2011 Criterium du Dauphine Libere - 5th to 12th of June, 2.WT

[auscyclefan94]

Evans is done as a Tour rider anyway. He had his chances in 06-08. He's on the slip since 09 in long stage races. Don't see why he should be able to bounce back

Hypothetically, lets say that is true. Well at least Cadel has been a gc rider. Martin will never top 10 in a GT. He can't climb even though you may think he can in your own little world.

 

[theyoungest]

There is also gesink who also has a very good chance of winning.

I hope Gesink doesn't do sh.t, which would mean he's learned to save his energy for the race that matters.

 

[Havetts]

I hope Gesink doesn't do sh.t, which would mean he's learned to save his energy for the race that matters.

As much as I'd hate to see him slack I agree with this quote.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Martin will top 10 in a GT. HTC seem to have this magic ability to say somebody's a GC rider and hey presto, they get a top 10. He can ITT well and climb well enough to hit the lower end of a top 10, simply by riding defensively, so we can add another passenger to the heads of state group. The team will probably start chasing down breakaways to protect his 10th place like Garmin did for Hesjedal last year.

Actually, they need every man they can get for ruining the race, even if they're in the top 10 on GC, so I suspect he'll be on leadout duty anyway.

 

[search]

Its acf. Hes old school. Still calls Het Neiuwsblad, Het Volt ;D

that's fine for me, after months of racing I've still no idea what's the name of Viscontis team, it's ISD for me

 

[theyoungest]

Martin will top 10 in a GT. HTC seem to have this magic ability to say somebody's a GC rider and hey presto, they get a top 10. He can ITT well and climb well enough to hit the lower end of a top 10, simply by riding defensively, so we can add another passenger to the heads of state group..

Didn't they try this with Martin 2 years ago? It lasted for, what, 2 mountain stages?

 

[greenedge]

Calm down with the sprint stages. Evans is not a spent force. This is a race that could suit him really well. He has quite a good team for it too. Also when did it become too hard to win the Dauphine and then the TDF???? I expect to see either Evans or Vino in the leader's jersey after the first 4 stages then someone like Gesink to get it. Maybe Coppel too. Wiggins, Martin and Zabriskie to battle for ITT's.

Maybe some other French rider desperate to win it Casar, Le Mevel etc. Voeckler/ Di Gregorio to win a stage. Katusha's all Russian team shall not win anything, with Evans/ Vino there for first 4 stages then GC Karpets is a talent that has stagnated at Katusha.
Basso shall fail again!!!!!!! JVDB i think could win this he's foolhardy enough to try.

Strongest teams, Sky, Astana, HTC (if they think they can ride for Martin, if everyone pays out Wiggins for coming 4th in 09 can you imagine what will happen to Martin if he ever gets top 10 in a GC) AG2R have a strong team though their attacks shall fizzle out, BMC can control the race if Evans leads and Radioshack have an ok team. No idea who will be mountain goat for Brajkovic but still he might win if he has focused on this race.

 

[Kensuke]

Presentation of Tour de Switzerland ?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Didn't they try this with Martin 2 years ago? It lasted for, what, 2 mountain stages?

Yes, but Martin was 2 years younger then. He's a better climber than he was then, even if he still needs tempo climbing gradual climbs in order to be a proper GC threat. The more conservative racing at the Tour and more gradual climbs will suit him. I don't see him making the top 5 or podium unless they serve up a 2009 Tour de Suisse level crapfest of a route, but somewhere in the 7th-12th area shouldn't be beyond him. He's certainly not a worse climber than Wiggins (4th 2009), Le Mevel (10th 2009), Kim Kirchen (7th 2007, 8th 2008), Yaroslav Popovych (8th 2007), Dessel (6th 2006) or Rogers (9th 2006).

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Strongest teams, Sky, Astana, HTC (if they think they can ride for Martin, if everyone pays out Wiggins for coming 4th in 09 can you imagine what will happen to Martin if he ever gets top 10 in a GC)

Even if Tony Martin is in yellow he'll be put on leadout duty.

AG2R have a strong team though their attacks shall fizzle out, BMC can control the race if Evans leads and Radioshack have an ok team. No idea who will be mountain goat for Brajkovic but still he might win if he has focused on this race.

BMC have a strong enough team to control the race? Brajkovic might win the GC? These are very optimistic thoughts. I don't think BMC have the strength to control the race at all, they have a very strong classics team but they really lack in the Grand Tour domestique department. If Brajkovic turns into a Tour winner you can expect the Clinic to explode. He can certainly be competitive in the GC (though he's struggled with recovery at times in the past) but win it? That's got to be a step too far for this year.

Oh, and Horner will be his mountain goat. Though it is looking more and more like Horner thinks he should be the protected rider, and has a case.

 

[roundabout]

Calm down with the sprint stages. Evans is not a spent force. This is a race that could suit him really well. He has quite a good team for it too. Also when did it become too hard to win the Dauphine and then the TDF???? I expect to see either Evans or Vino in the leader's jersey after the first 4 stages then someone like Gesink to get it. Maybe Coppel too. Wiggins, Martin and Zabriskie to battle for ITT's.

Maybe some other French rider desperate to win it Casar, Le Mevel etc. Voeckler/ Di Gregorio to win a stage. Katusha's all Russian team shall not win anything, with Evans/ Vino there for first 4 stages then GC Karpets is a talent that has stagnated at Katusha.
Basso shall fail again!!!!!!! JVDB i think could win this he's foolhardy enough to try.

Strongest teams, Sky, Astana, HTC (if they think they can ride for Martin, if everyone pays out Wiggins for coming 4th in 09 can you imagine what will happen to Martin if he ever gets top 10 in a GC) AG2R have a strong team though their attacks shall fizzle out, BMC can control the race if Evans leads and Radioshack have an ok team. No idea who will be mountain goat for Brajkovic but still he might win if he has focused on this race.

Since circa 2003.

Really difficult to guess who will win since most (all?) Tour GC riders should be in preparation mode and yet I can't see any 'second choice' riders on the start list that can really challenge. Given their usual good training base Evans and Gesink should probably be best of the big names.

Good post, btw.

 

[roundabout]

Even if Tony Martin is in yellow he'll be put on leadout duty.



BMC have a strong enough team to control the race? Brajkovic might win the GC? These are very optimistic thoughts. I don't think BMC have the strength to control the race at all, they have a very strong classics team but they really lack in the Grand Tour domestique department. If Brajkovic turns into a Tour winner you can expect the Clinic to explode. He can certainly be competitive in the GC (though he's struggled with recovery at times in the past) but win it? That's got to be a step too far for this year.

Oh, and Horner will be his mountain goat. Though it is looking more and more like Horner thinks he should be the protected rider, and has a case.

I think greenedge means that Brajkovic can win the Dauphine GC not the Tour. I agree that he can, but it's about time he should really peak for the Tour.

BMC? First 5 road stages are relatively easy to control and I don't see the last 2 as impossible if they ride at their best. But again it's Dauphine and pretty weird things can happen.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Even if Tony Martin is in yellow he'll be put on leadout duty.

BMC have a strong enough team to control the race? Brajkovic might win the GC? These are very optimistic thoughts. I don't think BMC have the strength to control the race at all, they have a very strong classics team but they really lack in the Grand Tour domestique department. If Brajkovic turns into a Tour winner you can expect the Clinic to explode. He can certainly be competitive in the GC (though he's struggled with recovery at times in the past) but win it? That's got to be a step too far for this year.

Oh, and Horner will be his mountain goat. Though it is looking more and more like Horner thinks he should be the protected rider, and has a case.

If you are reffering to the Dauphine then yes I do think they can control the race.

EVANS Cadel
KROON Karsten
MOINARD Amaël
MORABITO Steve
PHINNEY Taylor
QUINZIATO Manuel
SANTAROMITA Ivan
SCHÄR Michael

Quinziato, Phinney and Schaer for flats. Moinard, Santaromita and Morabito for climbs and Kroon can do a bit of both. Phinney and evans are both good chances to get into yellow from the prologue.

Yes, but Martin was 2 years younger then. He's a better climber than he was then, even if he still needs tempo climbing gradual climbs in order to be a proper GC threat. The more conservative racing at the Tour and more gradual climbs will suit him. I don't see him making the top 5 or podium unless they serve up a 2009 Tour de Suisse level crapfest of a route, but somewhere in the 7th-12th area shouldn't be beyond him. He's certainly not a worse climber than Wiggins (4th 2009), Le Mevel (10th 2009), Kim Kirchen (7th 2007, 8th 2008), Yaroslav Popovych (8th 2007), Dessel (6th 2006) or Rogers (9th 2006).

I would argue that most of those guys listed are better climbers than Tony Martin.

 

[just some guy]

05.06-12.06 Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré 2011

As thing turn to all things French and the Tour the ´warm-up´races are next on the schedule unless your resting up after the Giro.

05.06 12.06 Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré -

Start list.

People to watch re form - ROCHE Nicolas EVANS Cadel SANCHEZ Samuel ROY Jérémy BASSO Ivan VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen GESINK Robert WIGGINS Bradley BRAJKOVIC Janez

 

[just some guy]

Prologue Sunday 5 June Saint-Jean-de-MaurienneSaint-Jean-de-Maurienne 5.4 km

Can´t find profile

Stage 1 Monday 6 June AlbertvilleSaint-Pierre-de-Chartreuse 144 km

Stage 2 Tuesday 7 June VoironLyon 179 km

Can´t find profile -
Km 21.0 - Côte de Miribel-les-Echelles - 4.4 km climb to 4.3 % - Category 4
Km 91.0 - Côte du Château de Saint-Julien - 2.8 km climb to 5 % - Category 4
Km 134.5 - Côte de Pérouges - 1.6 km climb to 4.4 % - Category 4
Km 179.0 - Côte de la Croix-Rousse - 1.4 km climb to 4.8 % - Category 4

Stage 3 Wednesday 8 June Grenoble Grenoble 42.5 km ITT

 

[just some guy]

Stage 4 En ligne Thursday 9 June La Motte-ServolexMâcon 173.5 km

Can´t find profile - Sprint stage
MTN Passes

Km 13.5 - Col du Chat - 6.2 km climb to 6.7 % - Category 2
Km 54.0 - Côte de Peyzieu - 1.4 km climb to 4.6 % - Category 4
Km 109.5 - Côte de Châtillon-la-Palud - 1.8 km climb to 5 % - Category 4

Stage 5 Friday 10 June Parc des Oiseaux - Villars-les-DombesLes Gets 210 km

Stage 6 Saturday 11 June Les GetsLe Collet d’Allevard 192.5 km

 

[theyoungest]

I would argue that most of those guys listed are better climbers than Tony Martin.

Kirchen, Le Mevel and Rogers are certainly better at explosive climbs than T. Martin is. But you don't really have those at the Tour (except for Mende maybe). For the longer climbs these guys are probably at Martin's level.

 

[just some guy]

Stage 6 Sunday 12 June PontcharraLa Toussuire 117.5 km

Looks to be a great week of Racing.

 

[just some guy]

Sorry for the dbl thread start did not see the old one

Delete thread

(started a thread after not seeing this old one, the mods/admin moved the posts instead of deleting soory for the profiles in the old thread, looks alittle weird I guess

 

[dlwssonic]

those small hills at the end of the finish really suits evans. We will finally get to see how evans performs on the high mountains. But there are a few hills which will suit him

 

[Havetts]

That Collet d'Allevard looks like a real good climb .

 

[Mellow Velo]

those small hills at the end of the finish really suits evans. We will finally get to see how evans performs on the high mountains. But there are a few hills which will suit him

I really hope he doesn't go for the win here. As you pointed out, he flunked the 2009 Tour, big time, because he left his climbing legs at this race.

This year, with several established big names left out, the Tour needs Evans in his best form, to compete with the likes of Sanchez, Gesink and JvDB, for third place.
Otherwise, the undercard looks a bit thin.

That Collet d'Allevard looks like a real good climb .

+1
Looks a bit beefier than the usual fare.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

My question is, why have we not seen it before? Looks like a much better climb than a lot of the French Alpine climbs we see.

 

[search]

My question is, why have we not seen it before? Looks like a much better climb than a lot of the French Alpine climbs we see.

they did it in 1992 and 1994

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Hmm the new inclusion of those 5% climbs in stage 1 and the stage to Les Gets might make it a good edition for an outsider to win.

The TDF contendors won't care to test themselves on easy slopes, and the 2nd string climbers/classification riders will get free room to take the jersey and time in those stages