2012 Giro d'Italia; May 19th; Stage 14: Cherasco - Cervinia(205km)

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DominicDecoco said:
Clever from Ryder. This hill was his terrain. He'll probably get in trouble in the mountains, though.
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He will be fine in the mountains(wasn't that a mountain stage? Ok not the Stelvio but...) more muscle mass to store more glycogen than the 125'ers, and he's shown his resolve at altitude(stage win in Vuelta, 4th in Tourmalet).

Great win and courage Ryder...just another cold and wet spring day in Canada!
 
meat puppet

meat puppet

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DirtyWorks said:
Who said they weren't? Riders were going off the back in blazing glory! Some of this is perception. They don't show riders exploding off the back, or have a graphic way to describe relative pace with racers cracking. One just has to look at the results. Racers were all over those mountains.

While I agree in principal with what you are saying, what could the Giro organizers do? Time bonus? My answer is get rid of team radios. I find it very hard to believe DS's were NOT managing splits while watching Eurosport and giving their riders detailed race information from the car. Again, if safety is *actually* an issue, then Race Radio (ex. Giro organizer) can broadcast and riders can use a one-way.

As long as team radios are barking orders and providing splits among other things, it's going to be lots of tempo racing like today.

Ryder's attack was awesome racing. The EPO days are behind us now, and until team radios are gone, this is what most racing is probably going to look like. No matter what, Ryder and his team are going to have a **very** difficult day tomorrow. That leader's jersey weighs heavy on the shoulders of a rider.
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This. My thoughts as well, very good post. The bottom line is you cannot have the cake and eat it. As for EPO days Vaughters' credibility might not be 100% and this is a game he has many personal stakes in, but nonetheless I was actually quite pleased when tweeted that 5,65w/kg for Ryder was consistent with him doing 5,8ish fresh in a test and yesterday's result signalling slight fatigue.

I'd rather the winner has numbers in that neighbourhood than in the sixes, even lower sixes. Even if the racing's boring. Bohoo.

But of course, I understand the sentiment that this aint no hard racing. Surely jet fuelled attacking is more spectacular. As was the attacking before those days, when climbing was not as calculated. Now, just as hrotha said, no one dares attack on the false flat and everyone is waiting for the magic gradient that suits their FTP pace in the most optimal manner. Or so it seems, when Contador is not racing. But in that case I guess the w/kg neighbourhood will be around and often over sixes.
 
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El Pistolero said:
Henao has been a pro for 6 years now and is 25 years old. It might be his first race in Europe, but he's far from a neo pro. :rolleyes:

Contador won the Tour at age 24. Damiano Cunego the Giro at age 22. Andy was second in the Giro at age 21 or something. Jan Ullrich won the white jersey in the Tour 3 times and the Tour once at young age.
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did you realize that all the riders you cited are real topriders: contador , ulle...andy (quite deceiving because of his attitude but 1 lbl + tour podiums), cunego 1 gt and 4 monuments, even if he did not fulfill the expectations we had for him...

i don't know ryo, but i will be happy if henao will follow the path of contador and ullrich. i will be even very satisfied if a colombian will be par with andy and cunego at their best

de gendt is very promising, i agree with you.
you cannot deny that thomas is more experienced of the colombian about european racing and GTs
 
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meat puppet said:
This. My thoughts as well, very good post. The bottom line is you cannot have the cake and eat it. As for EPO days Vaughters' credibility might not be 100% and this is a game he has many personal stakes in, but nonetheless I was actually quite pleased when tweeted that 5,65w/kg for Ryder was consistent with him doing 5,8ish fresh in a test and yesterday's result signalling slight fatigue.

I'd rather the winner has numbers in that neighbourhood than in the sixes, even lower sixes. Even if the racing's boring. Bohoo.

But of course, I understand the sentiment that this aint no hard racing. Surely jet fuelled attacking is more spectacular. As was the attacking before those days, when climbing was not as calculated. Now, just as hrotha said, no one dares attack on the false flat and everyone is waiting for the magic gradient that suits their FTP pace in the most optimal manner. Or so it seems, when Contador is not racing. But in that case I guess the w/kg neighbourhood will be around and often over sixes.
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Sigh. For the nth time, it has nothing to do with Clinicness. Racing pre-EPO was much more aggressive.
 
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I think Henao and Uran will both do a good top ten. They can still get better. Rujano will still play a role, as he will launch at least 2341510 more futile attacks. As for Ryo, ignore the hyping, and sometimes he says something useful:rolleyes:
 
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Vino attacks everyone said:
Even if i do enjoy the occasional mocking of south American riders, i don't think i've ever heard Ryo say that Henao will be just as good as Contador or Andy?

He has said he might podium, witch so far looks absolutely plausible
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It does?

Uran has found his legs again, which means Henao will have to work for him. For now, anyway.
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
Solid ride by Rigoberto Duran Duran.

Henao was spectacular at last year's Tour of Utah. Now he's riding with the top climbers in the Giro. Good pickup by Team Sky.
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LOL, nice one. BTW, why are his parents' surnames both Uran? Were they first cousins or something?
 
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Christomir said:
LOL, nice one. BTW, why are his parents' surnames both Uran? Were they first cousins or something?
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meat puppet

meat puppet

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hrotha said:
Sigh. For the nth time, it has nothing to do with Clinicness. Racing pre-EPO was much more aggressive.
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Sigh yourself. I might have expressed myself badly, but nowhere did I make a claim that contradicts what you said. Actually I think it's unfortunately true, only it just describes how things were, and explains nothing with regard to how things are now. So, I entertain the possibility that riders are also more conservative now than during the more jacked years due to them actually fatiguing, which apparently you dont like. In addition, I attributed conservative racing to contenders looking for the magic moment that would suit precisely them via "scientifization" of racing.
 
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Caruut said:
But if he's number 2, then Hesjedal is number 1.
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Waterloo Sunrise said:
meh, good ride by Ryder, but the reality is it was allowed to happen because the others didn't (don't?) take him seriously.

As soon as Purito went everyone was off like a shot, shortly after having watched Ryder ride off.
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I thought of this exchange as soon as I saw the final results. Live and learn, O you favorites.
 
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