2013 Vuelta a España, Stage 10: Torredelcampo → Alto Hazallanas (186,8 km)

[fraserhughes]

Yes, Zeits is in the break!

Not any more, I'm afraid. New break:

39. Tomasz Marczynski (Pol), Vacansoleil-DCM, at 7:47
46. Diego Ulissi (Ita), Lampre-Merida, at 16:01
60. Georg Preidler (Aut), Argos-Shimano, at 25:22
67. Gianni Meersman (Bel), Omega Pharma-Quick Step, at 29:44
76. Juan Antonio Flecha Giannoni (Spa), Vacansoleil-DCM, at 33:11
80. Stef Clement (Ned), Belkin, at 35:51
88. Maciej Paterski (Pol), Cannondale, at 39:59
96. Juan Jose Oroz Ugalde (Spa), Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 44:16
123. Martin Kohler (Swi), BMC, at 59:11
150. Nico Sijmens (Bel), Cofidis, at 1:09:10

Think this one might be allowed clear.

 

[Flamin]

Super hard pace so far by the looks of it. Carnage awaits us on Hazallanas.

 

[del1962]

Andy Fenn out

 

[Flamin]

That's no 5 already. Also Busche and Luisle receiving medical treatment.

 

[jens_attacks]

hopefully we gonna catch live the start of monachil. at this pace, there will be carnage for sure. i'm afraid for konig

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Super hard pace so far by the looks of it. Carnage awaits us on Hazallanas.

Presumably it will calm down for a while now that a not very threatening break has been established.

 

[Rollthedice]

liveciclismo ‏@liveciclismo 3m
#LaVuelta / Losada y Fenn no abandonaron, fueron expulsados por agarrarse a los vehiculos

Disqualified?

 

[michaeldaddow]

Top 5 for the stage:
1. Samuel Sanchez
2. Joaquim Rodriguez
3. Alejandro Valverde
4. Ivan Basso
5. Sergio Henao

 

[willbick]

Can i ask a dumb question? (Yeah yeah, why change the habit of a lifetime etc etc)

Why was the original break not allowed to go?

It seems that often when there is a rider in a break who is maybe a few minutes off GC it isnt allowed to go, but this is usually when its not a top rider, so its not as if the guy is gonna be a serious GC threat come the end of the race. Somebody plz enlighten me!

 

[Netserk]

Can i ask a dumb question? (Yeah yeah, why change the habit of a lifetime etc etc)

Why was the original break not allowed to go?

Too strong and dangerous. Had team mates of both Nibali and Valverde, and riders (relatively) close in GC.

 

[Arredondo]

Other sources say that De Gendt and Fenn are disqualified.

 

[De Snelle Duif]

De Gendt also disqualified

 

[del1962]

De Gent and Fenn sent home for holding team cars

 

[Carols]

Ah the day has arrived when the true contenders to the crown are revealed. Those not strong enough need not apply!

Hoping for a RoboBasso day He will get creamed in the TT so needs to make an impression today in order to remain in podium contention!

Nibs to lose minor time. Not enough to hamper his long term chances though

 

[Carols]

De Gent and Fenn sent home for holding team cars

Oh My!!!! Cracking down, they are.

 

[wirral]

It's revenge for Lastras being disqualified from the Eneco Tour.

One Belg from a Dutch team and one Belg team rider.

 

[willbick]

Too strong and dangerous. Had team mates of both Nibali and Valverde, and riders (relatively) close in GC.

Thanks for yr reply. I would like to know exactly how it is dangerous? If their are team mates of nibs and valv then i suppose that means that astana and movistar are not obliged to chase and so they would get an easy day. Is it really possible that a strong break could lead to some guy finishing like 10 mins in front of the GC contenders? Its all a bit confusing for me!

P.s. if the break is considered 'too strong' then how come t hey can chase it down without too much difficulty? (I am assuming most of the work was done by katusha and radioshack and maybe saxo?)

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Thanks for yr reply. I would like to know exactly how it is dangerous? If their are team mates of nibs and valv then i suppose that means that astana and movistar are not obliged to chase and so they would get an easy day. Is it really possible that a strong break could lead to some guy finishing like 10 mins in front of the GC contenders? Its all a bit confusing for me!

P.s. if the break is considered 'too strong' then how come t hey can chase it down without too much difficulty? (I am assuming most of the work was done by katusha and radioshack and maybe saxo?)

If Nibali or Valverde desided to attack on the second to last mountain for example. It is very important to have team mates up the rode to pace them for as much of the way as possible (not that I think they would have done that today anyways)

 

[willbick]

Hmmm im not sure about this mountain 'pacing' thing tbh. I cant see that they get much advantage at all, its not like being paced at high speed on the flat in the slipstream. Whenever i've seen a GC guy on the attack in the mountains and he catches up his teammate, he's far too tired from being in the break all day to offer any more than token assistance. If a guy is a strong climber in good form then he really needs little help from teammates imo, apart from getting water and food i suppose

 

[willbick]

I suppose they could help to pace them on the downhills and flat between climbs. I guess it worked for contador on the fuente de stage of last years vuelta but that was a funny business imo

 

[Parrulo]

Hmmm im not sure about this mountain 'pacing' thing tbh. I cant see that they get much advantage at all, its not like being paced at high speed on the flat in the slipstream. Whenever i've seen a GC guy on the attack in the mountains and he catches up his teammate, he's far too tired from being in the break all day to offer any more than token assistance. If a guy is a strong climber in good form then he really needs little help from teammates imo, apart from getting water and food i suppose

Maybe its time to buy a bike i guess. . .

Obviously on % higher than 15 or so the effects of drafting are reduced, but below that they are very important. Remember that the pros climb at incredible speeds.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Hmmm im not sure about this mountain 'pacing' thing tbh. I cant see that they get much advantage at all, its not like being paced at high speed on the flat in the slipstream. Whenever i've seen a GC guy on the attack in the mountains and he catches up his teammate, he's far too tired from being in the break all day to offer any more than token assistance. If a guy is a strong climber in good form then he really needs little help from teammates imo, apart from getting water and food i suppose

in a mountain with a below 8% average, pacing is effective. Get a speed around 20km/h on a bike and you'll feel it. You could also see hee the other day where Cancellara draged Horner up to Busche before Busche started working for many kms, so they are not allways tired.

 

[jonjungel]

Hmmm im not sure about this mountain 'pacing' thing tbh. I cant see that they get much advantage at all, its not like being paced at high speed on the flat in the slipstream. Whenever i've seen a GC guy on the attack in the mountains and he catches up his teammate, he's far too tired from being in the break all day to offer any more than token assistance. If a guy is a strong climber in good form then he really needs little help from teammates imo, apart from getting water and food i suppose

Let's say Valverde attacks on the Monachil and catches him teammate over the top of that climb. Then the teammate will pace him as long as he can, at least to the bottom of the final climb. This is the ideal scenario.

 

[Cyivel]

I suppose they could help to pace them on the downhills and flat between climbs. I guess it worked for contador on the fuente de stage of last years vuelta but that was a funny business imo

 

[willbick]

Ok thanks guys, food for thought. One last question - do u think katusha wudda preferred moreno to be 1 sec behind on GC rather than in red?