2013 WC in Firenze - Who will win?

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Who will win the Elite Men road race in Firenze?

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Dekker_Tifosi

Dekker_Tifosi

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gooner said:
Don't know how anyone can put Gesink's chances ahead of Dan Martin's here.
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Form. Gesink has just been awesome in Canada, on a hard course similar to the worlds.
Dan Martin had a hard fall in the Vuelta and is probably not so close to his LBL winning form

Quite easy actually. People like you don't understand form, at all..
 
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theyoungest

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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Form. Gesink has just been awesome in Canada, on a hard course similar to the worlds.
Dan Martin had a hard fall in the Vuelta and is probably not so close to his LBL winning form

Quite easy actually. People like you don't understand form, at all..
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Dan Martin looked ok in the Tour of Britain today. And in fairness, Gesink hasn't done anything in a real classic in the last 3 years or so. Dan Martin certainly has.
 
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maltiv

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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Form. Gesink has just been awesome in Canada, on a hard course similar to the worlds.
Dan Martin had a hard fall in the Vuelta and is probably not so close to his LBL winning form

Quite easy actually. People like you don't understand form, at all..
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That is cool and all, but Dan Martin will finish ahead of him nonetheless. How many times hasn't Gesink showed form in America without being able to produce anything close in Europe?

Anyhow, the course suits Dan Martin much better. He has more endurance, more explosiveness, a much better finish, and, most importantly, he is a winner. Gesink could definitely end up being much stronger and still finish far behind due to tactical failures, crashes or whatever happens to him in every big race.
 
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theyoungest

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maltiv said:
That is cool and all, but Dan Martin will finish ahead of him nonetheless. How many times hasn't Gesink showed form in America without being able to produce anything close in Europe?
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Never. In 2010 he won Montreal, and went on to win Emilia in Europe. The following day his father died, and his season was over.

In 2011 he finished 2nd in Quebec. The next week he broke his leg, and his season was over.

In 2012 he won California, and finished 4th in Suisse (had a bad day on the first mountain stage, otherwise he could have won).
 
Dekker_Tifosi

Dekker_Tifosi

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maltiv said:
That is cool and all, but Dan Martin will finish ahead of him nonetheless. How many times hasn't Gesink showed form in America without being able to produce anything close in Europe?

Anyhow, the course suits Dan Martin much better. He has more endurance, more explosiveness, a much better finish, and, most importantly, he is a winner. Gesink could definitely end up being much stronger and still finish far behind due to tactical failures, crashes or whatever happens to him in every big race.
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Lets take an avatar bet then. I say Gesink finishes in front of D. Martin... and if he does, you'll take a Gesink avatar. Other way around I take an avatar of your choice

Also, Gesink actually beat Dan Martin in Emilia 2010 by finishing him off in the uphill sprint on San Luca in Bologna. A race maybe shorter than a real classic, but hard as hell with the San Luca so many times in the final
 
gooner

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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Form. Gesink has just been awesome in Canada, on a hard course similar to the worlds.
Dan Martin had a hard fall in the Vuelta and is probably not so close to his LBL winning form

Quite easy actually. People like you don't understand form, at all..
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More like people like yourself getting a nosebleed. Dan Martin looked in good shape to me today alongside Quintana. Short memories, short memories. Gesink may have won in Quebec but Martin has a lot more pedigree on a course like this. That can't be dismissed. His LBL win was against a higher class field. He would have won F-W this year only for his starting position being all wrong.
 
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theyoungest said:
Never. In 2010 he won Montreal, and went on to win Emilia in Europe. The following day his father died, and his season was over.

In 2011 he finished 2nd in Quebec. The next week he broke his leg, and his season was over.

In 2012 he won California, and finished 4th in Suisse (had a bad day on the first mountain stage, otherwise he could have won).
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Ok. Well, that's 2 times, not never. Introduce Gesink to roads that aren't 150 meters wide and he crashes :p

1 good result in an entire season and suddenly the Dutch think he's a worlds favourite...crazy. If Montreal/Quebec is that representative, then Vichot should be on this poll as well. He was 1 spot behind Geisnk in Quebec, and 1 spot ahead of him in Montreal ;)
 
gooner

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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Lets take an avatar bet then. I say Gesink finishes in front of D. Martin... and if he does, you'll take a Gesink avatar. Other way around I take an avatar of your choice

Also, Gesink actually beat Dan Martin in Emilia 2010 by finishing him off in the uphill sprint on San Luca in Bologna. A race maybe shorter than a real classic, but hard as hell with the San Luca so many times in the final
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I won't be online until later on again but I'll take it. You take my Martin avatar(the one I use)if I win and I'll take a Gesink one if your choice of you win.

Deal?

Friendly bet for interest.
 
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maltiv

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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Lets take an avatar bet then. I say Gesink finishes in front of D. Martin... and if he does, you'll take a Gesink avatar. Other way around I take an avatar of your choice

Also, Gesink actually beat Dan Martin in Emilia 2010 by finishing him off in the uphill sprint on San Luca in Bologna. A race maybe shorter than a real classic, but hard as hell with the San Luca so many times in the final
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Sure. I'm a fan of Gesink anyway, so I don't mind. You can take an Oskar Svendsen avatar in that case ;)
 
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theyoungest

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maltiv said:
Ok. Well, that's 2 times, not never. Introduce Gesink to roads that aren't 150 meters wide and he crashes :p
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He crashed just once in the last 18 months or so. That's not a lot...

1 good result in an entire season and suddenly the Dutch think he's a worlds favourite...crazy. If Montreal/Quebec is that representative, then Vichot should be on this poll as well. He was 1 spot behind Geisnk in Quebec, and 1 spot ahead of him in Montreal ;)
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Yeah, Vichot was every bit as impressive as Gesink :rolleyes:

I don't consider Gesink a Worlds favourite BTW. Dekker_T does, but he has unlimited trust in the guy :p
 
Netserk

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The Hitch said:
Some riders who could perform in Liege and Lombardia never bother with it. They might care more for worlds so should be considered. Cancellara is a classic example. Never tried Liege yet strongest rider in Mendrisio.
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No, just no.

Canc is a monster, but he'll get dropped on a hill like Saint Nicolas alone, not to mention Roche-aux-faucons. The final climb is even harder in Lombardia.
 
Afrank

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TomasC said:
This actually might be a very good bet.
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From Dan Martin himself.
“I seem to remember a certain Mr Cavendish, who pulled out of the Vuelta early on in 2011 [stage four – ed.], and then he went on to do the Tour of Britain and then won the worlds."
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He could indeed be a very good bet. Plus he doesn't have top favorite status of guys like Purio, Nibali, Cance, etc. So might not be marked as much.
 
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Netserk said:
No, just no.

Canc is a monster, but he'll get dropped on a hill like Saint Nicolas alone, not to mention Roche-aux-faucons. The final climb is even harder in Lombardia.
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Yup. In Worlds, however, the long climb isn't too steep for Cancellara, and the steep climb isn't too long. In addition, it'll be a lot easier to regain contact on that course then it is in LBL, where you're pretty much screwed if you get dropped at any point.
 
The Hitch

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gooner said:
More like people like yourself getting a nosebleed. Dan Martin looked in good shape to me today alongside Quintana. Short memories, short memories. Gesink may have won in Quebec but Martin has a lot more pedigree on a course like this. That can't be dismissed. His LBL win was against a higher class field. He would have won F-W this year only for his starting position being all wrong.
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As far as fw goes morenos position was also all wrong as he had a puncture near the end too.

Or at least that's what Dan Martin said when the question was put to him whether he would have won fw without the puncture in the interview after lbl I think you linked.
 
Pippo_San

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The diet of the clear (clean?) winner!

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Samson777

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Netserk said:
Not really.

It's also far harder to improve in classics without actually racing any (or only racing a very limited amount) compared to stage races.
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He won the antanomic Jock race, if that is not a sign off a future classic star, I don't know what is..:p It's not like he was ever close to winning a GT before the Vuelta:eek:

Anyway with the power Froome can produce, and considering the commercial value for SKY and British Cycling getting a world Champion and a UCI President:p

I think it would be ridiculous not to keep an eye out for Froome in Firenze..
 
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