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2010 Tour de France Podcast

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auscyclefan94 said:
Dan benson who is british and jeff jones who I believe to be australian give wider spectrum of the things they talk about and are not racially bias towards riders.

Yeah, but this was exactly my point. Both Jeff and Daniel have worked with a wider audience, so are more use to doing just that. Much of the other pair's work is done for a British audience. So what we need to do is probably ensure it's always Richard and Dan F with one of the others, to ensure all the bases are covered, or get those two to be a bit more broad when doing CN podcasts - none of which is an issue.

We've only been doing podcasts a little while, so it's all learning.

auscyclefan94 said:
Talking about how "BMC are not doing enough about doping" is a hypocritical comment as firstly you would have to talk about other teams and secondly they actuallu suspended riders when they were under investigation.

Well, we won't get into those specifics here :)

auscyclefan94 said:
I would appreciate that part in bold.

Seems fair to me, I'll pass on the feedback.

Cheers
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Juanho said:
I think someone needs to let to let Daniel and Richard know that "inertia" doesn't just refer to something wanting to stay still.....

Yes and I guess it would be nice to not hear people eating and ordering food throughout the podcast. Glad I am getting it for free. Some of the crap they come up with is astonishing.

Still tops the crap ITV serve up.

Geez, The tour podcasts just get better from CN! :rolleyes:

I won't be listening again. They seem to like to mock Cadel calling him Cuddles.

Anthony Tan singing was just disturbing!
 
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How are you guys even listening to the podcast? For the past two days now, I've been getting the "file cannot be found on server" deal again from iTunes.

Meanwhile, I've been enjoying the podcast so far. I know I'm probably going to get torn a new one on here for saying so, but it's true.
 
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On inertia: I can't believe you guys still won't accept Tan Man's correct definition in the matter. I think it's most easily defined as a resistance to a change in motion (or resistance to a change in a lack of motion).

Another useful application of inertia—and perhaps a way to help you understand his correct definition better—is when speaking of inertial and non-inertial frames of reference. For instance, the earth is typically in an inertial frame of reference, even though it's moving however fast around on its axis all the time. A spaceship taking off is most decidedly not in an inertial frame of reference as it's accelerating extremely fast (though it could reach an inertial frame of reference after an engine blast or during orbit).
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
I have given up on the podcast. Need to find more balance in content and fill their inconsistencies up.

No kidding? I'm really digging it this year. Also, apart from the singing, I give Tan Man credit for taking it to the next level in 2010. (NB: If there must be singing though, I'm going to have to request 99 Luftballoons.)

I guess if you're not enjoying the occasional banter, that could ruin it (luckily, I'm not in the category). But, by inconsistencies, are you referring to the amount of attention given to English-speaking riders, in particular Sky riders and the Aussies, like you did in your other posts?

Personally, I think even if there is imbalanced coverage, I'll take it, seeing as how there aren't that many ways to get contact so close to the race or behind the scenes of it (from my computer in the states). And I'd expect this kind of concentration given the nationalities of the reporters on scene.

...but maybe you meant something different by inconsistencies?
 
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sethelliottmeyer said:
No kidding? I'm really digging it this year. Also, apart from the singing, I give Tan Man credit for taking it to the next level in 2010. (NB: If there must be singing though, I'm going to have to request 99 Luftballoons.)

I guess if you're not enjoying the occasional banter, that could ruin it (luckily, I'm not in the category). But, by inconsistencies, are you referring to the amount of attention given to English-speaking riders, in particular Sky riders and the Aussies, like you did in your other posts?

Personally, I think even if there is imbalanced coverage, I'll take it, seeing as how there aren't that many ways to get contact so close to the race or behind the scenes of it (from my computer in the states). And I'd expect this kind of concentration given the nationalities of the reporters on scene.

...but maybe you meant something different by inconsistencies?

The stage in Morzine Avoriaz where we had ordering pizza/food in the background which annoyed me. Those guys are journo's so they need to be consistent and some of their comments have not been throughout the podcast. They seem to really suck up to Wiggo and don't give balanced coverage. I don't really like Moore or Freibe tbh. I find them annoying and personally they seem to think the podcast is more about themselves than the race. Bring back the A TEAM of benson and Jones.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
The stage in Morzine Avoriaz where we had ordering pizza/food in the background which annoyed me. Those guys are journo's so they need to be consistent and some of their comments have not been throughout the podcast. They seem to really suck up to Wiggo and don't give balanced coverage. I don't really like Moore or Freibe tbh. I find them annoying and personally they seem to think the podcast is more about themselves than the race. Bring back the A TEAM of benson and Jones.

I hear you on the inconsistency then. I'm not trying to convince you to like the podcast or anything with what I'm going to say next—in fact, I think much moreso I'm just trying to answer my own question of why I'm enjoying it—but I wonder if we're divided on the podcast because of the sort of perspective we're getting. That is, I actually don't mind if the journalists are, at times, the subject matter or focus of the podcast themselves.

For me, the Tour gets a tad bit more boring every year, just getting used to the pattern of racing. I suppose not quite as boring as the US Postal years (save for '03), but even a slightly (slightly) more open era of contenders isn't keeping my attention as much as the first few editions of the race I followed closely. So, getting a new perspective in the vein of how the journalists are following the Tour is interesting to me. I guess that's not what you're looking for, and perhaps it's not even what they're trying to do in the podcast, but I'm intrigued by it.

Full disclosure: If we were to do a complete psychoanalysis, my becoming more of a fan of journalists than riders probably has something to do with the fact that I already feel like a washed-up racer myself at 24, having seen my best Cat 1 days happen a couple years ago already, and not doing much to change it at the moment because I'm focusing on my studies more than the bike.

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So I was thinking all of the above as I was listening to the latest episode, Stage 12, and Anthony Tan tells the listeners to keep in mind that they're not actually having fun in France. I couldn't exactly come up with an exact percentage of sarcasm behind that quotation, but, even with an undetermined amount, let the record show that I'm apparently enjoying the podcast for the wrong reasons. ;)

Back to podcasting about journalism though (journalism about journalism—metacriticism?), it was great to hear some commentary from Richard Moore mostly about feedback from the forum and online comments on journalists and riders. There's a very interesting topic of conversation. Thanks for pursuing it, guys. My only surprise in that section is that apparently you're especially offended by auscyclefan94, which I think is a bit misguided. This thread is quite tame compared to any overt trolling (which I think we're free of so far), and I think auscyclefan94 has in fact already influenced the tone of the podcast the last few days, as well as helped spur on this aforementioned intriguing section about how to process online feedback. So, good stuff.

One last point in this admittedly too-lengthy post is that I'm incredibly saddened to have backed Tan Man on inertia and then hear he's planning Hotel California as opposed to 99 Luftballoons (okay, 99 Red Balloons, we'll let you slide with the English version). What's a guy have to do? On inertia though—I don't know what six dictionaries you checked, Friebe, but doing an online search on almost any established dictionary yields pretty much universally the following succinct (and correct!) definition:

"Inertia is the name for the tendency of an object in motion to remain in motion, or an object at rest to remain at rest, unless acted upon by a force. This concept was quantified in Newton's First Law of Motion." And the adjective is "inertial," not "inertious." I really want to break Moore's and Friebe's inertial frame of reference on the matter....
 
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Sorry, just one more thing this morning and then I'll shut up. A quick question about Lance not having a minute to answer questions for CyclingNews (the audio clip you played in Stage 12's podcast): Think he heard about the episode where Friebe mentions Benson saying, first thing in the morning, "I can't wait for the next LeMond blog!"? That must have been the day after Lance lost so much time, and it did sound a bit like Benson was reveling in it, or reveling in (potentially) LeMond's reveling in it.
 
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the podcast again...

I've been quite enjoying the podcasts, even if it's all a bit boorish - I guess that's what happens when boys spend three weeks in such close proximity. The blatant sexism is out of order though - the more women in cycling the better as far as I'm concerned and this will really drive them away. Just surprised the quality of the analysis is so poor from apparently experienced journalists, although a bit better tonight with them trying to be serious. Tan is the sharpest - wish he'd just let his insights roll. And why so few decent interviews with riders, directeurs etc.?
 
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Nicely done

I enjoy listening to the clinking glasses, the pizza ordering, and rabbit hole discussions. There are plenty of other sources for race coverage and analysis, but this is the only one I've heard that gives a little taste of the atmosphere that surrounds the whole spectacle.

While I initially agreed with T-Man about inertia being a property of matter continuing in it's existing state of either rest or motion I was surprised to find a secondary definition in my pocket Oxford:

2. immobility, motionlessness, stasis; neutrality; apathy, sluggishness, slowness, torpor.

Keep on keepin on guys and don't listen to the whiners.
 
Jun 16, 2009
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MTDave said:
I enjoy listening to the clinking glasses, the pizza ordering, and rabbit hole discussions. There are plenty of other sources for race coverage and analysis, but this is the only one I've heard that gives a little taste of the atmosphere that surrounds the whole spectacle.

While I initially agreed with T-Man about inertia being a property of matter continuing in it's existing state of either rest or motion I was surprised to find a secondary definition in my pocket Oxford:

2. immobility, motionlessness, stasis; neutrality; apathy, sluggishness, slowness, torpor.

Keep on keepin on guys and don't listen to the whiners.

I guess people should only listen to people who praise them and to ignore people who critique them.
 
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Thormalet

Any specific reason for not mentioning Hushovd's effort to stay with the GC riders over four cols, getting 10th. and taking back the green jersey? Not even worth a mention?
 

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