World Politics

[Lupi33x]

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Seem to be a lot of link posters and copy pasters in this thread with not much independent opinion. Sad that critical thought died out with this generation.

What, like this sort of thing you mean:

speaking of the world breathing easy...

(thanks Obama)

not at all. They're simply self evident images that speak for themselves and I've provided an opinion on the matter already.

Others are posting opinion pieces by others without volunteering opinion.
As usual you're slow on the uptake.

 

[Beech Mtn]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5730113/russia-election-vladimir-putin-election-influence/

RUSSIA said today it has proof Washington has tried to interfere in the country’s upcoming presidential election.

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told a leading Russian news agency the US has tried to destabilise his country ahead of this month's vote.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

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Seem to be a lot of link posters and copy pasters in this thread with not much independent opinion. Sad that critical thought died out with this generation.

Do tell. Is that your well reasoned critique, filled with bon mots?

Sometimes, a well-linked article is worth far more than a wall of text. However, if you are willing to engage, I'm sure any number of us are up to a pithy exchange of thoughtful analysis concerning today's events.

John Swanson

 

[ScienceIsCool]

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not at all. They're simply self evident images that speak for themselves and I've provided an opinion on the matter already.

Others are posting opinion pieces by others without volunteering opinion.
As usual you're slow on the uptake.

How tedious. It doesn't even require an analysis or opinion to see that destroying a progressive, wealthy, peaceful nation is barbarous. "We came, we saw, he died <cackle>" doesn't need any exposition. Photographic summary is just a visual gut-punch to remind everyone what has been lost. There's simply nothing here to debate or philosophize over.

John Swanson

 

[movingtarget]

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5730113/russia-election-vladimir-putin-election-influence/

RUSSIA said today it has proof Washington has tried to interfere in the country’s upcoming presidential election.

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told a leading Russian news agency the US has tried to destabilise his country ahead of this month's vote.

Well that made me smile.

 

[Lupi33x]

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not at all. They're simply self evident images that speak for themselves and I've provided an opinion on the matter already.

Others are posting opinion pieces by others without volunteering opinion.
As usual you're slow on the uptake.

How tedious. It doesn't even require an analysis or opinion to see that destroying a progressive, wealthy, peaceful nation is barbarous. "We came, we saw, he died <cackle>" doesn't need any exposition. Photographic summary is just a visual gut-punch to remind everyone what has been lost. There's simply nothing here to debate or philosophize over.

John Swanson

If you had been following you might have realised the context of that post to prior discussion

 

[Lupi33x]

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5730113/russia-election-vladimir-putin-election-influence/

RUSSIA said today it has proof Washington has tried to interfere in the country’s upcoming presidential election.

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told a leading Russian news agency the US has tried to destabilise his country ahead of this month's vote.

Well that made me smile.

Washington has interfered in Russian elections before. Why would this be a surprise?

 

[macbindle]

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not at all. They're simply self evident images that speak for themselves and I've provided an opinion on the matter already.

Others are posting opinion pieces by others without volunteering opinion.
As usual you're slow on the uptake.

How tedious. It doesn't even require an analysis or opinion to see that destroying a progressive, wealthy, peaceful nation is barbarous. "We came, we saw, he died <cackle>" doesn't need any exposition. Photographic summary is just a visual gut-punch to remind everyone what has been lost. There's simply nothing here to debate or philosophize over.

John Swanson

I disagree. The sort of photomontage presented by Lupi33x attempts to present complex situations as having a simple cause. In Lupi33x's case he is trying to present the devastation caused by civil wars as the fault of a previous US president...as if the citizens of these countries are not in some way agents of their own demise, and that decades of local history is somehow irrelevant. It is a facile analysis, but even more so in that Lupi33x is using it in his zero-sum game that the corollary of Obama being bad is that Trump is good.

 

[Lupi33x]

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not at all. They're simply self evident images that speak for themselves and I've provided an opinion on the matter already.

Others are posting opinion pieces by others without volunteering opinion.
As usual you're slow on the uptake.

How tedious. It doesn't even require an analysis or opinion to see that destroying a progressive, wealthy, peaceful nation is barbarous. "We came, we saw, he died <cackle>" doesn't need any exposition. Photographic summary is just a visual gut-punch to remind everyone what has been lost. There's simply nothing here to debate or philosophize over.

John Swanson

I disagree. The sort of photomontage presented by Lupi33x attempts to present complex situations as having a simple cause. In Lupi33x's case he is trying to present the devastation caused by civil wars as the fault of a previous US president...as if the citizens of these countries are not in some way agents of their own demise, and that decades of local history is somehow irrelevant. It is a facile analysis, but even more so in that Lupi33x is using it in his zero-sum game that the corollary of Obama being bad is that Trump is good.

Civil war? Do you realise how many foreign insurgents it took to get the Syria war happening?
Do you realise what happened in Libya? It seems not.

You are the one making the Obama bad Trump good argument. All I'm doing is highlighting the hypocrisy that prevails around here.

 

[aphronesis]

Which is hypocrisy is that? Maybe you can find some posts that illustrate your point(s). Or even articulate them yourself, rather than ranting and blanket, defensive accusations.

 

[Lupi33x]

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Which is hypocrisy is that? Maybe you can find some posts that illustrate your point(s). Or even articulate them yourself, rather than ranting and blanket, defensive accusations.

defensive accusations? Look at the post I responded to which named me on several occasions with multiple accusations.

 

[macbindle]

So....you posted some photos.

And your point is?

 

[Lupi33x]

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So....you posted some photos.

And your point is?

try engaging your brain - you failed the other test too
more effort required

 

[aphronesis]

Lupi, this thread is not about you, mac’s brain or unglossed links. It’s about politics. You stated that there is prevalent political hypocrisy in this and the US thread. Show it then. Everyone agrees that the US has a major role in the destruction of the Middle East. Please try a little harder if you have something you want to say.

 

[Lupi33x]

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Lupi, this thread is not about you, mac’s brain or unglossed links. It’s about politics. You stated that there is prevalent political hypocrisy in this and the US thread. Show it then. Everyone agrees that the US has a major role in the destruction of the Middle East. Please try a little harder if you have something you want to say.

You and others seem to be obsessed with Trump when he's a non factor here. Where is the talk of private interests and common players across administrations? You love Obama and hate Trump for what Obama started.
Perhaps its time to look past your own prejudices.

At least Trump is calling out the failed policy in Iraq, Libya and Syria which lead to the widespread destruction of all 3 countries and not to mention the refugee crisis which is destroying Europe.

 

[aphronesis]

Again, find a single post of mine that substantiates anything you’re saying.

You won’t.

Find a post of mine that exemplifies these so-called prejudices.

Stop being defensive about what you perceive (wrongly) as a group mentality and say what you want to say. Leave others out of it unless you can find something in their post to disagree with.

You’re playing the US two party game (badly, which takes some effort), that’s not really where these discussions are.

 

[python]

my own post from a few dasy back where i tried to sort out what's going on in east ghouta appears getting some clarity...

Russia offers rebels safe passage out of eastern Ghouta
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-ghouta-russia/russia-offers-rebels-safe-passage-out-of-eastern-ghouta-idUSKCN1GI0PE?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

if the reuters article is based on verifiable facts, for which i haven't found an alternative YET, it appears that the assad is out-chessing the opposition using the same winning recipe they tied in aleppo. ..

there is one substantial difference though it seems which may make the idea of the rebels safe passage dead on arrival....while turkey was a single sponsor of the aleppo 'free syrian army', there is no single clearly defined sponsor of the 3 juhadi groups in east ghouta. among the trapped jihadist the al quaeda spinoff group is not likely to accept anything but the allah will

regardless, the local observers claim that assad troops had chopped off 1/3 of the territory of east ghouta the rebels held a week ago...

 

[Robert5091]

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/kim-jong-un-north-korea-nuclear/2018/03/06/id/846979/

NKorea Promises Moratorium on Nuclear Weapons if US Agrees to Talks

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has agreed to hold a landmark summit meeting with South Korea's president next month and impose a moratorium on nuclear and missile tests if his country holds talks with the United States, a senior South Korean official said Tuesday.

Chung Eui-yong, South Korea's presidential national security director, said the two Koreas agreed to hold their third-ever summit at a tense border village in late April. He also said the leaders will establish a "hotline" communication channel to lower military tensions, and would speak together before the planned summit.

Chung led a 10-member South Korean delegation that met with Kim during a two-day visit to Pyongyang, North Korea's capital. They returned on Tuesday.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

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Lupi, this thread is not about you, mac’s brain or unglossed links. It’s about politics. You stated that there is prevalent political hypocrisy in this and the US thread. Show it then. Everyone agrees that the US has a major role in the destruction of the Middle East. Please try a little harder if you have something you want to say.

You and others seem to be obsessed with Trump when he's a non factor here. Where is the talk of private interests and common players across administrations? You love Obama and hate Trump for what Obama started.
Perhaps its time to look past your own prejudices.

At least Trump is calling out the failed policy in Iraq, Libya and Syria which lead to the widespread destruction of all 3 countries and not to mention the refugee crisis which is destroying Europe.

And who caused that(hint, hint, it wasn't Obama and Clinton)...?? And yes, GB2, the dumb invasion of Iraq early 2000s...which led, after the marginalization of the Sunnis by Bush's puppet government, directly to the 'Arab' spring and the formation of ISIS..I know you want to blame the scary 'black man and woman' but you are entitled to your opinion but not entittled to your own 'facts'..

Now we have a maniac at the helm, your boy adolf, rattling his saber in his little hands about North Korea...

How was your little vacation?? :lol:

 

[Beech Mtn]

 

[python]

..i got few moments to reflect on some old news, i mean the last weak news...

among the more significant was the chinese communist party decision to allow the current china leader to remain the leader for life. the 1st thought was, well, china is officially still a communist state and as such they would be expected to resort to what the western value system considers a total no-no.

the 2nd thought was WHY there was no protest, much less a wide outrage in the west's political and print circles about violating one of the cherished western democratic principles :Question: moreover, the president of the country that appointed itself the word-wide guardian of freedom and democracy praised the chinese decision

wtf is going on with our cherished democratic values ? are they applicable only when the object isn't the main trading partner ? or the hypocrisy of applying the absolute democratic values is limited to the countries the us considers easy to attack or unable to kick back hard ?

i have no idea except i learned to believe the western democratic values are a chump change of geopolitics or, more accurately, the tool of political midgets of all kinds, not just in the west.

 

[djpbaltimore]

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..i got few moments to reflect on some old news, i mean the last weak news...

among the more significant was the chinese communist party decision to allow the current china leader to remain the leader for life. the 1st thought was, well, china is officially still a communist state and as such they would be expected to resort to what the western value system considers a total no-no.

the 2nd thought was WHY there was no protest, much less a wide outrage in the west's political and print circles about violating one of the cherished western democratic principles :Question: moreover, the president of the country that appointed itself the word-wide guardian of freedom and democracy praised the chinese decision

wtf is going on with our cherished democratic values ? are they applicable only when the object isn't the main trading partner ? or the hypocrisy of applying the absolute democratic values is limited to the countries the us considers easy to attack or unable to kick back hard ?

i have no idea except i learned to believe the western democratic values are a chump change of geopolitics or, more accurately, the tool of political midgets of all kinds, not just in the west.

If you find that development surprising, I have a bridge in NY that I am looking to sell that might interest you as well.

 

[python]

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..i got few moments to reflect on some old news, i mean the last weak news...

among the more significant was the chinese communist party decision to allow the current china leader to remain the leader for life. the 1st thought was, well, china is officially still a communist state and as such they would be expected to resort to what the western value system considers a total no-no.

the 2nd thought was WHY there was no protest, much less a wide outrage in the west's political and print circles about violating one of the cherished western democratic principles :Question: moreover, the president of the country that appointed itself the word-wide guardian of freedom and democracy praised the chinese decision

wtf is going on with our cherished democratic values ? are they applicable only when the object isn't the main trading partner ? or the hypocrisy of applying the absolute democratic values is limited to the countries the us considers easy to attack or unable to kick back hard ?

i have no idea except i learned to believe the western democratic values are a chump change of geopolitics or, more accurately, the tool of political midgets of all kinds, not just in the west.

If you find that development surprising, I have a bridge in NY that I am looking to sell that might interest you as well.

what i find NOT surprising is a partisant zealot like you still unable to look beyond the hated president most consider a clown not worth much emotion. also hardly surprising how a zealot focused on a little part of a post that mentioned the object of his hatred only in passing.

 

[djpbaltimore]

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what i find NOT surprising is a partisant zealot like you still unable to look beyond the hated president most consider a clown not worth much emotion. also hardly surprising how a zealot focused on a little part of a post that mentioned the object of his hatred only in passing.

So.... you bring up the president in this thread and it is my fault that I responded to your specious analysis. Oh-kayyy........

Trump has a long history of supporting autocratic rulers, from Russia, to Egypt, to Turkey, to the Philippines. Wannabe autocrat <3 real autocrats. News at 11.

 

[aphronesis]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/opinion/across-the-globe-a-growing-disillusionment-with-democracy.html?referer=https://www.google.com/