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Tuarts said:You consider Martin a main contender but not Fuglsang, Kessiakoff, Monfort etc?
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Tuarts said:You consider Martin a main contender but not Fuglsang, Kessiakoff, Monfort etc?
I'm reffering to you laughing at the idea Mollema winning the Vuelta after yesterday, but still believing JvdB however was a serious contender. Ofcourse the chances are little, but JvdB is not exactly within a shot eitherLogic-is-your-friend said:No? Hmm, well, considering he's still recovering, he would have been in front of Rodriguez if it weren't for time bonusses, he took time on Scarponi, and without the downhill upset by Liquigas, he would have been in front of Nibali as well. So all in all, i don't agree. The "real" mountains still have to come, so i was more speaking in general to be honest.
Supposed to, yeah. That's what he said last year after the tour, that he would focus more on TT for this year. Except he said in an interview before the Dauphiné, he had hardly touched his TT bike.
What are you refering to good man? The fact that i said Mollema won't win the Dauphiné? He still won't, and that has little to do with JVDB. As for my prediction for JVDB this Vuelta, i believe you can find a quote of mine in the infamous Gesink - VDB topic, that i expected him in the top 10, all else would need to be seen. I still wouldn't count him out just yet though.
theyoungest said:On Angliru those guys (except for Kessiakoff maybe) will get slaughtered by Martin. He won't win the race, but could still make the top-5.
I agree that he's inconsistent, but I think the bad weather could be good for him (no allergy problems, I think... though I'm not an expert). Even when he was plagued by allergies in the Giro last year he still did quite well on the Zoncolan. Those gradients really suit him.roundabout said:I don't know. He is getting better but I don't think he is most consistent of riders. But I am basing it only on the feeling from the Valdepenas and Escorial stages and he has been much better in the real climbs.
Dekker_Tifosi said:Main contenders (in my opinion, sorry Froome, Fuglsang, Kessiakoff, etcetera)
Wiggins
Nibali +11
Mollema +47
Cobo +1'27
Jvdb +2'01
Menchov +2'15
Rodriguez +3'03
Martin +4'38
Although maybe I should take at least Kessiakoff and Froome seriously. I fully expect Fuglsang/Monfort to drop in the mountains and have no serious shot anyway.
Libertine Seguros said:It was the worst Mortirolo stage ever but that's not J-Rod's fault. The guy can do a good long climb on steep stuff. He's not a grinder.
Libertine Seguros said:It was the worst Mortirolo stage ever but that's not J-Rod's fault. The guy can do a good long climb on steep stuff. He's not a grinder. He put time into everybody except Contador and the guy he was domestiquing for on Anglirú last time around. He still has a chance.
I just don't think he's going to be able to take it.
Dekker_Tifosi said:I'm reffering to you laughing at the idea Mollema winning the Vuelta after yesterday, but still believing JvdB however was a serious contender. Ofcourse the chances are little, but JvdB is not exactly within a shot either
Btw, Mollema didn't even ride the Dauphine so I don't know what you are on about.
maltiv said:Nibali is still the big favorite for the overall in my opinion. He should easily take a minute or so on Froome/Wiggins on Angliru.
boomcie said:Another word on Froome...
He really impressed me yesterday, because the wind in those last k's was ferocious according to some riders.
Him pulling back Nibali and friends, then pacing Wiggins for a while ánd still holding on was a really strong performance. Today he TT'd quite a bit faster than Wiggins (23"), ending 2nd behind King Martin. Those are some pretty impressive credentials.
This guy seems to be going places and yes I'm a little confused by his performance. Sorry guys.
roundabout said:I am not saying that it's his fault. Just that those are misleading examples. Nibali is pretty much a grinder on the steep climbs and he can go pretty well up them so Rodriguez will either hope that people ahead of him falter or do more than his usual on the climbs.
Dekker_Tifosi said:Main contenders (in my opinion, sorry Froome, Fuglsang, Kessiakoff, etcetera)
Wiggins
Nibali +11
Mollema +47
Cobo +1'27
Jvdb +2'01
Menchov +2'15
Rodriguez +3'03
Martin +4'38
Although maybe I should take at least Kessiakoff and Froome seriously. I fully expect Fuglsang/Monfort to drop in the mountains and have no serious shot anyway.
Have you seen yesterday's stage? Or any mountain stage Fuglsang has ever done? He just doesn't have it on the real climbs (except in the Dauphiné 2009, I don't know where that Fuglsang went).Descender said:Mollema is a contender but Fuglsang isn't?
theyoungest said:Have you seen yesterday's stage? Or any mountain stage Fuglsang has ever done? He just doesn't have it on the real climbs (except in the Dauphiné 2009, I don't know where that Fuglsang went).
I don't really believe that. Gesink had more or less the same injury in that Vuelta and he can still climb... well, until this year, that isLibertine Seguros said:"that" Fuglsang crashed into an oil tanker en route to Liège in stage 4 of the 2009 Vuelta and carved a hole in his leg down to the bone. He's never been the same since really.