2012 Giro d'Italia; May 14th; Stage 9: San Giorgio nel Sannio - Frosinone (166km)

[El Pistolero]

Didn't call Cavendish an unworthy Giro winner. I defended Ventoso.

 

[Caruut]

Cavendish was two wheels back of Pozzato, and three back from Goss. He was the favourite until the crash, no question.

Three back from Goss is a tricky one to decide, I'd say Cav and Goss are about even. Two back from Pozzato, there's obviously only one winner. Tells you a lot about El_P that he hates Cav so much that he's prepared to be an absolute moron just to avoid naming him as a favourite.

 

[El Pistolero]

If only you did this.

This stage wasn't tailor-made for Cavendish. Attacks all through the last few km, Sky weren't on the front towing him, yet he still made it, and you find a way to hate him. How is taking out dangerous corners making the finish more suited to Cavendish? Face it, the only reason you are glad that happened is because it took Cav out.

You are blinded by your hatred of Cavendish. I prefer to see the race decided on merit, rather than luck of the draw based on who managed to avoid the crash. If there's a sprint, I want to see the guy best in the sprint from that group (and I include being positioned well at crunch time part of "being best in the print") win it. If Gilbert had solo'd away up a hill and crashed on the descent, leaving Cavendish to take a win from the bunch, you would be crying your little eyes out whining about how it was unfair and Cavendish didn't deserve the win. This is pathetic.

I never said this stage was tailor made for Cavendish.

All I said was "I don't think Cavendish would have won even without the crash ." Yup, what a hateful reaction from me. I said I was disappointed by the crash yet you seem to think I'm glad someone crashed? Are you reading a different post or something?

Seems like I hurt some fanboys again. What does Phil have to do with any of this? If he crashes on a descent while being solo he only has him self to blame LOL. Yeah, my reaction was the pathetic one here.

 

[DominicDecoco]

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Ventoso had no chance of winning without the crash - 3rd at best. With 400m to go he was at least 20 positions behind Goss and at least 10 behind Cavendish. He did well to make up the ground that he did but was way too far back. It would have been Cavendish vs Goss again with a big gap to the rest

 

[c&cfan]

Didn't call Cavendish an unworthy Giro winner. I defended Ventoso.

ventoso is a great rider and deserved this one.
crashing is also part of cycling.

having said that, your posts in every thread regarding cavendish are worthless irrational troll attempts.

let's give those attempts what they deserve, shall we?

anyway, things are looking good for the GC, no favorite out of contention yet. the next stages should provide a nice show.

i'm I the only one wishing for sagan to do the first and second week of el giro instead of california?

 

[Mellow Velo]

Dull stage? Ten times better than the crap we've been served so far. It's the job of the riders to check out the finish or at least let someone from the team do a recon. The road-book even mentioned the corner. It's their own fault for crashing.

I rather see a 2nd or 3rd rate sprinter win than someone who's totally crap in every other discipline of cycling. Ventoso has won Paris-Bruxelles, 2 Giro stages and a Vuelta stage before. He's a worthy winner. Think before you post. Not every stage has to be tailor made for Cavendish.

If you took your own advice, you'd be short by 10,000 posts or so.
There's another prime example above.

Hang the women and children first, too.....

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Cmon people, time to think happy thoughts

At least the final 5k were fun

 

[Pippo_San]

This is how flattish world championships should look like. At least. Fast & technical.

 

[El Pistolero]

I guess Hesjedal is also a moron then for saying some people didn't study the finish or the road-book. Crash wasn't the fault of the parcours. It was the fault of the riders, like happens so many times during sprinting stages. Has there been a Giro sprint stage where no one crashed this year? Don't think so.

Nice to see constructive criticism against my post Mellow. Clearly proves you're right because you use so many arguments.

 

[c&cfan]

Ventoso had no chance of winning without the crash - 3rd at best. With 400m to go he was at least 20 positions behind Goss and at least 10 behind Cavendish. He did well to make up the ground that he did but was way too far back. It would have been Cavendish vs Goss again with a big gap to the rest

this sort of speculation won't take you anywhere. it was a nice win for a deserved winner. i think that ventoso could do well in some classics (msr) and take a really big win.

 

[Gloin22]

this sort of speculation won't take you anywhere. it was a nice win for a deserved winner. i think that ventoso could do well in some classics (msr) and take a really big win.

Well Ventoso has been a bit useless this season though. His best result to till today in Giro was 9th...

 

[El Pistolero]

This is how flattish world championships should look like. At least. Fast & technical.

How dare you say a bike race should have corners in a race.

Agree though.

 

[Caruut]

I never said this stage was tailor made for Cavendish.

All I said was "I don't think Cavendish would have won even without the crash ." Yup, what a hateful reaction from me. I said I was disappointed by the crash yet you seem to think I'm glad someone crashed? Are you reading a different post or something?

Seems like I hurt some fanboys again. What does Phil have to do with any of this? If he crashes on a descent while being solo he only has him self to blame LOL. Yeah, my reaction was the pathetic one here.

You are hilarious. When you said "not every stage has to be tailor-made for Cavendish", you were just making a general point, unrelated to today's events, were you?

Why, if you were disappointed by the crash did you said "I would rather a 2nd rate sprinter won than someone who is rubbish at every other discipline". How else is a second-rate sprinter going to beat guys like Cav and Goss from that situation without a crash? Of course you never technically said anything, you just imply it and then act shocked when anyone interprets your posts and calls you out on it.

Cavendish wasn't at fault at all for crashing, he nearly avoided it, yet you still think it's his fault for crashing. Oh, I'm sure you never technically said that either.

Then you're going to weasel out of it by calling me a "fanboy". Bravo. Well done. Yes, I'm a fan of Cavendish, big deal. I'm not hurt, just frustrated at the way you're acting like such a tool.

 

[El Pistolero]

Well Ventoso has been a bit useless this season though. His best result to till today in Giro was 9th...

So was Goss before this Giro.

 

[will10]

Quality .

 

[burning]

We have to remake Godwin's law for cycling

"As an online discussion grows longer in a cycling forum, the probability of bashing Cavendish or saying Cavendish is a unworthy world champ approaches 1."

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Everyone want to calm down and get back to discussing the stage, please?

Susan

 

[Mellow Velo]

Nice to see constructive criticism against my post Mellow. Clearly proves you're right because you use so many arguments.

I hadn't realised it was necessary, after folks have already driven a bus through it.

For me, the only point that merits any debate is whether or not it's appropriate to include a 130 degree bend, in a town, so close to the finish; especially when the parcour had included several small hills, to make the selection.

One can only imagine the outcome, had it been wet.
I doubt whether being familiar with the roadbook would be of much use.

 

[El Pistolero]

You are hilarious. When you said "not every stage has to be tailor-made for Cavendish", you were just making a general point, unrelated to today's events, were you?

I said that because today was not tailor-made for him. He was still there, but had to fight for it. He had to make up a lot of places after the little hills. Hence stage wasn't suited for him. He could've won yes, but I don't think he would've won even without the crash. Those hills most likely took some speed away from him and Goss was much better positioned. I enjoyed this stage because of the fact that it was't all flat without any obstacles. There clearly were obstacles to be overcome this time. I really don't see how you could interpret that to what you're saying. I said every sprint stage should be like this yet you think I said it was tailor-made for Cavendish. Doesn't even make sense lol.

Why, if you were disappointed by the crash did you said "I would rather a 2nd rate sprinter won than someone who is rubbish at every other discipline". How else is a second-rate sprinter going to beat guys like Cav and Goss from that situation without a crash? Of course you never technically said anything, you just imply it and then act shocked when anyone interprets your posts and calls you out on it.

Yes, I like to see more versatile riders win races. I wanted Pozzato to win this, but he crashed. Goss isn't a pure sprinter, he's quite the versatile cyclist. I definitely like to see Goss win over Cavendish on such a stage. That's a personal opinion of mine and doesn't mean I want to see other riders crash. It means I want stages like this that don't just benefit a pure sprinter, but also a rider who's decent on hills. You simply imply and spout bull****.

Cavendish wasn't at fault at all for crashing, he nearly avoided it, yet you still think it's his fault for crashing. Oh, I'm sure you never technically said that either.

I didn't say it was his fault, I said it was Pippo's fault. Not sure what point you're trying to make here.

Then you're going to weasel out of it by calling me a "fanboy". Bravo. Well done. Yes, I'm a fan of Cavendish, big deal. I'm not hurt, just frustrated at the way you're acting like such a tool

You clearly are hurt because he didn't win. Otherwise you wouldn't react in such an aggressive way when my post clearly was not aggressive. Sorry for having an opinion.

 

[El Pistolero]

I hadn't realised it was necessary, after folks have already driven a bus through it.

For me, the only point that merits any debate is whether or not it's appropriate to include a 130 degree bend, in a town, so close to the finish; especially when the parcour had included several small hills, to make the selection.

One can only imagine the outcome, had it been wet.
I doubt whether being familiar with the roadbook would be of much use.

I suggest you watch track cycling then.

 

[plooton]

I'm pretty sure the curve must have been an act of Zomegnan's secret subversive work.

 

[Gregory]

Including such bends in these types of races is a mistake Why? Because innocent riders have to pay for potential mistakes of others.
No problems with such a course on an ITT - here everyone pays for his own mistakes

 

[Eyeballs Out]

... For me, the only point that merits any debate is whether or not it's appropriate to include a 130 degree bend, in a town, so close to the finish; especially when the parcour had included several small hills, to make the selection.

One can only imagine the outcome, had it been wet.
I doubt whether being familiar with the roadbook would be of much use.

Stage 11 is going to be worse - three sharp corners in the last km

 

[Fetisoff]

I suggest you watch track cycling then.

Track can be a dangerous sport as well