2012 Giro d'Italia, May 23rd, stage 17: Falzes → Cortina D'Ampezzo, 186 Kms

[WinterRider]

Nah, just catagorically dropped when the pace went up on Duran. I think once dropped he didn't chase and waited for the autobus, but whether he'll be able to do something on Friday or Saturday remains to be seen.

Thanks, I was on my bike riding into work when the whole race blew to bits. I only got back to watching with about 5k to go on the last climb. I'm hoping someone posts a video of the last two climbs so I can see all the action.

 

[hrotha]

Yes, that would explain why there were such small gaps, I mean still 26 guys within 10 minutes,

And 14 guys within 1:22. Doesn't sound that impressive now, huh.

 

[WinterRider]

he has nothing in the engine,i don't even think he can breath well,he's done for this giro

also i'm amazed by the low level here.if wiggins would have been here,he would already be at six minutes above purito
hesjedal can win this easily,figure that one.

Go back to his good tour, he said he improved as it went on, and came 4th on the Tourmalet behind only Contador/Schleck when they both had amazing form, and JRod. He is a legitimate contender.

He didn't do much last year, but the Tour was his target and something happened in the early non-mountain stages that cost him a couple minutes. I can't remember what it was, but something like a crash of mechanical or maybe just bad positioning. Anyway, Tom Danielson was going good so after that he switched to a support role. I'm not surprised to see him doing a good Giro, though I didn't think he'd be in contention for the win.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

And 14 guys within 1:22. Doesn't sound that impressive now, huh.

? about the same as the ToC on Mt.Baldy and that was on a steep finish instead of downhill and with a difference in quality much bigger between top and subtop due to the field...

Really, it's not a good complaint

 

[ooh_25mm]

Basso still has to get time back ,you think he will succeed in riding away alone friday or saturday?

I do, I feel like he can get four minutes on the Stelvio, it really seems like the perfect Diesel climb.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

he has nothing in the engine,i don't even think he can breath well,he's done for this giro

also i'm amazed by the low level here.if wiggins would have been here,he would already be at six minutes above purito
hesjedal can win this easily,figure that one.

You might be right about the low level. Neither Basso nor Scarponi were particularly impressive in their last GT and Rodriguez, Hesjedal and Uran have never been serious contenders for a GT win before.

I don't see how Wiggins would have been 6 mins up by now though! How exactly?

 

[Parrulo]

he has nothing in the engine,i don't even think he can breath well,he's done for this giro

also i'm amazed by the low level here.if wiggins would have been here,he would already be at six minutes above purito
hesjedal can win this easily,figure that one.

your posts are lacking consistency jens, just a couple posts ago you said they rode up the giau faster then they did in 07/08, i highly doubt wiggins would have kept up with the leading 6 on a multi mountain stage of the giro.

 

[hrotha]

? about the same as the ToC on Mt.Baldy and that was on a steep finish instead of downhill and with a difference in quality much bigger between top and subtop due to the field...

Really, it's not a good complaint

Are you seriously comparing the Mt Baldy stage to this?

And I'm not complaining per se. As I said, I couldn't watch the stage. But saying it was a good stage because whoever came 25th lost tons of time is not a very good argument.

I also don't see why it's not being an MTF matters, especially since they should have been trying to distance Scarponi.

 

[Gloin22]

your posts are lacking consistency jens, just a couple posts ago you said they rode up the giau faster then they did in 07/08, i highly doubt wiggins would have kept up with the leading 6 on a multi mountain stage of the giro.

TBh in this shape so far this year I'd say he would definitely.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

your posts are lacking consistency jens, just a couple posts ago you said they rode up the giau faster then they did in 07/08, i highly doubt wiggins would have kept up with the leading 6 on a multi mountain stage of the giro.

I don't know about that either. Uran was with them, after all, and Wiggins has a superior climbing record to both Uran and Hesjedal at the very least. Plus, Liquigas keeping a high steady tempo is pretty much exactly the way Wiggins likes to climb.

I could see him holding on today. I just can't see how he'd put six minutes into them!

 

[maltiv]

Apparently they went up the last climb at 5,6 w/kg based on some calculations i've seen. That doesn't sound very impressive. Contador would've won this on a tricycle.

 

[will10]

TBh in this shape so far this year I'd say he would definitely.

Wiggins hasn't climbed a mountain yet in a race in 2012.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Any tactical advice?

The obvious thing is to put Cav in the breakaway.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Henao will be there to help him, they used Henao during his last stage win.

He did about a 30 second turn on the front, that won't be a lot of help tomorrow. They will be mad to sacrifice him when they have a chance of Uran getting on the podium.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Apparently they went up the last climb at 5,6 w/kg based on some calculations i've seen. That doesn't sound very impressive. Contador would've won this on a tricycle.

Not sure what the wind was like during the stage but it was forecast from the north when I looked this morning which was the same way the stage was heading over the main climbs

 

[mcassidy3]

The best thing to do would be fo try put cav and bernie in the break, wont happen though and with it unlikely cav is goign to keep the red jersey,They might just let the break go

 

[will10]

The best thing to do would be fo try put cav and bernie in the break, wont happen though and with it unlikely cav is goign to keep the red jersey,They might just let the break go

No way has Cav stayed in this race for them to let the break go tomorrow. Unfortunately Henao will be working tomorrow

 

[jens_attacks]

your posts are lacking consistency jens, just a couple posts ago you said they rode up the giau faster then they did in 07/08, i highly doubt wiggins would have kept up with the leading 6 on a multi mountain stage of the giro.

yes but in 2007 and 2008 there were still climbs to go after giau.impossible to compare but in both those years the level was something like 60 watts higher for the top guns lol
wiggo would demolish those guys trust me.i think he laughs from teide at these performances

You might be right about the low level. Neither Basso nor Scarponi were particularly impressive in their last GT and Rodriguez, Hesjedal and Uran have never been serious contenders for a GT win before.

I don't see how Wiggins would have been 6 mins up by now though! How exactly?

his numbers are world class.also froomy was keeping 412 watts last year in the vuelta for an hour!!!these guys here in giro i don't think are past 5,5 w/kg.they softpedal like they forgot to eat or something.that's disapointing big time.


when you feel nostalgia about the good old days when they were racing like men:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-y38WZAtgc

the real cycling is dying slowly

 

[El Pistolero]

Am I missing something here? Next stage is completely flat no? When was the last time such a stage didn't end in a bunch sprint?

 

[airstream]

The only positive result of this stage is at least, the haters, who thought Basso could be dropped on the descent without rhyme or reason, turned out to be wrong.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

yes but in 2007 and 2008 there were still climbs to go after giau.impossible to compare but in both those years the level was something like 60 watts higher for the top guns lol
wiggo would demolish those guys trust me.i think he laughs from teide at these performances





his numbers are world class.also froomy was keeping 412 watts last year in the vuelta for an hour!!!these guys here in giro i don't think are past 5,5 w/kg.they softpedal like they forgot to eat or something.that's disapointing big time.


when you feel nostalgia about the good old days when they were racing like men:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-y38WZAtgc

the real cycling is dying slowly

without watching the video i would hazard a guess and say its alpe dheuz us postal 2003?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Am I missing something here? Next stage is completely flat no? When was the last time such a stage didn't end in a bunch sprint?

Not just flat, a net downhill

 

[meat puppet]

Apparently they went up the last climb at 5,6 w/kg based on some calculations i've seen. That doesn't sound very impressive. Contador would've won this on a tricycle.

On the other hand, Vaughters for instance has quite consistently corroborated that the numbers add up to their lab tests once accumulated fatigue is factored in. Today he insisted in a tweet, based on those very same numbers from today, that "high fives are the new high sixes".

Whether this is indeed a true tendency that will stand the test of the Tour is another matter. But what I do know is this: if the TDF numbers will be constantly around 6 then, I'm not sure I'm buying it. Percentage wise, the jump is too high to be explained away with reference to Tour riders being a class above.

Oh, and I did enjoy the stage. Tempo riding boring yada yada.

 

[jens_attacks]

without watching the video i would hazard a guess and say its alpe dheuz us postal 2003?

yes i like the song a lot

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

So Mollema would also crush the field here Jens_attacks?