2012 Tour de France: Stage 9: Arc-et-Senans → Besançon (ITT) (41.5 km)

[rghysens]

Did you care when OPQS were magically beyond everyone on cobbles ?

What do you mean with that? Boonen hanging on Pozzato's wheel for dear life on the Oude Kwaremont in the RVV and finishing around 1'40'' in front of Turgot in Paris-Roubaix? It wasn't exactly mapei 1995-1996-1998-1999.

Two riders on the same team performing like they never did before, although being way over 25 (Froome) or even 30(Wiggins) is something really different.

 

[perico]

contador's ban is not controversial - unless you are call alberto contador. armstrong was never a good tt rider, see indurain catching him for 3 mins in 1996. and you are insinuating that sky are doping, give it a rest. are you gonna call everyone who wins a cheat?

Actually, even in the clinic Contador's ban does cause some level of argument, the last time I checked, moreso than many other cases.

I said the parallels were similar, though not exactly the same. Armstrong was more of a classics rider who could ride a good TT on his day, though everyone always points out that he was caught for 3 minutes by Indurain one time (and Indurain was easily the best TTer of his generation).

And no, I'm not accusing anyone of being a cheat, at this point. I am not a big fan of Wiggins, but I don't dislike him. I'm just pointing out some of the parallels to that year.

 

[roundabout]

Oh, Pozzato and Turgot. Nothing suspicious ever came up on those 2 guys

 

[RHRH19861986]

Stop these clinic issues now... All complain about riders who don´t learn from the past, but fans also seem unwilling to learn. These discussions are the same we´ve had since 1998´s Festina days.

How insane can one be to believe Sky riders do so well because they dope and others don´t.

There´s a full clinics thread about Sky on CN forums for these issues.

Today, I only want to honour Wiggins and Sky in general.

 

[Thee_chisa]

Actually, even in the clinic Contador's ban does cause some level of argument, the last time I checked, moreso than many other cases.

I said the parallels were similar, though not exactly the same. Armstrong was more of a classics rider who could ride a good TT on his day, though everyone always points out that he was caught for 3 minutes by Indurain one time (and Indurain was easily the best TTer of his generation).

And no, I'm not accusing anyone of being a cheat, at this point. I am not a big fan of Wiggins, but I don't dislike him. I'm just pointing out some of the parallels to that year.

contador's ban is controversial amongst the armchair GT contenders! wow, their opinion carries weight!

 

[Thee_chisa]

a lot of people are talking like this is already over! still 2 more weeks, the alps and pyrenees! lots could happen. i wanna see some proper concerted attacks from evans and nibili.

 

[Ferminal]

How we are talking about cobbled classics and Contador I don't know.

The moderators will be going through the thread later and some will have the rest day off, and people should be wary of what they post in future stage threads.

 

[roundabout]

Never realized that "Pozzato" is a bad word now.

 

[kjetilraknerud]

Impressive from the Sky guys. This forum, however, is quite unimpressive. At least that's the impression I get from the last 15 pages - 15 pages filled with nonsense.

 

[Fetisoff]

Never realized that "Pozzato" is a bad word now.

I think it has been ever since that "Sidi" shoes commercial

 

[Gloin22]

Evans finished the EXACT same amount of time down on Wiggins as he did in the Dauphine.

What's funny about that ?

Every BMC ( dlwsonnic ) fan though Evans would close the gap in TT's especially as he wasn't at his peak at Dauphine just yet

This pic summarizes Cade's TT today I believe

 

[Gloin22]

"Couple of years ago every1 was laughing at @TeamSky for doing million things trying to improve performance, now when they're flying it's very easy to say they must be doing something... Yes, they r, training, nutrition, dedication, etc. well deserved".

Brajkovic

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Impressive from the Sky guys. This forum, however, is quite unimpressive. At least that's the impression I get from the last 15 pages - 15 pages filled with nonsense.

What do you mean?

 

[Thee_chisa]

Impressive from the Sky guys. This forum, however, is quite unimpressive. At least that's the impression I get from the last 15 pages - 15 pages filled with nonsense.

+1. sour grapes. remember that evans is quite old and coming to the end of his career, todays TT had a lot of climbing so cancellara did well to get the position he did, and SKY are totally obsessed with winning the tour. everything wiggins et al have been doing all year is for this.

 

[guncha]

It looks like USPS tour with Lance Armstrong. Multiple climb stages have not been ridden but I don't think Wiggins be dropped there - he is too good in this Tour. Possibly the presentation of the route of next TDF will be more exciting than the remaining part of this TDF...

 

[kjetilraknerud]

What do you mean?

Sour grapes, off-topic posts, clinic matters etc. The quality of posts has been going down for a while, but with the Sky dominance the forum has really lost it. At least that's my opinion.

 

[Froome19]

The people who claimed that Wiggins had peacked to early at the Dauphine and that riders like Cadel were going to catch up with them were entirely wrong.

In fact Wiggins has improved more so than Evans since the Dauphine and indeed basically everyone of his competitors (besides Chavanel I think) as he beat Evans by the same time which he beat him in the Dauphine just on a longer course therefore if he would have ridden the same course today he would have most likely put more time into Evans, it is worrying for Evans who was not capable of taking any real time out of Wiggins on the climbs even though they were limited.

Especially Stages 10 and 16 which are similar to the Joux Plane stage and Stage 10 is very similar to the Colombier stage in the Dauphine even if a bit harder after yesterday's assured showing by Sky that leaves Cadel requiring around 4 minutes from Stages 11 and 17, the way Wiggins and Froome have been climbing so far that seems like an extraordinarily tall order.

 

[El Pistolero]

"Couple of years ago every1 was laughing at @TeamSky for doing million things trying to improve performance, now when they're flying it's very easy to say they must be doing something... Yes, they r, training, nutrition, dedication, etc. well deserved".

Brajkovic

You mean the guy where Bruyneel put his faith in for a couple of years?

 

[ggusta]

Cadel and Nibbles need to work as allies if they are going to crack UKPS

They can align with some other stage hunters to aid them getting time back. But is there enough opportunities to make time back even if that worked? sky is now the new york yankees. at least for the this tdf.

 

[Escarabajo]

+1. sour grapes. remember that evans is quite old and coming to the end of his career, todays TT had a lot of climbing so cancellara did well to get the position he did, and SKY are totally obsessed with winning the tour. everything wiggins et al have been doing all year is for this.

Puff, for a moment I thought the other GT contenders (Menchov, Nibali, Zubeldia, JvdB, Schleck, Kloden, etc) were the only ones obsessed with winning the Tour.

Your statement make no sense at all. None.

 

[jens_attacks]

I'm glad you can judge from a 16 minute effort on the very first climb of the entire race.

Figures were not spectacular in context.

mate, they went fast and that's what they are paid for to do
you don't have to find them an excuse
i don't watch for 6 hours guys blacking out when they hit a climb.professional sport means evolution.better medical care,better technology,better biochemistry,better everything

it wasn't at all just a 16 minutes effort,from the crossroad d97-d16 to the top they went at 27.50 km/h.it is relevant because ebh went at something like around 600 watts on that easy climbing part until the official start of the climb.when they arrived,the peloton was already destroyed.
plus they went at a devastating pace on the uncategorised climb.
also stage with some nice climbing meters at 40 km/h




man i'm curious how alberto will handle froomy,cobo and quintana in the vuelta.that will be fun

 

[Fight.The.Power]

i still don't understand why do you guys think Evans will lose time

Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

 

[Fergoose]

Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

Foresight is even better.

 

[MonteZoncolan]

Evans finished the EXACT same amount of time down on Wiggins as he did in the Dauphine.

Dauphine was 53k approx. Today was 43k.
Not like for like really i think.
Same with form.

 

[burning]

Foresight is even better.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=931857#post931857

Does this count?