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Nah. You're more clever than that. A-234 is normally a liquid, which means any contact would be of lethal toxicity. That leaves the only possibility being an aerosolized method of application which would have contaminated a huge range of surfaces including all the Skripal's clothing.
The obvious implication is that even if the dose of A-234 was so small that it wasn't lethal, contamination would have been everywhere including on all of the first responders. But a singular policeman that was ancillary to the response was the only casualty. Why?
Okay, so now the questions. Why was there a considerable amount of A-234 in the blood sample that was provided weeks after the event, but without the following logical consequences?
- Delayed onset of symptoms
- Non-lethality
Also:
- Presence of BZ
- Lack of suspects, let alone a proposed method of synthesizing within the UK or a method of smuggling
- Lack of contamination
- Purpose or reason for admixture of AChE inhibitor and anti-cholinergic compunds
- Explanation of why Porton Down missed the BZ
- Lack of BZ contamination at the crime scene
- Where are the Skripals
Let's face it, the facts fit BZ poisoning. Subjects found incapacitated hours after exposure with no lethality. First responders not affected. Trace amounts of BZ in blood samples weeks after exposure. Now let's talk about the only ones who have outright lied about any of this...
Syria gas attack: It was both staged and did not occur. White helmets waited until a SAAF attack on Duma and did two things. They gathered bodies in an apartment building and pretended they were gas victims, which they filmed. Obviously not true because people can be seen wandering around the scene without protection. The second is that two Duma emergency doctors are on record that people burst into their ward yelling about a gas attack while doctors were responding to victims of the bombing attack, most of whom were suffering smoke and dust inhalation. The intruders responded by filming the chaos that ensued. Eff links. They're everywhere and I don't fool myself thinking anyone will look. White helmets are UK funded by the way.
John Swanson
Merckx index said:ScienceIsCool said:So why didn't the attending nurse get sick even though she was in close contact?
It's a chemical, not bacteria or virus. It's not contagious once it's in the body.
Why did it takes hours instead of seconds to fall ill?
If it was novichok, they could have picked up traces of it, apparently at their home, which gradually worked it's way into their system. Or if you want to get a little wild, there was both novichok and BZ, and the two agents cancelled each other out. Nerve agents are generally AChE inhibitors, whereas BZ is an anti-cholinergic. IOW, nerve agents lead to an excess of acetylcholine, while BZ results in a deficit. In fact, BZ's effects are much like those of atropine, which is often used to treat nerve agent poisoning.
Why did they recover and not die?
AChE bound to nerve agent is gradually degraded and replaced by unbound enzyme. Generally speaking, if you don't die fairly quickly, you have a good chance of recovering.
By the way, even if it was BZ, that doesn't somehow prove it was a Western hoax. The agent has been around a long time, other countries have probably used it. Some even think the Russians used it back in 2003 during the theater siege. It's used to incapacitate, not to kill, but since its effects are somewhat unpredictable (think LSD on steroids), it hasn't been thought to be useful in war. It might be the kind of drug you would use to make some former spy you didn't like suffer, though.
While we're on this subject, did the Russians ever decide whether there was no gas attack in Syria, or there was, but it was perpetrated by the British? And are they really sure that two-thirds of the missiles were shot down?
Nah. You're more clever than that. A-234 is normally a liquid, which means any contact would be of lethal toxicity. That leaves the only possibility being an aerosolized method of application which would have contaminated a huge range of surfaces including all the Skripal's clothing.
The obvious implication is that even if the dose of A-234 was so small that it wasn't lethal, contamination would have been everywhere including on all of the first responders. But a singular policeman that was ancillary to the response was the only casualty. Why?
Okay, so now the questions. Why was there a considerable amount of A-234 in the blood sample that was provided weeks after the event, but without the following logical consequences?
- Delayed onset of symptoms
- Non-lethality
Also:
- Presence of BZ
- Lack of suspects, let alone a proposed method of synthesizing within the UK or a method of smuggling
- Lack of contamination
- Purpose or reason for admixture of AChE inhibitor and anti-cholinergic compunds
- Explanation of why Porton Down missed the BZ
- Lack of BZ contamination at the crime scene
- Where are the Skripals
Let's face it, the facts fit BZ poisoning. Subjects found incapacitated hours after exposure with no lethality. First responders not affected. Trace amounts of BZ in blood samples weeks after exposure. Now let's talk about the only ones who have outright lied about any of this...
Syria gas attack: It was both staged and did not occur. White helmets waited until a SAAF attack on Duma and did two things. They gathered bodies in an apartment building and pretended they were gas victims, which they filmed. Obviously not true because people can be seen wandering around the scene without protection. The second is that two Duma emergency doctors are on record that people burst into their ward yelling about a gas attack while doctors were responding to victims of the bombing attack, most of whom were suffering smoke and dust inhalation. The intruders responded by filming the chaos that ensued. Eff links. They're everywhere and I don't fool myself thinking anyone will look. White helmets are UK funded by the way.
John Swanson