Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[QueenStagiaire]

So who was 3rd in Liege 2020 then?

Definitely not your guy…
Liège was two weeks after the Tour, it doesn‘t mean that he was ‚focusing on the classics‘ but that he‘s just naturally good at them.

 

[gregrowlerson]

I have no such dilemma.

You're in the super position of knowing that one Julian Alaphilippe is far superior to both.

 

[KZD]

So who was 3rd in Liege 2020 then?

As @QueenStagiaire said, Pogačar wasn't necessarily focused on Liège given that it came just 2 weeks after the biggest win in his career. I wouldn't argue that Van der Poel was focused on Lombardia just because he rode it in 2020 either.

Just some stats, Pogačar has 6 monuments wins out of 14 starts while Van der Poel has 6 monuments out of 18 starts so Pogačar has been clearly the most effective of the two on the biggest WT one day races.

Van der Poel has one thing that in my opinion puts him up there with Pogačar though, his World title last year. However even in major Championships, Pogačar has already a bronze medal on both the Worlds and the Olympics.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

What about the guy who utters the words "I'm gone. I'm dead...", can't he be your guy too?

Once a year in July Teddy pretends to be a human to be liked by fans and it actually works!

 

[AmRacer]

Once a year in July Teddy pretends to be a human to be liked by fans and it actually works!

When the fish isn't there, the goat can win as a human.

 

[velaso montador]

Tadej Pogacar voted most favorite rider in 2023

www.procyclingstats.com

Wow the gap

 

[Blanco]

As @QueenStagiaire said, Pogačar wasn't necessarily focused on Liège given that it came just 2 weeks after the biggest win in his career. I wouldn't argue that Van der Poel was focused on Lombardia just because he rode it in 2020 either.

Just some stats, Pogačar has 6 monuments wins out of 14 starts while Van der Poel has 6 monuments out of 18 starts so Pogačar has been clearly the most effective of the two on the biggest WT one day races.

Van der Poel has one thing that in my opinion puts him up there with Pogačar though, his World title last year. However even in major Championships, Pogačar has already a bronze medal on both the Worlds and the Olympics.

That one thing puts him above Pogacar.
And I don't give a damn who's focusing on what, we're talking about best classics rider of the current peloton, and that's Van Der Poel.

 

[Red Rick]

Once again 'best one day racer' is being rather undefined so you get a lot of arguments about palmares vs ability. I wouldn't deny Van der Poel has the better 1 day palmares, but he doesn't have the superior ability by any stretch IMO. Monument stats always get skewed by how easy RvV and PR are to farm together, especially when your main rivals crash out/don't compete. In addition, a far majority of WC routes is geared towards RvV archetype riders rather than LBL archetype riders.

 

[Blanco]

Both are important, but for me palmares gets the edge over ability.
Valverde in terms of ability was superior to Gilbert, but even as a hardcore fan I must say that Gilbert has better classics palmares.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Both are important, but for me palmares gets the edge over ability.
Valverde in terms of ability was superior to Gilbert, but even as a hardcore fan I must say that Gilbert has better classics palmares.

Prime Gilbert would smoke prime Valverde in any given day.

 

[AmRacer]

Both are important, but for me palmares gets the edge over ability.
Valverde in terms of ability was superior to Gilbert, but even as a hardcore fan I must say that Gilbert has better classics palmares.

But Valverde has better GC palmares.

 

[Froome]

But Valverde has better GC palmares.

Froome has a better GC palmares than Gilbert and Valverde together!

 

[AmRacer]

Froome has a better GC palmares than Gilbert and Valverde together!

Yes, you have.

 

[Froome]

Yes, you have.

Corretion! Froome has a better palmares than Valverde, Gilbert and Pogacar together!

 

[AmRacer]

Corretion! Froome has a better palmares than Valverde, Gilbert and Pogacar together!

Almost better GC palmares than Poggi, Jonas and Rogla.

 

[Red Rick]

Froome has a better GC palmares than Gilbert and Valverde together!

Fun fact, Red Rick and Stefanos Tsitsipas have more ATP Monte Carlo titles than Djokovic, Murray and Federer together.

Yes, I am that good

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Fun fact, Red Rick and Stefanos Tsitsipas have more ATP Monte Carlo titles than Djokovic, Murray and Federer together.

Yes, I am that good

I've won as many Giros as Teddy and as many ATP Finals as Rafa. I'm the best of both worlds, try to beat that.

 

[Froome]

I've won as many Giros as Teddy and as many ATP Finals as Rafa. I'm the best of both worlds, try to beat that.

Yeah, but Red Rick and Roglic have more Vueltas together than Vingegaard and Pogacar.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Yeah, but Red Rick and Roglic have more Vueltas together than Vingegaard and Pogacar.

They also have more Vueltas than you, Pogacar and Vingegaard combined

 

[RedheadDane]

I've won as many Giros as Teddy and as many ATP Finals as Rafa. I'm the best of both worlds, try to beat that.

I'll bet my sanity that half of that statement is incorrect by the end of May!

 

[Blanco]

Prime Gilbert would smoke prime Valverde in any given day.

In Roubaix and Ronde sure.
In Liege and Lombardia opposite of sure.

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah, but Red Rick and Roglic have more Vueltas together than Vingegaard and Pogacar.

As my mate Rogla likes to say: "No Rick, no glory"

 

[Peyroteo94]

In Roubaix and Ronde sure.
In Liege and Lombardia opposite of sure.

Hum, one has 2 Lombardias, the other has a fantastic 0 names written in Lombardia's trophy...
Different course? Yes, but still a very hard one. 2011 Gilbert would cook Valverde with one leg. We are talking about ability, the difference in panache is even bigger. One is a charismatic attacking rider, the other is just an uphill sprinter.

 

[AmRacer]

Hum, one has 2 Lombardias, the other has a fantastic 0 names written in Lombardia's trophy...
Different course? Yes, but still a very hard one. 2011 Gilbert would cook Valverde with one leg. We are talking about ability, the difference in panache is even bigger. One is a charismatic attacking rider, the other is just an uphill sprinter.

But it's the opposite regards GC.

 

[tobydawq]

Hum, one has 2 Lombardias, the other has a fantastic 0 names written in Lombardia's trophy...
Different course? Yes, but still a very hard one. 2011 Gilbert would cook Valverde with one leg. We are talking about ability, the difference in panache is even bigger. One is a charismatic attacking rider, the other is just an uphill sprinter.

Valverde's absence in 2011 was the reason Gilbert stood that much out.