2012 Tour de France: Stage 16: Pau → Bagnères-de-Luchon, 197 km

[T_S_A_R]

I know, but his age and results of the past 3/4 years suggest he should not be there.
Results from 5 years ago are not relevant in this case

he was 16th last year.

wiggans was 24th the last time he finished the race.

 

[auscyclefan94]

It doesn't look any weaker than last year to me though.
Just check Rolland's position and gap for further evidence.

Different race and Rolland gained a lot of time through a break away. You can't compare things like that.

 

[Amused]

10thinot - 11:43
11th: Roche - 11:47
12th: Klöden - 13:14
13th: Horner - 13:39
14th: CAS - 14:43

Klöden the best TTer?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Yes, because a 35 year old Zubeldia is exactly the same as a 26 or a 30 year old Zubeldia.

So only some people get better with age?

 

[lejarreta]

Yes, because a 35 year old Zubeldia is exactly the same as a 26 or a 30 year old Zubeldia.

An 34 year old Evans better than younger, if tour GC is the only parameter to study.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

10thinot - 11:43
11th: Roche - 11:47
12th: Klöden - 13:14
13th: Horner - 13:39
14th: CAS - 14:43

Klöden the best TTer?

Normally yeah. But a 2 minute gap on Roche is a bit much, considering Roche's first ITT was actually very decent

 

[roundabout]

10thinot - 11:43
11th: Roche - 11:47
12th: Klöden - 13:14
13th: Horner - 13:39
14th: CAS - 14:43

Klöden the best TTer?

Yes. But he will lose even more time tomorrow.

 

[Magnus]

I know, but his age and results of the past 3/4 years suggest he should not be there.
Results from 5 years ago are not relevant in this case

Can't you see? In 2010 he finished 27th, last year it was 16th and now 5th. He just improves by 11 places each year. This year is a result of simple linear extrapolation

 

[Finn84]

152 riders mentioned having finished, as many also listed in GC so probably Ghyselinck and Bole quit at some point of the stage.

 

[Warhawk]

Zubeldia sits at 1:27 behind VdB. He gained 49 secs in the first TT on him. Could be interesting

And Tejay sits 42 seconds behind Zubeldia and 2:09 behind VDB, having gained 1:14 and 2:03 on them, respectively, in the first TT.

Those 3 could end up pretty close if they don't separate tomorrow. Evans too if he pulls out a solid TT.

 

[vcampbell]

So only some people get better with age?

Why? You think that if you're 50 years old, then you could easily win a Tour?
There are riders like Leipheimer or Horner, who are like a good wine.
There are riders like Voigt, who are always the same.
There are riders, who are old int he age of 33-34-35.
There are riders, who are fulfilling their real level somewhere at the age of 30.

We are all different, but we can't say, that a rider who is able to reach the 5th position in the age of 26th will the same at the age of 35.The field in this Tour is weak. I like Zubeldia, but this not the position where he should be, with harder route, and more than 3 contender.

 

[Poursuivant]

Surprised vdb was dropped.

 

[will10]

Apparently Jan Ghyselinck missed the time cut by four seconds

 

[barmaher]

Zubeldia has done very little the past few years, basically since he won the Tour de l'Ain.....although I think he may have ghosted his way to a Top 15 in the Dauphine last month.

 

[El Pistolero]

Apparently Jan Ghyselinck missed the time cut by four seconds

He ain't wearing a rainbow jersey, so out he is.

 

[Frosty]

Apparently Jan Ghyselinck missed the time cut by four seconds

Yeah, talk on the page below that he may be let off because of being blocked by something

http://www.wielerland.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22861&Itemid=282

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Why? You think that if you're 50 years old, then you could easily win a Tour?
There are riders like Leipheimer or Horner, who are like a good wine.
There are riders like Voigt, who are always the same.
There are riders, who are old int he age of 33-34-35.
There are riders, who are fulfilling their real level somewhere at the age of 30.

We are all different, but we can't say, that a rider who is able to reach the 5th position in the age of 26th will the same at the age of 35.The field in this Tour is weak. I like Zubeldia, but this not the position where he should be, with harder route, and more than 3 contender.

Just yes could have been an easier answer, you dont need to say alot to answer the question.

 

[RedheadDane]

Eh... according to the live-update from Danish TV2 Gyselinck did finish, but HD. Then got a dispensation...

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Think the top 10 looks a healthy one. What-ifs, trips n blips is an awful way to lead your life. By the way isn't strava wonderfully dangerous (different thread, I know).

 

[vcampbell]

Just yes could have been an easier answer, you dont need to say alot to answer the question.

It wasn't only for you. But I don't think it hurts you, if I wrote more than a "yes" in my answer.

 

[nesocip]

Zubeldia is the most unnoticeable rider in general, he was racking Tour top 5s and 10s with 0 tv exposure. Before, when he led euskaltel he would get dropped before 25-30 other riders, and then tempo his way up overtaking them and finishing 5-8 on almost every mountain stage with a pretty decent TT giving him enough to end up between 5-10 on almost every tour. Take out the guys that got suspended, you got him maybe even around podium place in 1-2 tours.

Very very consistent as well, i just remember him having 1 off day in what 7-8 tours where he featured in a prominent role.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Eh... according to the live-update from Danish TV2 Gyselinck did finish, but HD. Then got a dispensation...

Because an officer sent Gyselinck into the wrong direction, causing him to miss the time limit

 

[afpm90]

Zubeldia is the most unnoticeable rider in general, he was racking Tour top 5s and 10s with 0 tv exposure. Before, when he led euskaltel he would get dropped before 25-30 other riders, and then tempo his way up overtaking them and finishing 5-8 on almost every mountain stage with a pretty decent TT giving him enough to end up between 5-10 on almost every tour. Take out the guys that got suspended, you got him maybe even around podium place in 1-2 tours.

Very very consistent as well, i just remember him having 1 off day in what 7-8 tours where he featured in a prominent role.

In 8 tours, only 3 times he finished inside the top-10...

 

[nesocip]

In 8 tours, only 3 times he finished inside the top-10...

He was the GC guy in only 4 tours, usually patching up for their glorious leader Iban Mayo when hed get dropped on first cat 2 climb of the race.

 

[barmaher]

I was optimistic that this would be a good Tour. But Wiggins and Sky are too strong.

Realistically, we only have one entertaining stage left. Even if it is a belter, it is unlikely that this Tour will go down as anything but a mediocre Tour.

I think it is a shame. Other than the stage with the ridiculous 40km run-in at the weekend, the parcours hasn't been too bad. It could really have done with one more MTF to replace the stage on Friday. And they should have made Stage 1 more selective...this might have stopped some of the crashes in the first week. But it might not have.