2013 Tirreno - Adriatico

[jens_attacks]

If it's a regular climb around 7% it's not that steep and ok for Tony.


Crans Montana 2009 for example.
Similar climb in terms of length and gradient.

very good point. Tony FTW!!!

Crans-Montana
2009-7,6km@5,5%---15:40---average speed 29.11 km/h(Frank Schleck-Fabian Cancellara-Roman Kreuziger etc)

Prati di Tivo
2012:14,7 km@7,0%---38:56---average speed 22.50 km/h(Vincenzo Nibali)


panzerwagen will slaughter them on this rouleur climb

 

[jens_attacks]

now seriously i'd like it to happen but it seems like tony will never take the risks to lose weight and improve his climbing. which is a bit sad cause it's doable

 

[Netserk]

If it's a regular climb around 7% it's not that steep and ok for Tony.


Crans Montana 2009 for example.
Similar climb in terms of length and gradient.

The climb where he distanced Canc with 2 sec?

 

[Bavarianrider]

now seriously i'd like it to happen but it seems like tony will never take the risks to lose weight and improve his climbing. which is a bit sad cause it's doable

Don't think so. In my opinion there's not really a way Tony loses weight.
It's not like he isn't super slim if he's in top shape. He simply is a "heavy legs" type of guy. His strength is derieved from his muscular legs. If he looses those muscleses, he'll lose all his strength.
Tony is 74 Kilos in shape. That's only 2 kilos more then last years Giro winner. Tonys weight isn't the problem. It's his muscular legs that need too much oxygen for multiple mountain stages.

 

[Netserk]

very good point. Tony FTW!!!

Crans-Montana
2009-7,6km@5,5%---15:40---average speed 29.11 km/h(Frank Schleck-Fabian Cancellara-Roman Kreuziger etc)

Prati di Tivo
2012:14,7 km@7,0%---38:56---average speed 22.50 km/h(Vincenzo Nibali)


panzerwagen will slaughter them on this rouleur climb

Hi Jens.

On your blog there is only posted times of climbs that have been raced recently, so I wonder if there is a place where all your other times are

Your blog (at least the one I know)

 

[Miburo]

If it's a regular climb around 7% it's not that steep and ok for Tony.


Crans Montana 2009 for example.
Similar climb in terms of length and gradient.

You didn't give me a correct example.

I'm asking for climbs where he was equal with the likes of Contador. Because that's what you claim, that he's able to follow these guys.

Don't bring up a mountain stage of a stage race that canc won

Btw it's 7 km shorter and 1.5% less. You're trolling, you must be

 

[jens_attacks]

Hi Jens.

On your blog there is only posted times of climbs that have been raced recently, so I wonder if there is a place where all your other times are

Your blog (at least the one I know)

no but i will post them in time. and only when they will race up that certain climb

and to be on topic, any idea on papy horner's fitness? him up in the pedals up prati di tivo was a pleasure to watch last year. beautiful style

 

[Parrulo]

how is crans montana "similar" to prato di tivo when it's 7kms shorter so half the length of prato di tivo and 1.5% less steep in average?

you live in a very cool world BR

 

[Bavarianrider]

how is crans montana "similar" to prato di tivo when it's 7kms shorter so half the length of prato di tivo and 1.5% less steep in average?

you live in a very cool world BR

There are generaly only a few types of climbs. (Exluding classic type hills)

Very long with modest gradients: ca 17km + with average gradient below 7,5%
Long with medium gradients: ca 12km + with up to 8,5 average gardients
Long and stee:. ca 6km + with more then 8,% average gradient
Short and steep. ca 6km max with more then 8,5% avarage.
Medium long with medium gradients: ca 7-15km with 5-7,5% gardients
Short with medium gradients: ca 7km max with 7,5gradient max
Short with ow gradients: ca 7km max wit 5% gardient max.

 

[Miburo]

There are generaly only a few types of climbs. (Exluding classic type hills)

Very long with modest gradients: ca 17km + with average gradient below 7,5%
Long with medium gradients: ca 12km + with up to 8,5 average gardients
Long and stee:. ca 6km + with more then 8,% average gradient
Short and steep. ca 6km max with more then 8,5% avarage.
Medium long with medium gradients: ca 7-15km with 5-7,5% gardients
Short with medium gradients: ca 7km max with 7,5gradient max
Short with ow gradients: ca 7km max wit 5% gardient max.

So they're the same LOL

Great list.

 

[Dedelou]

There are generaly only a few types of climbs. (Exluding classic type hills)

Very long with modest gradients: ca 17km + with average gradient below 7,5%
Long with medium gradients: ca 12km + with up to 8,5 average gardients
Long and stee:. ca 6km + with more then 8,% average gradient
Short and steep. ca 6km max with more then 8,5% avarage.
Medium long with medium gradients: ca 7-15km with 5-7,5% gardients
Short with medium gradients: ca 7km max with 7,5gradient max
Short with ow gradients: ca 7km max wit 5% gardient max.

to have a 7,5% average over 17 km you have to have a number of pretty nasty percentage along the route. Take a climb like Tourmalet for example you will find several sections at list 1 KM long at 9.5 or 10 % grade. Those sections allows the true climbers to make a difference with the big guy who plug along on the strength of their big legs.

 

[The Hitch]

to have a 7,5% average over 17 km you have to have a number of pretty nasty percentage along the route. Take a climb like Tourmalet for example you will find several sections at list 1 KM long at 9.5 or 10 % grade. Those sections allows the true climbers to make a difference with the big guy who plug along on the strength of their big legs.

Finestre on the other hand which is about the same length actually is just 1 constant gradient throughout. The gradient stays within a point of the 9.2 average for pretty much the whole climb.

 

[Miburo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edqy2nfenPU&feature=youtu.be

Not really digging the trailer. The one of the giro was 10 times more awesome.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edqy2nfenPU&feature=youtu.be

Not really digging the trailer. The one of the giro was 10 times more awesome.

I like it, voiceover a bit OTT but clearly better than using Evans squeaky sound bites.

 

[JRanton]

http://www.letour.fr/2013/PNC/RIDERS/us/engages.html

Just looking at the provisional starters for Paris-Nice it looks like Saxo will have a stronger TTT at Tirreno than Sky. Contador will have Rogers, Boaro, Bennati and 4 others whilst Froome will just have Cataldo plus a bunch of non-specialists (Uran, Henao, Knees, Kennaugh, Dombrowski +1 other).

 

[Dazed and Confused]

http://www.letour.fr/2013/PNC/RIDERS/us/engages.html

Just looking at the provisional starters for Paris-Nice it looks like Saxo will have a stronger TTT at Tirreno than Sky. Contador will have Rogers, Boaro, Bennati and 4 others whilst Froome will just have Cataldo plus a bunch of non-specialists (Uran, Henao, Knees, Kennaugh, Dombrowski +1 other).

well, sounds like the script is pretty clear: Froome will have to drop Contador on the climbs to win the race.

 

[LaFlorecita]

well, sounds like the script is pretty clear: Froome will have to drop Contador on the climbs to win the race.

Or win time in the tt

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://www.letour.fr/2013/PNC/RIDERS/us/engages.html

Just looking at the provisional starters for Paris-Nice it looks like Saxo will have a stronger TTT at Tirreno than Sky. Contador will have Rogers, Boaro, Bennati and 4 others whilst Froome will just have Cataldo plus a bunch of non-specialists (Uran, Henao, Knees, Kennaugh, Dombrowski +1 other).

I am happy, finally a good ttt team for Alberto and he might even be able to get an advantage on some other favorites

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Or win time in the tt

It would be stupid to bank on a 9km TT against Contador who wants revenge from Oman.

 

[JRanton]

It would be stupid to bank on a 9km TT against Contador who wants revenge from Oman.

Yup. He'll use the Colombians to try and set something up on Di Tivo.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Yup. He'll use the Colombians to try and set something up on Di Tivo.

Likely race winner will take that stage. But then again a true champion could set in a brave attack on stage 5 on Passo L and use the descend for a 15-20s gap (+ bonus secs) win. Paging Nibali with some friends.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Likely race winner will take that stage. But then again a true champion could set in a brave attack on stage 5 on Passo L and use the descend for a 15-20s gap (+ bonus secs) win. Paging Nibali with some friends.

I am sure Alberto will attack on Lanciano if he's still not in the lead though you could doubt if that would be the smartest thing to do since he is one of the more explosive guys.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I am sure Alberto will attack on Lanciano if he's still not in the lead though you could doubt if that would be the smartest thing to do since he is one of the more explosive guys.

If Contador is behind and waits for Chieti on stage 5, he will likely be beaten by J-Rod and perhaps Evans and hence losing out on critical bonus secs. Gaps will be minimal too. Parcours looks very fine indeed, but now the riders must deliver the show.

 

[Winterfold]

http://www.letour.fr/2013/PNC/RIDERS/us/engages.html

Just looking at the provisional starters for Paris-Nice it looks like Saxo will have a stronger TTT at Tirreno than Sky. Contador will have Rogers, Boaro, Bennati and 4 others whilst Froome will just have Cataldo plus a bunch of non-specialists (Uran, Henao, Knees, Kennaugh, Dombrowski +1 other).

9 km isn't it?

but I would still go with Saxo - Rogers switching to Saxo will have a huge impact on the Tour and any other Froome vs Contador stage races this year IMO

 

[Froome19]

http://www.letour.fr/2013/PNC/RIDERS/us/engages.html

Just looking at the provisional starters for Paris-Nice it looks like Saxo will have a stronger TTT at Tirreno than Sky. Contador will have Rogers, Boaro, Bennati and 4 others whilst Froome will just have Cataldo plus a bunch of non-specialists (Uran, Henao, Knees, Kennaugh, Dombrowski +1 other).

You would be surprised as to how much a well drilled squad matters when racing a TTT. Rather than the actual squad. See BMC in the 2011 Tour. Of course the talent of the squad matters but not as much as you would think. Froome, Knees, Kennaugh and Cataldo is good enough to be a match for Rogers, Boaro, Bennati and Contador. Saxo probably just eek it out, but if that was all there was to TTT then it would be a boring affair.