World Politics

[BullsFan22]

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if there's any merit to the report, that lil vlad tool is an amateur compared to the evidence revealed by a certain mr. snowden.

no doubt, if the global revelations of mr. snowden that america was mass hacking not just its own citizens, that we all know are the free-est and most liberated citizens in the world, but also other countries, and get this - the allies leaders and their secrets... then sure that catching lil russian fish was likely a poor attempt at redressing own propensities at global spying and hacking...

then again, to some mr. snowden is a traitor of everything exceptional. if not that, he's a russian stooge.

prof blutov, had he applied ?

Maybe a russian stooge.

Somehow I doubt that destination Russia was his original plan. :surprised:

Trouble was the little john boys and quadfocals were all too eager to shut up anything Snowden had.

snowden is a special phenomena in the american history to be still written... i believe america will go through many pains and back flips before she will realize the guy exposed some serious flaws in a system posing as an emulation ideal...

who was/is mr snowden ?

neither of us have the real info to elucidate the guy's inner motives. was he working for moscow all along ? possible, but there wasn't any info to firm this up...

was/is he an idealist presented by himself and his enablers ? again possible, but it's too convenient a position to be taken uncritically...i want to believe he is, but would be less than honest to conflate a wish with the verified fact...

was/is he a traitor to his country as it would be interpreted by any country ? here's i'm likely to surprise you... yes, he is. he took an oath and he broke it. you didn't, patrick didn't, busted didn't...

here's where i draw my line b/c i owe allegiance to no one. the whole snowden phenomena is a positive thing. positive for america, b/c he exposed some practices most americans are in denial about. good for the world at large, b/c it represents another step towards redressing the current balance of power which has gone one-sided for too long...

i doubt he's a stooge, but one day, i hope, america will clear up that too...and erect a monument for him.

Velo said he is a stooge. So he must be a stooge.

 

[blutto]

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if there's any merit to the report, that lil vlad tool is an amateur compared to the evidence revealed by a certain mr. snowden.

no doubt, if the global revelations of mr. snowden that america was mass hacking not just its own citizens, that we all know are the free-est and most liberated citizens in the world, but also other countries, and get this - the allies leaders and their secrets... then sure that catching lil russian fish was likely a poor attempt at redressing own propensities at global spying and hacking...

then again, to some mr. snowden is a traitor of everything exceptional. if not that, he's a russian stooge.

prof blutov, had he applied ?

....there was something, but we haven't able to break the encryption, its very clever...btw if it were up to me he would in .....maybe make him an honourary member ?....certainly fits the profile...

Cheers

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

if there's any merit to the report, that lil vlad tool is an amateur compared to the evidence revealed by a certain mr. snowden.

no doubt, if the global revelations of mr. snowden that america was mass hacking not just its own citizens, that we all know are the free-est and most liberated citizens in the world, but also other countries, and get this - the allies leaders and their secrets... then sure that catching lil russian fish was likely a poor attempt at redressing own propensities at global spying and hacking...

then again, to some mr. snowden is a traitor of everything exceptional. if not that, he's a russian stooge.

prof blutov, had he applied ?

Maybe a russian stooge.

Somehow I doubt that destination Russia was his original plan. :surprised:

Trouble was the little john boys and quadfocals were all too eager to shut up anything Snowden had.

snowden is a special phenomena in the american history to be still written... i believe america will go through many pains and back flips before she will realize the guy exposed some serious flaws in a system posing as an emulation ideal...

who was/is mr snowden ?

neither of us have the real info to elucidate the guy's inner motives. was he working for moscow all along ? possible, but there wasn't any info to firm this up...

was/is he an idealist presented by himself and his enablers ? again possible, but it's too convenient a position to be taken uncritically...i want to believe he is, but would be less than honest to conflate a wish with the verified fact...

was/is he a traitor to his country as it would be interpreted by any country ? here's i'm likely to surprise you... yes, he is. he took an oath and he broke it. you didn't, patrick didn't, busted didn't...

here's where i draw my line b/c i owe allegiance to no one. the whole snowden phenomena is a positive thing. positive for america, b/c he exposed some practices most americans are in denial about. good for the world at large, b/c it represents another step towards redressing the current balance of power which has gone one-sided for too long...

i doubt he's a stooge, but one day, i hope, america will clear up that too...and erect a monument for him.

Velo said he is a stooge. So he must be a stooge.

....well there you go....he is definitely in....

Cheers

 

[movingtarget]

Canada: Someone Thinks It's Not Very Good !

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/21/canada-politics-progressive-liberal-trudeau

 

[blutto]

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Canada: Someone Thinks It's Not Very Good !

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/21/canada-politics-progressive-liberal-trudeau

...oh damn the secrets out and one need go no further than this damning proof....

The first prime minister and founding father of Canada, John A Macdonald, was a raging alcoholic. He spent entire campaigns fabulously drunk and once vomited on stage during a stump speech. When his rival pointed it out, Macdonald shot back that he hadn’t puked because of booze, but because he had been “forced to listen to the ranting of my honourable opponent”. It was a deflection worthy of Trump. Macdonald handily won the election

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....yup we bad....a great reputation with a dark underbelly ( though it would be nice to see the metrics that the author used to define good )...but there is this "weird" ( especially in terms of the current world situation and the direction it is going ) push to try to make things better...getting rid of Harper was a real fine start....nicely put a damper on the tar sands project and weapons exports and his stonewalling on the natives issue.....this as opposed to The Guardian which also had a great reputation but has definitely gone the Harper route and continues to race, without hesitation or second thought, to the bottom of the swamp...

....so yeah not perfect, never has been, but we continue to strive to do better ( and the last election seemed to prove that....as say Merikah and the woes her election is revealing....)....

...and that someone, well, the author is , uhh, a fine bit of work,quite well known in these parts.... think a Canadian version of Breitbart, better because he is, uhh, Canadian, but fundamentally still like Breitbart...

Cheers

 

[movingtarget]

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Canada: Someone Thinks It's Not Very Good !

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/21/canada-politics-progressive-liberal-trudeau

...oh damn the secrets out and one need go no further than this damning proof....

The first prime minister and founding father of Canada, John A Macdonald, was a raging alcoholic. He spent entire campaigns fabulously drunk and once vomited on stage during a stump speech. When his rival pointed it out, Macdonald shot back that he hadn’t puked because of booze, but because he had been “forced to listen to the ranting of my honourable opponent”. It was a deflection worthy of Trump. Macdonald handily won the election

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....yup we bad....a great reputation with a dark underbelly ( though it would be nice to see the metrics that the author used to define good )...but there is this "weird" ( especially in terms of the current world situation and the direction it is going ) push to try to make things better...getting rid of Harper was a real fine start....nicely put a damper on the tar sands project and weapons exports and his stonewalling on the natives issue.....this as opposed to The Guardian which also had a great reputation but has definitely gone the Harper route and continues to race, without hesitation or second thought, to the bottom of the swamp...

....so yeah not perfect, never has been, but we continue to strive to do better ( and the last election seemed to prove that....as say Merikah and the woes her election is revealing....)....

...and that someone, well, the author is , uhh, a fine bit of work,quite well known in these parts.... think a Canadian version of Breitbart, better because he is, uhh, Canadian, but fundamentally still like Breitbart...

Cheers

I guess it's different when the candidate is vomiting instead of the voters ! I thought the tone of the article was quite funny, like someone had gotten out of bed on the wrong side and decided to be a grump until the article was submitted but as with most things I am sure there is some truth buried in there somewhere.

 

[djpbaltimore]

C'mon, blutto. You are being hypocritical. You linked to a breitbart article yesterday and they are worse than breitbart himself.

 

[blutto]

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Canada: Someone Thinks It's Not Very Good !

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/21/canada-politics-progressive-liberal-trudeau

...oh damn the secrets out and one need go no further than this damning proof....

The first prime minister and founding father of Canada, John A Macdonald, was a raging alcoholic. He spent entire campaigns fabulously drunk and once vomited on stage during a stump speech. When his rival pointed it out, Macdonald shot back that he hadn’t puked because of booze, but because he had been “forced to listen to the ranting of my honourable opponent”. It was a deflection worthy of Trump. Macdonald handily won the election

.

....yup we bad....a great reputation with a dark underbelly ( though it would be nice to see the metrics that the author used to define good )...but there is this "weird" ( especially in terms of the current world situation and the direction it is going ) push to try to make things better...getting rid of Harper was a real fine start....nicely put a damper on the tar sands project and weapons exports and his stonewalling on the natives issue.....this as opposed to The Guardian which also had a great reputation but has definitely gone the Harper route and continues to race, without hesitation or second thought, to the bottom of the swamp...

....so yeah not perfect, never has been, but we continue to strive to do better ( and the last election seemed to prove that....as say Merikah and the woes her election is revealing....)....

...and that someone, well, the author is , uhh, a fine bit of work,quite well known in these parts.... think a Canadian version of Breitbart, better because he is, uhh, Canadian, but fundamentally still like Breitbart...

Cheers

I guess it's different when the candidate is vomiting instead of the voters ! I thought the tone of the article was quite funny, like someone had gotten out of bed on the wrong side and decided to be a grump until the article was submitted but as with most things I am sure there is some truth buried in there somewhere.

....yeah, just barely enough truth...the author, a loud shameless self promoter, has been running along this path thruout his career....not unlike Breitbart, though to be honest the BS in that case is much much higher...he has, to his credit, done some good stories, but his slapdash style ( which at worse is just say anything to get published....he sells that slapdash as irreverent and edgy but at the end of the day its just slapdash and he simply can't be trusted to be a consistent source of information....) undercuts the overall credibility rating....read, he is the life of the party kinda guy who just looks dodgy in the light of the morning after....

Cheers

 

[blutto]

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C'mon, blutto. You are being hypocritical. You linked to a breitbart article yesterday and they are worse than breitbart himself.

...yeah I linked to the Breibart article as much as anything to show that it was so obvious even Breitbart got it right....

...nice try on the hypocrisy accusation but I'm a fairly stand-up guy and I would never ever, infringe on your domain, nor your ability to play in your field of choice, or "cut your grass"....hypocrisy suits you and your work here, you're quite good at it, its all yours...

Cheers

 

[djpbaltimore]

For once, just try to own your dumb argument instead of deflecting on to somebody else.

So what have you been doing about stopping Trudeau's trade deal?

 

[blutto]

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For once, just try to own your dumb argument instead of deflecting on to somebody else.

So what have you been doing about stopping Trudeau's trade deal?

....I don't have any dumb arguments, they are all scintillating and breath-takingly brilliant....and am deflecting nothing, just putting it in a place it so richly deserves....

Cheers

 

[djpbaltimore]

So you've done nothing. Duly noted...

 

[blutto]

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So you've done nothing. Duly noted...

....and you've just done something really "special"....and frankly not much of a surprise....though oddly, still a disappointment....and I'm sure you consider yourself one of the good people...oh well...

Cheers

 

[BullsFan22]

Clinton has really gone into overdrive with her "Russian Aggression" tactic in the past week or so. Irrespective of what we think of it, it's dangerous. The thing is that Americans are falling for it and instead of rationally thinking about it, they are blinded by this rhetoric.

 

[movingtarget]

Clinton has really gone into overdrive with her "Russian Aggression" tactic in the past week or so. Irrespective of what we think of it, it's dangerous. The thing is that Americans are falling for it and instead of rationally thinking about it, they are blinded by this rhetoric.

Trump only helps her because he can't keep his mouth shut. It would be impossible to be a PR person for Trump but it seems that is why his supporters like him. He doesn't stick to the script and he does not have any consistency on just about any issue. Although he does love Mexicans, he admires Putin, he is not a racist and he has never harassed women. According to him of course. I actually found Trump more convincing on his TV show. The strangest election in my memory where two candidates are so mutually disliked it could still be quite a close election even with all of Trump's media problems and so called dirty laundry. I think both parties will learn a lot from this election. Maybe. I am sure that in her own mind Clinton thought she had the election sewn up after becoming the Democrat candidate. The fact that she is facing Trump must have surprised many Democrat strategists as well as Clinton.

 

[BullsFan22]

Clinton has really gone into overdrive with her "Russian Aggression" tactic in the past week or so. Irrespective of what we think of it, it's dangerous. The thing is that Americans are falling for it and instead of rationally thinking about it, they are blinded by this rhetoric.

Trump only helps her because he can't keep his mouth shut. It would be impossible to be a PR person for Trump but it seems that is why his supporters like him. He doesn't stick to the script and he does not have any consistency on just about any issue. Although he does love Mexicans, he admires Putin, he is not a racist and he has never harassed women. According to him of course. I actually found Trump more convincing on his TV show. The strangest election in my memory where two candidates are so mutually disliked it could still be quite a close election even with all of Trump's media problems and so called dirty laundry. I think both parties will learn a lot from this election. Maybe. I am sure that in her own mind Clinton thought she had the election sewn up after becoming the Democrat candidate. The fact that she is facing Trump must have surprised many Democrat strategists as well as Clinton.

As far as international relations and strategy, candidates would be far better off saying 'i would like to try to maintain or improve relations with this, this, this and this country and while putting America's interest first, I want to see us making new friends rather than enemies....' Of course it's not so simple in the complex world of politics, but neither candidate has said anything close to that. I'll say in that regard Clinton has been far more aggressive. No question Trump is continually shooting himself in the foot. He would be better off just keeping quiet and simply state what I wrote, that the US is willing to listen and be more pragmatic and instead of antagonizing certain countries and their leaders, we could be doing more to strengthen relations. Of course, if either of them said that, they'd be quickly attacked by the other and would object to the ideas.

 

[movingtarget]

Vlad Press Conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnqx6PYLqoQ

 

[blutto]

....file under, They hate us for our freedoms, hahahaha.....and for the Western MSMs east Aleppo is the only issue worth commenting on ( not west Aleppo, not the area immediately outside Aleppo , but east Aleppo where Merikah's new best friend ISIS is fighting the good fight for freedom, democracy and apple pie and everything the NeoCons hold dear ...)...

The missile attack on a US ship off the coast of Yemen was a major news event, but the subsequent follow up story, that it may never have happened, was either ignored by mainstream media or intentionally covered up. The whole thing has the same odor as the Gulf of Tonkin incident that never occurred.

Does history repeat itself? Sure does seem like it. That is if you compare America’s entry into the Vietnam civil war, with America’s latest entry into the war in Yemen.

Don’t be mistaken, we have been at war with Yemen for a year now. America sided with the most oppressive government in the world, Saudi Arabia, in attacking and pounding Yemeni schools, funeral parlors, and hospitals, for well over a year. This war could not have happened without a wink and a nod from the US, and the arming of the Saudis’ with US weapons. In addition to providing the Saudi’s with weapons, we also provide mid-air refueling and have delivered 40 million pounds of jet fuel over the past 18 months, thus enabling the devastating bombings of civilian facilities. The US used a cease fire in Yemen to re-arm the Saudi’s, who were running out of bombs and weapons, we provided the targeting information, ground maintenance of aircraft, and of course the wink and nod to go ahead, which unleashed this humanitarian disaster. So here we have Saudi Arabia, one of the wealthiest but most oppressive governments’ in the world, a supporter of terrorists in Syria and around the world, attacking one of the poorest nations on earth. According to a leaked Hillary Clinton e-mail, she is fully aware that Saudi Arabia sponsors terrorists in Syria, but still the go ahead wink to the Saudis. Now that we and the Saudi’s have destroyed everything in Yemen with bombs, we are helping the Saudi’s maintain a blockade, preventing food and medical supplies from reaching the Yemeni people, which by some estimates, have already cost the lives of 10,000 children under the age of 5.

All that however, was not enough for the US. Now we have actively entered the shooting war, based on yet another possible ruse by our government. The US Navy claimed they were attacked by Houthi missiles from somewhere in Yemen, and promptly launched Tomahawk missiles at a cost of $1.5 million per missile, in revenge. Some suggest we took out radar installations with our Tomahawk missiles. But hold the phone, two days later the US military very quietly announced they are not sure if there was a missile attack at all. Yup you got it. Did you hear that story on mainstream media? Of course not. It appears that no one saw the missiles from Yemen, nothing was hit by missiles, and there was no corroboration from other ships in the area. The Houthis’ denied they had anything to do with the alleged attack. The US very quietly admitted, perhaps it was all about “ghost radar images”, and there never were any missiles. This story was completely ignored by mainstream media. Supposedly, whether the attack occurred is being investigated by the military, and there will be a report coming, but don’t wait up for the late-night news to hear the results of the pending report. It might never come, or if it does, would you believe a report where the military is investigating itself?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45723.htm

Cheers

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Clinton has really gone into overdrive with her "Russian Aggression" tactic in the past week or so. Irrespective of what we think of it, it's dangerous. The thing is that Americans are falling for it and instead of rationally thinking about it, they are blinded by this rhetoric.

And of course, no 'rhetoric' coming from the trumpistas..of course not. No americans are 'falling' for trump's bloviation, as it changes day to day. Of course not..maybe only the white angry types?

 

[aphronesis]

So you're incapable of thinking about Clinton's Russia strategy? Won't matter after the election as you'll just snap to against the "enemy".

It's great for you--and all of us--that the body breathes without being told.

 

[blutto]

.....this, the opening lines from a very recent article....

Hillary Clinton’s Strategic Ambition in a Nutshell
by Diana Johnstone

It has become crystal clear.

For the record, here it is.

She has big ambitions, which she does not spell out for fear of frightening part of the electorate, but which are perfectly understood by her closest aides and biggest donors.

She wants to achieve regime change in Russia

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/21/hillary-clintons-strategic-ambition-in-a-nutshell/

Cheers

 

[blutto]

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So you're incapable of thinking about Clinton's Russia strategy? Won't matter after the election as you'll just snap to against the "enemy".

It's great for you--and all of us--that the body breathes without being told.

....and he is also continually confusing the USSR and Russia as well as Communists and Russians....we can just write that off as a significant part of his considerable charm I suppose...

....and btw he also wants you to get off his lawn, like, right now !....

Cheers

 

[aphronesis]

Well you know that axiom about fascism: the most fearful are the most prone and susceptible.

 

[djpbaltimore]

Regime change in Russia? Get real. Look outside your fishbowl once in awhile.

 

[aphronesis]

Let's hear "real".