World Politics

[May0maniac]

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It's hard to find bigger hypocrites than the German Goverment. They cry about human rights violation in other EU countries and other European countries and at the same time they sell arms to pretty much every single sictatorship on the Arabian Peninsula and even signed a deal to train Saudi army officers in Germany.
The level of hypocrisy is unbearable and distigusting.

you forgot to mention the biggest example of german hypocrisy -- israel. your slip is well justified. the german msm would very rarely dare to fairly address the zionist crimes against humanity. their crimes against the gazans humanity, against the israeli palestians humanity, against the arabs displaced by the illegal settlements etc etc

if germany was concerned with humans rights and fairness, THAT's where they should start.

b/c germany is milked, abused, intimidated, shamed and otherwise blackmailed by the modern zionist racists, they keep the biggest hypocrisy quiet. not that some timid german officials from time to time dont talk (like the last week fm visiting israel), but overall, big germany is absolutely cowed by a noisy bunch of 'anti-Semitism fighters'.

@kingr
so much for the big german media slautering the govt for the israeli human rights crimes

@brullnux
agree. hypocrisy is an inherent quality of most politician. but it was not invented in the west. the difference btwn the merkel/may/trump hypocrisy and say the putin veriety is that he isn't claiming a value SUPERIORITY.

neither do the chinese for that matter. think about it !

Yes, but I didn't want to open that can of worms, but at least in that chase their reasoningg isn't just driven by sheer greed, it's more complicated and comes with a guilt complex and the difficult and comlicated relationship that modern Germany has with Israel.

 

[kingjr]

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@kingr
so much for the big german media slautering the govt for the israeli human rights crimes

Did you understand what I meant to say?

 

[python]

Re: Re:

It's hard to find bigger hypocrites than the German Goverment. They cry about human rights violation in other EU countries and other European countries and at the same time they sell arms to pretty much every single sictatorship on the Arabian Peninsula and even signed a deal to train Saudi army officers in Germany.
The level of hypocrisy is unbearable and distigusting.

you forgot to mention the biggest example of german hypocrisy -- israel. your slip is well justified. the german msm would very rarely dare to fairly address the zionist crimes against humanity. their crimes against the gazans humanity, against the israeli palestians humanity, against the arabs displaced by the illegal settlements etc etc

if germany was concerned with humans rights and fairness, THAT's where they should start.

b/c germany is milked, abused, intimidated, shamed and otherwise blackmailed by the modern zionist racists, they keep the biggest hypocrisy quiet. not that some timid german officials from time to time dont talk (like the last week fm visiting israel), but overall, big germany is absolutely cowed by a noisy bunch of 'anti-Semitism fighters'.

@kingr
so much for the big german media slautering the govt for the israeli human rights crimes

@brullnux
agree. hypocrisy is an inherent quality of most politician. but it was not invented in the west. the difference btwn the merkel/may/trump hypocrisy and say the putin veriety is that he isn't claiming a value SUPERIORITY.

neither do the chinese for that matter. think about it !

Yes, but I didn't want to open that can of worms, but at least in that chase their reasoningg isn't just driven by sheer greed, it's more complicated and comes with a guilt complex and the difficult and comlicated relationship that modern Germany has with Israel.

sort of understand your point, yet flatly reject it...

the nazi germany had been responsible for far more numerous crimes against humanity wrt poland, russia etc ...millions of non-jewish victims had been murdered by the nazis.

why the the guilt complex ain't constraining the modern german state from lecturing those victims on human rights ?

i dont have an answer, but suspect it has nothing to do with greed or lack of thereof.

hypocrisy on human rights is hypocrisy regardless of what drives it. the zionists oppressing defenseless palestians
should concern every german as they are concerned for the polish, hungarian, russian etc human rights.

having balls and intellectual honesty - and acting appropriately - seems not in the modern german political model.

too bad. b/c with brexit and the french instability many europeans would love to see germany as a counterweight to american opportunism.

 

[BullsFan22]

Re: Re:

It's hard to find bigger hypocrites than the German Goverment. They cry about human rights violation in other EU countries and other European countries and at the same time they sell arms to pretty much every single sictatorship on the Arabian Peninsula and even signed a deal to train Saudi army officers in Germany.
The level of hypocrisy is unbearable and distigusting.

you forgot to mention the biggest example of german hypocrisy -- israel. your slip is well justified. the german msm would very rarely dare to fairly address the zionist crimes against humanity. their crimes against the gazans humanity, against the israeli palestians humanity, against the arabs displaced by the illegal settlements etc etc

if germany was concerned with humans rights and fairness, THAT's where they should start.

b/c germany is milked, abused, intimidated, shamed and otherwise blackmailed by the modern zionist racists, they keep the biggest hypocrisy quiet. not that some timid german officials from time to time dont talk (like the last week fm visiting israel), but overall, big germany is absolutely cowed by a noisy bunch of 'anti-Semitism fighters'.

@kingr
so much for the big german media slautering the govt for the israeli human rights crimes

@brullnux
agree. hypocrisy is an inherent quality of most politician. but it was not invented in the west. the difference btwn the merkel/may/trump hypocrisy and say the putin veriety is that he isn't claiming a value SUPERIORITY.

neither do the chinese for that matter. think about it !

Yes, but I didn't want to open that can of worms, but at least in that chase their reasoningg isn't just driven by sheer greed, it's more complicated and comes with a guilt complex and the difficult and comlicated relationship that modern Germany has with Israel.

sort of understand your point, yet flatly reject it...

the nazi germany had been responsible for far more numerous crimes against humanity wrt poland, russia etc ...millions of non-jewish victims had been murdered by the nazis.

why the the guilt complex ain't constraining the modern german state from lecturing those victims on human rights ?

i dont have an answer, but suspect it has nothing to do with greed or lack of thereof.

hypocrisy on human rights is hypocrisy regardless of what drives it. the zionists oppressing defenseless palestians
should concern every german as they are concerned for the polish, hungarian, russian etc human rights.

having balls and intellectual honesty - and acting appropriately - seems not in the modern german political model.

too bad. b/c with brexit and the french instability many europeans would love to see germany as a counterweight to american opportunism.

The thing about the Nazi's was that they had an extensive 'kill list.' It was Jews, it was Slavs, Gypsies, people of color, Communists, Gays, disabled people, and when push came to shove, they were ready to invade those that they didn't see much of a threat to their 'purity.' I just feel disgust in my mouth as I write this. I am just thankful that WWII didn't bring to the extinction of any of the targeted groups and that in the the end of the world didn't happen. I hope WWIII doesn't start and cooler heads prevail, but I tell you what, I sick to my stomach about the elites that are driving for war.

 

[Dan2016]

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@Dan: I replied to your claims, and my parallel was in keeping with the previous topic, to which some seem to take grave offence for some reason. I think I am correct, there are many similarities - very likely because much of it is emotive, with pre-defined stances that are connected to ideology. Call that red herring all you will, it's something that has struck me following the debates here. The parallel, if you wish, is not just with climate change debate - that's just an example - but with any debate in which emotion and ideology takes the fore-front. If you see the way any news coming from the 'main stream media' (however that is defined) is brushed away by some for no other reason than that it is main stream, *that* is no serious discussion.

J, with respect, you seem to be bogged down with attributing an emotional and ideological aspect re Syria discussion. Whether you're correct or not, it's a separate discussion and a logical fallacy. Your suggestions of bias, 'Syrian wrong-doing deniers', and climate change 'denier' parallels...these just serve to divert - they are red herrings.

This is a specific case regarding evidence in Syria. Postol's analysis raises serious questions; and we've been here before in 2013 (see Hersh), Iraqi WMD's etc etc etc etc. A definitive conclusion either way is premature - I think that's the only non-biased, intellectually justified position to take on this specific issue. MSM has proven unreliable on this specific issue. Let's stick to the specifics. Innocent people died from the US missile strikes. Evidence matters. If you have a strong evidence-based argument Assad did it I'd be genuinely interested to see it.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/18/nyt-mocks-skepticism-on-syria-sarin-claims/

To discredit any doubters, Rutenberg associated them with one of the wackier conspiracy theories of radio personality Alex Jones, another version of the Times’ recent troubling reliance on McCarthyistic logical fallacies, not only applying guilt by association but refuting reasonable skepticism (on Syrian gas attacks) by tying it to someone who in an entirely different (climate change) context expressed unreasonable skepticism.

My additions in parentheses.

#parenthesisrhetoric

 

[BullsFan22]

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Where's the proof that Syria used gas on? Why would Assad use gas when he is winning and gaining areas that were controlled by ISIS back into Syrian government control?

There are strong indications that you wouldn't consider as such - we both know that. You know, Lügenpresse and all that. The second question is intruiging, but looking into possible motivation for an attack with very little information is not a very good starting point for eliminating possibilities. There's an Israeli saying that goes "The general was so stupid even the other generals noticed". Meaning that in army matters, stupidity is never far away. It could have been stupidity, miscalculation, testing the waters, or who knows. What we know is that Assad's regime very likely have access to both chemical weapons and the way of delivery. What we also know is that both the Russian and Assad's own attribution of the attack was clumsy at best, moronic at worst. The alternatives for the chemical weapons attack seem much more unlikely, given the absence of jet fighter/helicopter capability of rebel groups and the need for a deep-running false flag operation (but who doesn't love a conspiracy in the times eh?).

That's great but you didn't answer the question.

I actually answered both of your questions.

....then there is the use of that there "could" word....which leads us to the second bolded bit, which slightly paraphrased easily reads as the following ( because there already is proof of this via the East Ghouta incident )....and please note the lack of need to use weasel terms like "very likely".....

What we know is that ISIS has access to both chemical weapons and the way of delivery.

'Likely' and other such terminology refers to probabilities. There is no absolute certainty in this, with the limited knowledge we have. To the bolded, not very... likely. There are only few sources that claim this.

No you didn't. You didn't give any evidence.

 

[BullsFan22]

Re: Re:

It's hard to find bigger hypocrites than the German Goverment. They cry about human rights violation in other EU countries and other European countries and at the same time they sell arms to pretty much every single sictatorship on the Arabian Peninsula and even signed a deal to train Saudi army officers in Germany.
The level of hypocrisy is unbearable and distigusting.

you forgot to mention the biggest example of german hypocrisy -- israel. your slip is well justified. the german msm would very rarely dare to fairly address the zionist crimes against humanity. their crimes against the gazans humanity, against the israeli palestians humanity, against the arabs displaced by the illegal settlements etc etc

if germany was concerned with humans rights and fairness, THAT's where they should start.

b/c germany is milked, abused, intimidated, shamed and otherwise blackmailed by the modern zionist racists, they keep the biggest hypocrisy quiet. not that some timid german officials from time to time dont talk (like the last week fm visiting israel), but overall, big germany is absolutely cowed by a noisy bunch of 'anti-Semitism fighters'.

@kingr
so much for the big german media slautering the govt for the israeli human rights crimes

@brullnux
agree. hypocrisy is an inherent quality of most politician. but it was not invented in the west. the difference btwn the merkel/may/trump hypocrisy and say the putin veriety is that he isn't claiming a value SUPERIORITY.

neither do the chinese for that matter. think about it !

Yes, but I didn't want to open that can of worms, but at least in that chase their reasoningg isn't just driven by sheer greed, it's more complicated and comes with a guilt complex and the difficult and comlicated relationship that modern Germany has with Israel.

sort of understand your point, yet flatly reject it...

the nazi germany had been responsible for far more numerous crimes against humanity wrt poland, russia etc ...millions of non-jewish victims had been murdered by the nazis.

why the the guilt complex ain't constraining the modern german state from lecturing those victims on human rights ?

i dont have an answer, but suspect it has nothing to do with greed or lack of thereof.

hypocrisy on human rights is hypocrisy regardless of what drives it. the zionists oppressing defenseless palestians
should concern every german as they are concerned for the polish, hungarian, russian etc human rights.

having balls and intellectual honesty - and acting appropriately - seems not in the modern german political model.

too bad. b/c with brexit and the french instability many europeans would love to see germany as a counterweight to american opportunism.

The thing about the Nazi's was that they had an extensive 'kill list.' It was Jews, it was Slavs, Gypsies, people of color, Communists, Gays, disabled people, and when push came to shove, they were ready to invade those that they didn't see much of a threat to their 'purity.' I just feel disgust in my mouth as I write this. I am just thankful that WWII didn't bring to the extinction of any of the targeted groups and that in the the end of the world didn't happen. I hope WWIII doesn't start and cooler heads prevail, but I tell you what, I sick to my stomach about the elites that are driving for war.

To add to my post, I think this is one of the biggest reasons why Germany has taken in so many refugees and economic migrants in the past two years: because they are still dogged by WWI and especially WWII and the Holocaust that they feel they need to show they are moving away from the Nazi years, otherwise they'd be scrutinized to no end.

 

[Brullnux]

Add in the fact germany needs immigrants asap for their aging population

 

[blutto]

....file under checkers vs chess....

"If You Take East-Syria, I'll Take That Yemeni Port"

By Moon Of Alabama

Will the U.S. leave Syria if doing so prevents a Russian fleet in Yemen?

The question seems weird but if Russia succeeds with its negotiations in Yemen it will soon have to be asked.

A U.S. neoconservative outlet recently published an interesting but mostly unsourced bit about Yemen:

Russia is mediating negotiations for a political solution to the Yemen conflict outside of UN channels as a means to secure naval bases in Yemen. Russia is pursuing political negotiations with the UAE and former Yemeni president Ali Abdullah Saleh by beginning to discuss the future consensus Yemeni government. Saleh’s support for the Houthis is critical for the al Houthi-Saleh bloc to retain its influence across northern and central Yemen. The UAE may see this settlement as a way to halt the expansion of Iran’s influence in Yemen and to limit bearing further costs associated with the Yemeni war. Saleh previously expressed willingness to grant Russia military basing rights in Yemen. This basing would allow Russia to project power into one of the world’s busiest shipping lanes in the Red Sea and the Bab al Mandab strait, a global maritime chokepoint.

Back in August 2016 the former Yemeni president Saleh had indeed made an offer to Russia:

"In the fight against terrorism we reach out and offer all facilities. Our airports, our ports... We are ready to provide this to the Russian Federation," Saleh said in an interview in Sanaa.

No one (but Russia?) took Saleh serious at that time. He was not, and is not, in a position to achieve control over Aden in southern Yemen nor any other relevant Yemeni port.

I also doubted the recent report. Yes, until the early 1990s the Soviet Union had bases in southern Yemen and thousands of military advisers and trainers worked in the country. But Russia currently does not have the naval resources, nor the immediate interest, to open a new base in the area. Or so I thought.

But a well-informed source in Yemen dispelled my doubts. It confirmed the report. Russia is negotiating with the UAE, the Houthi/Saleh alliance and the various southern groups in Yemen over a peace deal and has been doing so for the last six month. The deal would include Russian naval basing rights in Aden

....file under when you sleep with dawgs you risk getting fleas , you also risk getting ticks, which is much more worser.....

The red lights must be flashing at CENTCOM, the Pentagon and the National Security Council. For the last twenty-five years the Arab Sea, the Gulf of Aden and the Red Sea were largely U.S. controlled waters. That China recently opened an "anti-piracy" base in Djibouti has already led to concerns. Now the Russians are coming!!!

The Saudi war on Yemen, actively supported by the U.S., is going nowhere. The Saudis are daily losing soldiers to Yemeni incursions (vid) into south Saudi Arabia. There is no chance that Saudi supported forces will take the Houthi/Saleh controlled northern Yemen and the capital Sanaa. The United Arab Emirates has supported the Saudi war with capable forces. But the UAE only wants Aden port and its nearby oil-loading facilities for its DP World port management business. The Saudis want the ports as outlets for their oil exports away from their Persian Gulf ports that Iran could easily disable. But they also want to control all of Yemen.

The Saudis hired Al-Qaeda in Yemen to fight as their proxy force. But neither the U.S. nor the UAE agree to that ploy. UAE forces in Yemen were attacked by AQ. The U.S. fears AQ in Yemen as a potential source of international attacks. Since the beginning of the year the U.S. and UAE special forces have raided or bombed a number of Al-Qaeda concentration in Yemen. The Saudis were surprised but could hardly protest. Al-Qaeda was their last ace in the game. They have lost it

.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46966.htm

Cheers

 

[Jagartrott]

Re: Re:

....you really gotta crawl out of your echo chamber every once in a while and take a breath of fresh air...it may clear your head and you might be able to get something right...pounding the company line is pretty much a stultifying dead end, as your posting proves over and over again....

....just sayin' eh...

...to the bolded...

Intervention by Air

Another false assumption pervading the Western accounts on this and other chemical incidents in Syria is that only the Syrian government and its Russian allies have control of the skies. That is clearly not true. Various military forces, including those of the U.S. and its allies, as well as Israel and – to some degree – the rebels have air capabilities in Syria.

According to Syrian accounts, the rebels have captured some government helicopters and apparently used one in what United Nations investigators were told by multiple eyewitnesses was a staged chemical-weapons attack in 2014 with the goal of sticking the blame on the Syrian regime

What 'company line'?
Unspecified 'Syrian accounts' and 'eye-witnesses' can be called in to claim anything, as you well know. If you want to be critical, be critical to *every* source.

No you didn't. You didn't give any evidence.

Erm, I said there is nothing out there that can be regarded as definite evidence. See also post above. I get it people want to deal in absolutes, but that is not available. Only likelihoods. Even though apparently that's weasly.

J, with respect, you seem to be bogged down with attributing an emotional and ideological aspect re Syria discussion. Whether you're correct or not, it's a separate discussion and a logical fallacy. Your suggestions of bias, 'Syrian wrong-doing deniers', and climate change 'denier' parallels...these just serve to divert - they are red herrings.

This is a specific case regarding evidence in Syria. Postol's analysis raises serious questions; and we've been here before in 2013 (see Hersh), Iraqi WMD's etc etc etc etc. A definitive conclusion either way is premature - I think that's the only non-biased, intellectually justified position to take on this specific issue. MSM has proven unreliable on this specific issue. Let's stick to the specifics. Innocent people died from the US missile strikes. Evidence matters. If you have a strong evidence-based argument Assad did it I'd be genuinely interested to see it.

I agree there is no evidence for definitive conclusions in the sense of 100% sure. Hence my arguing in probabilities. From what I've read, also from correspondents that have often been very critical about earlier interventions, there seems to be much more likeliness that the chemical attack was by the Syrian regime than otherwise. Also, for me, 'the MSM' does not exist. It's easy to lump news outlets into categories and then discredit them, but it's not intellectually honest. That is one of the issues with ideologically-poisened arguments: often the critical thinking goes only one way: one is hyper-critical of sources counter to the position, but very uncritical to sources that support the own position.

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

....you really gotta crawl out of your echo chamber every once in a while and take a breath of fresh air...it may clear your head and you might be able to get something right...pounding the company line is pretty much a stultifying dead end, as your posting proves over and over again....

....just sayin' eh...

...to the bolded...

Intervention by Air

Another false assumption pervading the Western accounts on this and other chemical incidents in Syria is that only the Syrian government and its Russian allies have control of the skies. That is clearly not true. Various military forces, including those of the U.S. and its allies, as well as Israel and – to some degree – the rebels have air capabilities in Syria.

According to Syrian accounts, the rebels have captured some government helicopters and apparently used one in what United Nations investigators were told by multiple eyewitnesses was a staged chemical-weapons attack in 2014 with the goal of sticking the blame on the Syrian regime

.

What 'company line'?
Unspecified 'Syrian accounts' and 'eye-witnesses' can be called in to claim anything, as you well know. If you want to be critical, be critical to *every* source.

....I am....so what is your point ?....

Cheers

 

[Jagartrott]

OK, I'll take the bait. Why do you consider those vague sources reliable?

 

[blutto]

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OK, I'll take the bait. Why do you consider those vague sources reliable?

....I don't necessarily find any source ultimately reliable....I do however firmly believe that 9x5=42....that being said they are all an integral parts of the contrast state....

Cheers

....edit...wondering which sources in my post did you find vague ?....the one's who say that various countries have access to Syrian airspace other than the Syrians and Russians....or the ones that say ISIS has access to helicopters ?.....

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Whats wrong with a Defense system?

http://www.france24.com/en/20170502-china-demands-halt-us-missile-shield-skorea

Guess its getting clear now that a solution is getting further away.

 

[Jagartrott]

Re: Re:

OK, I'll take the bait. Why do you consider those vague sources reliable?

....I don't necessarily find any source ultimately reliable....I do however firmly believe that 9x5=42....that being said they are all an integral parts of the contrast state....

Cheers

....edit...wondering which sources in my post did you find vague ?....the one's who say that various countries have access to Syrian airspace other than the Syrians and Russians....or the ones that say ISIS has access to helicopters ?.....

I think almost no-one disputes the access of Americans and other nations. But any of the rebel groups having access to helicopters, let alone fighter jets - that's a different thing altogether. Like I said, even reporters very critical about Western involvement in Syria state that it is very likely the chemical weapons were fired by the Assad regime. For example, Patrick Cockburn (author of the piece "Why Everything You've Read About Syria and Iraq Could be Wrong", published in December), had this to say:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-no-choice-balance-power-bashar-a7673051.html

 

[python]

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Whats wrong with a Defense system?

http://www.france24.com/en/20170502-china-demands-halt-us-missile-shield-skorea

Guess its getting clear now that a solution is getting further away.

the solution was never near as the thaad had ALWAYS BEEN THE CHINESE BARGAINing CHIP. They flat down rejected it, while suggesting its withdrawal in exchange for the norkors stopping the nuclear tests...last time it was repeated at the unsc meeting 2d ago.

Very obviouslh the us cant just comply with the chinese demand for the 'my big dijk is bigger' reason. But the chinese are mainly working to pressure the sokors into expelling the thaads...as i posted recently, the incoming new prez is very much against the thaad.

And of course, if the deployment stays, china has several spoiler options...from covertly looking away at more tests to actually leaking technology...

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

OK, I'll take the bait. Why do you consider those vague sources reliable?

....I don't necessarily find any source ultimately reliable....I do however firmly believe that 9x5=42....that being said they are all an integral parts of the contrast state....

Cheers

....edit...wondering which sources in my post did you find vague ?....the one's who say that various countries have access to Syrian airspace other than the Syrians and Russians....or the ones that say ISIS has access to helicopters ?.....

I think almost no-one disputes the access of Americans and other nations. But any of the rebel groups having access to helicopters, let alone fighter jets - that's a different thing altogether. Like I said, even reporters very critical about Western involvement in Syria state that it is very likely the chemical weapons were fired by the Assad regime. For example, Patrick Cockburn (author of the piece "Why Everything You've Read About Syria and Iraq Could be Wrong", published in December), had this to say:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-no-choice-balance-power-bashar-a7673051.html

...do note Patrick Cockburn is only an n of 1....though nice to see you wandering off the company estate a bit....

Cheers

...edit....can't have helicopters ?....they have used tanks and other heavy duty hardware so why not some flying thingees ....or were they not in the script you were given...?....

World News
U.S. Fighter Jocks Pray The ‘ISIS Air Force’ Rumors Are True
Syrian rebels say ISIS now has a few aircraft. American pilots can’t wait to shoot the things down

.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/21/u-s-fighter-jocks-pray-the-isis-air-force-rumors-are-true

....like even your "official" source in pajamas talks about it....

ISIS has reportedly taken to the air in captured Syrian Air Force fighter jets over Al-Jarrah Airport just outside Aleppo and ex-Iraqi Air Force fighter pilots are said to be at the controls. Not only have these pilots christened ISIS's entry into the air combat arena, but these Iraqi turned ISIS jet jocks are said to be in the process of training new pilots for the Islamic State.

Reuters reports that Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, the watchdog group that has been closely monitoring activities around war-torn Aleppo, claims that eye witnesses corroborated their intelligence, seeing the planes take to the air multiple times above an ISIS-commandeered air base.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/isis-reportedly-has-fighter-pilots-flying-migs-over-syr-1647549076

Does ISIS have an airforce? Terrorist 'fighter pilots' are being trained on captured MiGs by Saddam Hussein's ex-air force officers
Witnesses say ISIS are carrying out test flights at an airport near Aleppo
Understood to have captured three Soviet-made jets from Syrian Air Force
They are using former Iraqi Air Force officers to train prospective pilots

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2797167/does-isis-airforce-terrorist-fighter-pilots-trained-captured-migs-saddam-hussein-s-ex-air-force-officers.html#ixzz4fx96QIKd

....and...more on this issue here in a company line approved source...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/17/islamic-state-training-pilots-mig-planes-syria

....and here is a nice comprehensive list...and yeah it includes Migs....

http://uk.businessinsider.com/isis-military-equipment-arsenal-2016/#dshk-1938-machine-gun-25

....you really should wander off the estate a bit more....

 

[BullsFan22]

After reading a little more into Jean-Luc-Melenchon, I am even more bummed he didn't make into the 'final round' of the French election.

Good on him for not blindly getting behind Macron (the French Clinton) and urging his supporters to do the same.

Sure enough, he's been called a Putin stooge as well...

 

[blutto]

After reading a little more into Jean-Luc-Melenchon, I am even more bummed he didn't make into the 'final round' of the French election.

Good on him for not blindly getting behind Macron (the French Clinton) and urging his supporters to do the same.

Sure enough, he's been called a Putin stooge as well...

....on the bright side he is in good company... ....

Cheers

 

[BullsFan22]

After reading a little more into Jean-Luc-Melenchon, I am even more bummed he didn't make into the 'final round' of the French election.

Good on him for not blindly getting behind Macron (the French Clinton) and urging his supporters to do the same.

Sure enough, he's been called a Putin stooge as well...

....on the bright side he is in good company... ....

Cheers

What can I say, all stooges think alike!

 

[python]

thought this was a level-headed and informative article:

As U.S. and China find common ground on North Korea, is Russia the wild card?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-russia-idUSKBN17Z0B7?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

...i would argue though, that putting in the title 'U.S. and China find common ground' instead of the actual 'seeking common ground' is a small editorial spin a western msm cant do without. still, plenty of interesting opinions and facts.

 

[Jagartrott]

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...do note Patrick Cockburn is only an n of 1....though nice to see you wandering off the company estate a bit....

What about his claims in the article, with the background that he *is* very skeptical about Western intervention in Syria? How do you decide what is credible and what is not? This somehow is not?

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

...do note Patrick Cockburn is only an n of 1....though nice to see you wandering off the company estate a bit....

What about his claims in the article, with the background that he *is* very skeptical about Western intervention in Syria? How do you decide what is credible and what is not? This somehow is not?

....ok so we have some claims eh....so why don't we take a close look at them shall we....

....Trump had little option....ok he pointed a finger, stamped his feet, and made a political move that ingratiated him to the company line....was it a cynical ploy ? did he talk himself into a corner where the only option was to put up or shut up or lose face....so far the lean is increasingly toward cynical ploy....read he made a big noise and kicked over a fruit cart, and this after giving the cart owner ample time to remove his fruit to safety....yep chalk that one up to blatantly cynical...

President Donald Trump had little option but to order a missile strike against a Syrian airbase after holding Syria responsible for that poison gas attack on Khan Sheikhoun that killed 80 civilians

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....and the reasoning behind this attack, because at the time of the attack no real third party proof was available, some worn out cliché line about armies and generals....that dear sir is very thin gruel and frankly proves nothing and says even less save fill some column inches with some well written truthiness....

Those who argue that the Syrian armed forces would not have done anything quite so foolish and against their own interests as to launch the strikes, probably underestimate the extent of the stupidity present in all armies. There is an old Israeli military saying, employed about a number of their commanders, which is apposite and says that the general “was so stupid that even the other generals noticed”.

....and finally a kinda sorta description of the incident that forced Trump's hand....and guess what it is? suspected !, not a slam dunk, but fcuking suspected....yeah now there is a reason to shoot off some missiles, killed some innocents, and maybe start WW3 ...

Trump said that Tuesday’s suspected chemical gas attack had changed his attitude towards Assad and developments in Syria.

....I come from this article and running it across the conclusions you draw from it thinking you either didn't read the article carefully or you have a real problem with tea leaves or are just looking for some flotsam to backstop a poor projection.....

....here is a little bit of , you know, advice, word is Cockburn long ago ceased being an investigative reporter and is now a company man padding his retirement fund and using his past to give the company line a patina of respectability....so tip your hat to the man because has done some good stuff but that is pretty well history long gone...

....so bottom line, you should stay in the lab where things are fairly straightforward and simple cause the world outside is really complisticated and doesn't reduce itself to mathematical analysis...it is a world defined thru and thru by radical discontinuities, and where 9x5 really does equal 42....

....have a nice day....and btw for your own sake stop trying to become the second coming of dj, one is quite enough thank you...and to continue down this path is just embarrassing...

Cheers

 

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Also worth noting that Cockburn's incisivenes varies according to where he's publishing. That independent piece was softer and more vague (monied for comfort) than those aimed at other readerships.

 

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Also worth noting that Cockburn's incisivenes varies according to where he's publishing. That independent piece was softer and more vague (monied for comfort) than those aimed at other readerships.

....not to put too fine a point on it but basically a mercenary for hire .....so hardly a source for dependable objective analysis eh.....

Cheers