan political twists and turns defied common rationality. much less what one would expect of a modern government rooted in a complex international system.

just heard, if reliable, the obama gov threw its weight behind erdogan

 

[burning]

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Looks like there will be no military goverment, and it looks like a false flag.

Explain yourself.

Sure.

There are VERY MAJOR differences from this compared to previous coup in 1980. Let me list them:

1- As you may have realized, the stuff only happens in Istanbul and Ankara, not in whole Turkey.
2- In the previous coup, the army arrested whole parliament before "they" announced everything. Right now, every single minister is speaking on TV.
3- The declaration was made by the head of army in 1980, today some random announcer on a tv read the declaration and there is no supporting claims from any high rank officer.
4- The coup was done in 4 am while everyone was asleep, today they started the shitshow in 10pm, which makes no sense.
5- The army in Turkey is big (around 800k people), but only 1-2k soldiers are doing the coup, which makes no sense.

You may wonder why Erdogan could have done this, let me explain that as well. In the current political situation, actually Erdogan does not have much political power as a president under current laws and he wants to change the laws asap but he does not have the required majority in parilament to pass necessary laws.

As you may know, Erdogan annonunced that they will give citizenship to Syrian refugees, which caused a huge negative reaction even amongst his supporters, which pretty much never happened since he rose to power. Combine that with all the bombings lately and he could easily put the blame on lunatic Gulen, you can see that why he wants to change the current political situation so that he can easily pass laws to make him even more stronger and autocratic.

 

[gooner]

Turkish intelligence spokesperson said it has failed.

This will only strengthen the rule of Erdogan.

 

[BigMac]

Planes and helis hijacked dropping bombs on people and parliament, says PM. Anadolu, state news agency, also reports rockets hit parliament.

No footage so can't confirm.

 

[BigMac]

There's at least one video of an attack helicopter opening fire on a ground target. Can't tell if citizens, police...

 

[gooner]

If it's the same video that I saw, that was the headquarters of the Turkish intelligence agency.

Edit: @BigMac https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/754101326607515648

 

[BigMac]

Thanks gooner, hadn't seen that one. I was talking about this: https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754087041403682816

Also, it's confirmed that a bomb did indeed explode in the vicinity of the parliament: https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754108677292982272

Seems like a battle between the military and police/security forces.

 

[python]

the military coup appears failed.

depending on who is reporting, of course. the fact that the govt trt channel is back on air and reporting so is significant. also the istambul governor went on air declaring the arrest of several plotters.

the question now is how much blood will be spilled by erdogan to avenge the coup :Question: