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Lipowitz is 3 years older.Cian vs Del Toro vs Lipowitz
Really looking forward to his TT, as in I want to see how much he improved. I still expect him to lose 1-2min to ThomasHe’s focusing on the last week. Did climb really good yesterday, if he can keep this up I see him finishing on the podium. Worked hard on his TT (but expect to see results in 1-2y for optimal position). And in a GT it’s more about condition/recuperation after several days so hopefully he doesn’t lose that much time this Giro.
Agree with everything here.Del Toro is clearly much zappier than Uijtdebroeks, who is a diesel. Del Toro will have an easier time winning stages and one week stage races. But Del Toro has not raced a GT yet. If he does that with succes as well, than i'd go with Del Toro. But Uijtdebroeks has proven to be very consistent in stage races and has already finished a GT in the top 10. So imho, it's too early to tell, you'll at least have to wait until the Vuelta to make an assessment.
I think 3-4 miutes should be expected alone in the first TT. Sure theres a lot of climbing in the end but there are also over 30 flat TT kms which will probably kill his climbing if his TT is as bad as it looked at the start of the season. It's just pure karma that Jumbo is giving him the leadership at the GT where the TT alone could cost him a top result.Really looking forward to his TT, as in I want to see how much he improved. I still expect him to lose 1-2min to Thomas
Jumbo?I think 3-4 miutes should be expected alone in the first TT. Sure theres a lot of climbing in the end but there are also over 30 flat TT kms which will probably kill his climbing if his TT is as bad as it looked at the start of the season. It's just pure karma that Jumbo is giving him the leadership at the GT where the TT alone could cost him a top result.
Doubt it’ll be that muchI think 3-4 miutes should be expected alone in the first TT. Sure theres a lot of climbing in the end but there are also over 30 flat TT kms which will probably kill his climbing if his TT is as bad as it looked at the start of the season. It's just pure karma that Jumbo is giving him the leadership at the GT where the TT alone could cost him a top result.
We'll see. Maybe in top shape and with better equipment (haha) he can be better. But loosing 1 minute in a flat TT in Tirreno and also over a minute in other shorter WT TTs last year wouldn't give me confidence.Doubt it’ll be that much
Wasn’t it raining really hard in Tirreno? He will be better than last year I suppose. Hope he can damage the losses.We'll see. Maybe in top shape and with better equipment (haha) he can be better. But loosing 1 minute in a flat TT in Tirreno and also over a minute in other shorter WT TTs last year wouldn't give me confidence.
That sounds quite aggressive.Hope he can damage the losses.
Not my native language. Was my first thought of the expression.That sounds quite aggressive.
Cut his losses or limit the damage may be the idioms that were on the tip of your tongue.Not my native language. Was my first thought of the expression.
Hope he doesn’t lose as much time as we’re all thinking.
Thomas is nice benchmark in TT to see where hes at now indeed gonne be intesting to see him there. Him and Del Toro gonne be interesting to follow em both. When Ayuso goes to Moviestar i suspect both Del Toro and Cian will catch up to him faster than most ppl think.I can't see him losing much more than about 2 minutes to Thomas in the first TT. He lost 2:27 to an outstanding WVA in the 42 km NC TT last year. In the 26 km Vuelta TT he lost only 35s to Thomas (but not riding for GC at that point) and 1:17 to Vingegaard (a better comparison). If he loses only 1 to 1:30 to Thomas it will be a very good TT for Cian. That's probably what he needs to target.
I have a feeling Cian will already be catched up this year if he finishes on the podium this Giro. And when Ayuso goes to Movistar he'll be surpassed by both of them probably.Thomas is nice benchmark in TT to see where hes at now indeed gonne be intesting to see him there. Him and Del Toro gonne be interesting to follow em both. When Ayuso goes to Moviestar i suspect both Del Toro and Cian will catch up to him faster than most ppl think.
Cian is more proven indeed but I have this gut feeling Del Toro ceiling is higher(i fcourse cant know this at all) but ofcoures hes unproven in GT perspective so if this was a stock the risk would be higher than in Cian indeed.I have a feeling Cian will already be catched up this year if he finishes on the podium this Giro. And when Ayuso goes to Movistar he'll be surpassed by both of them probably.
Del Toro has another year to prove himself, he's younger. Is he going to the Vuelta? Hopefully he doesn't have to work for Almeida or Ayuso there.
In the beginning of the Giro I expected him to ride top 10, but due to some riders already losing a lot of time I see top 5 as the new target, and podium is what I hope he achieves.I personally dont see Cian podium the giro but if he should do thats impressive . The field in the Giro also is not at the same level of vuelta last year for instance. I do think they both need more than 1 year to catch up to Ayuso personally for me but if switch to Moviestar happen he better wake up early sorta thing indeed
I kinda like that his Giro interviews always end with "Thank you!" - "Please!"
View: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8y9e6w
I guess reason is that (same as in German) the translation of "please" has two meanings in Dutch?