2012 Tour of California May 18 stage 7: Ontario - Mt. Baldy 126 km

[CQmanager]

If you are in a two man breakaway and you dont want to do any work. 9 out of 10 times you not going to win because you will get caught so either you race to win or you are just a pack fodder. I really dislike this type of racing .... thats all

 

[CQmanager]

This is how you race!

 

[Don Johnson]

Horner is the man!!!! He is a throwback to the old school, 'Iron men on steel bikes days.' yesterday Chris spoke with his legs!!!!!

 

[mastersracer]

Horner is the man!!!! He is a throwback to the old school, 'Iron men on steel bikes days.' yesterday Chris spoke with his legs!!!!!

if the roles were reversed, Horner would have sat on his wheel too and then attacked for the stage win.

 

[Angliru]

Sky were wrong.

Atapuma was wrong.

Horner was right.

Sky had no idea what Froome was capable of in the 3rd week of a grand tour and were thus correct.

Atapuma finished ahead of Horner in the mix for the win. Arguably Atapuma made the smarter decision.

Horner was bitter over his efforts going for naught and took the Schleck route and deflected the blame on the young Colombian.

 

[Angliru]

He was right that it was wrong for Atapuma not to work.

He never said that Atapuma didn't work, just that he supposedly didn't work as much as Horner did. You imply that Atapuma simply sat on Horner's wheel the entire time which even according to Horner that wasn't the case.

 

[Angliru]

I don't think it was tactics to beat Horner in the stage, I think Atapuma saved his energy for a stage win, selfish and for the team yes, team tactics.Makes Coldportes look good.
If he had worked with Horner, they would have both died like Horner did.
Typical Hincapie move by Atapuma.

So what you're saying is that since Atapuma was riding for the best interests of team and himself and not Horner that he's the bad guy here? Is it tactics or not? You say it isn't and then say it is team tactics.

It appears from the results that Atapuma's/Coldportes strategy/tactics were superior to Horner's/Shack's considering he was still there in the end battling for the stage win while Horner and Shack valiantly failed to advance Horner in the gc nor get the stage win.

 

[Don Johnson]

if the roles were reversed, Horner would have sat on his wheel too and then attacked for the stage win.

Maybe, but I haven't seen Chris ride that way.

 

[Kwibus]

If you are in a two man breakaway and you dont want to do any work. 9 out of 10 times you not going to win because you will get caught so either you race to win or you are just a pack fodder. I really dislike this type of racing .... thats all

Atapuma did plenty of work. Sure Horner did more, but it's not nearly 9 out of 10 times.
Atapuma went for the stage and Horner for the GC. It's a normal cycling situation. Ofcourse if you cheer for the guy that does most work it sucks, but it's how cycling is.

 

[Froome19]

He never said that Atapuma didn't work, just that he supposedly didn't work as much as Horner did. You imply that Atapuma simply sat on Horner's wheel the entire time which even according to Horner that wasn't the case.

I think my point was pretty clear and it is not affected by the exact degree to which Atapuma worked, bottom line is he did not work enough as he should have .

 

[jens_attacks]

This is how you race!

what a hero!also jensy and the other shack guys setting him up,magnificent!

slow down guys,chris had a lot of good words for the colombians.
it was one of those cases in which both of them(chris and darwin) were right. both of their arguments are pretty logical.

 

[Angliru]

I think my point was pretty clear and it is not affected by the exact degree to which Atapuma worked, bottom line is he did not work enough as he should have .

In one rider's and your opinion. He seemed to have worked enough to come closer to achieving his own objectives than Horner. My point is that it seems a bit of sour grapes for Horner to toss the blame for his failure onto Atapuma who did work, just apparently not enough for Horner to regain a decent position in the gc which really shouldn't be any of Atapuma's concern in the first place.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Are there any hiighlights for this stage not dailymotion ones.

 

[Froome19]

In one rider's and your opinion. He seemed to have worked enough to come closer to achieving his own objectives than Horner. My point is that it seems a bit of sour grapes for Horner to toss the blame for his failure onto Atapuma who did work, just apparently not enough for Horner to regain a decent position in the gc which really shouldn't be any of Atapuma's concern in the first place.

And not enough for the break (ie. himself) to stay away and win the stage himself.

If you are riding in a breakaway you want to ride enough that you can win the stage, otherwise there is not point in riding at all.

Horner's point is nothing got to do with Horner himself but the fact that Atapuma jepoardised the break's ,in general, chances of winning by not working enough, if you have the strength to do it you should. Of course I am not blaming Atapuma as I believe he acted out of inexperience but never the less it was the wrong thing to do.

 

[Froome19]

Are there any hiighlights for this stage not dailymotion ones.

cant find very thorough ones just some brief 2/3 minute ones:
http://www.steephill.tv/players/eur...hboard=tour-of-california&id=29350715&yr=2012
&
http://www.steephill.tv/players/720...ur-of-california&id=47491874,33399756&yr=2012

 

[theyoungest]

Someone uploaded the whole climb.

Pretty crappy quality at times, but it's watchable.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Thank you.

 

[Dutchsmurf]

And not enough for the break (ie. himself) to stay away and win the stage himself.

But only almost. If Gesink was a little less good, it would have worked. We are talking about a small difference after all. So you are talking about taking one extra turn, not a change of tactics. Atapuma's tactics were sound. But just as always when you are in a break, you need a little luck.

 

[Froome19]

But only almost. If Gesink was a little less good, it would have worked. We are talking about a small difference after all. So you are talking about taking one extra turn, not a change of tactics. Atapuma's tactics were sound. But just as always when you are in a break, you need a little luck.

And if he had taken say 4 more turns he would have been guaranteed to stay away.

 

[Mellow Velo]

And if he had taken say 4 more turns he would have been guaranteed to stay away.

Captain Hindsight?
Who's to say what four more turns would have taken out of him...
Horner was attempting to regain a load of time and his title.
Atapuma had one goal: to win the stage.
I'm surprised Atapuma did as much as he did.
Atapuma's tactics cannot be criticised.

Some serious sour grapes.

Horner didn't lose the race on Baldy, but in the ITT.

 

[theyoungest]

It was a great move by Horner and the Shacks, but realistically it was never going to work. Maybe if he'd just stayed in the peloton he could have actually won on Baldy, his legs certainly seemed to be okay.

I know what he really wanted was the overall, but come on... he'd lost that in Bakersfield.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

No love for TJVG??

Does anyone give him a chance to stick with Gesink tomorrow??

I do.

TJVG to hang in there and limit his loses well and win ATOC!!!

I say Velits for the overall, and Danielson for the win on Baldy.

Gesink just isn't there yet, and the climb doesn't suit Van Garderen at all.

Gesink didn't look comfortable on the Big Bear stage near the end, I don't expect him to do well to be honest.

Arnout tends to point out how bad Gesink looks at every race he does, that's nothing new

Basically you can't gauge anything from his suffer face, it's nearly always there. During his worst performances, and during his best ones.

Lol why do you always make things up? I was talking about his position in the peloton and the way he rode...

I was not talking about the sprint by the way, but about the ascent.

My main man Tejay is going to climb very well today. Very, very well.

Nah, Crash Bandicoot will mess this up again.

My work here is done

 

[El Pistolero]

Crash Bandicoot messed up here. You'll only realize it in 2 months time though.

 

[Moviefan1203]

My work here is done

Just curious, but why such the dislike for poor Tejay?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Huh? No dislike for Teejay, just general quotes before the race that are funny in hindsight (that's why the Captain Hindsight picture)

A lot of them are Van Garderen quotes, but I didn't search them out. They were simply there in number