2014 Cleanest Peloton Ever

[Benotti69]

I agree with this view too. Riis is not bad because he doped as a rider (OK, yes, that was bad, but morality is diluted when everybody does something and there's no punishment), but because of what he did as a team manager. While Cenghialta, as an important Gewiss rider, probably used enough EPO to keep several hospitals supplied for years, we don't know that he'd do the same as a DS.

That's on a purely theoretical level. In practice, the guy's going to work for a team that's already shady as hell.

No it is not.

 

[Franklin]

No it is not.

That's very definite... not only do morals change over years, his morals are not yours. And yes, "they all did it" is a mechanism how morals are changed (see weed use in Holland, or acceptance of alcohol consumption, etc. etc). Also, the morals of person change (marginally) from the situation he/she is in. Nobody is immune to outside influence, nor so rigid.

What's helping your point here though is that being a cheater is quite objective and that does have a very strong moral connection. Hard to deny this one

 

[the sceptic]

Which generation does this Golakhour guy belong to?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Finally, the peloton has discovered that reducing your weight to that of a duck and losing no power doing so is the recipe for winning. I wonder why nobody ever figured this out before?

Boonen looks Wigans thin. Stupid fattie, he could have been a TdF champion if he'd discovered this secret sooner...heck the entire OPQS team finally discovered this secret.

Clean racing. Believe in it!

 

[the sceptic]

Sky fans should be ashamed of themselves, supporting the team that is responsible for the peloton turning into a bunch of freaks.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Sky fans should be ashamed of themselves, supporting the team that is responsible for the peloton turning into a bunch of freaks.

I know this was really just a big bait to inflame the sky fans, however if you think that Sky invented or have done something new it actually exposes that you didnt read Tylers book or that you have not seen riders up close from the early 00's.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Finally, the peloton has discovered that reducing your weight to that of a duck and losing no power doing so is the recipe for winning. I wonder why nobody ever figured this out before?

Boonen looks Wigans thin. Stupid fattie, he could have been a TdF champion if he'd discovered this secret sooner...heck the entire OPQS team finally discovered this secret.

Clean racing. Believe in it!

Shocking today to see how thin he was!
lot of talk about that…

 

[doperhopper]

Finally, the peloton has discovered that reducing your weight to that of a duck and losing no power doing so is the recipe for winning. I wonder why nobody ever figured this out before?

Boonen looks Wigans thin. Stupid fattie, he could have been a TdF champion if he'd discovered this secret sooner...heck the entire OPQS team finally discovered this secret.

Clean racing. Believe in it!

The Great Transformation of 2014?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Which generation does this Golakhour guy belong to?

Then one where Matt Brameier publicly queries the pan y agua nature of their success.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lack-of-testing-in-borneo-leaves-more-questions-than-answers

 

[pmcg76]

Then one where Matt Brameier publicly queries the pan y agua nature of their success.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lack-of-testing-in-borneo-leaves-more-questions-than-answers

I would hardly think Matt Brammier is one to be quoting. After all he has beaten Dan Martin and Nicolas Roche to the Irish National title a few times now. Is that not impossible to do for a clean rider if the others are doping, your logic not mine.

 

[the sceptic]

I would hardly think Matt Brammier is one to be quoting. After all he has beaten Dan Martin and Nicolas Roche to the Irish National title a few times now. Is that not impossible to do for a clean rider if the others are doping, your logic not mine.

I think the point is the hypocricy of calling out small time obvious dopers, while keeping their mouths shut about big time obvious dopers.

 

[gooner]

I think the point is the hypocricy of calling out small time obvious dopers, while keeping their mouths shut about big time obvious dopers.

Brammeier had a go at F.Schleck on twitter after his positive.

 

[the sceptic]

Brammeier had a go at F.Schleck on twitter after his positive.

Not the same as calling someone out for their performance.

 

[gooner]

Not the same as calling someone out for their performance.

You mean Sky only, like the same nonsense that was thrown at Kittel after Sayar.

 

[Samson777]

You mean Sky only, like the same nonsense that was thrown at Kittel after Sayar.

You don't think it would be cool to call out SKY?

 

[gooner]

You don't think it would be cool to call out SKY?

The point is that this is the main thing that they are implying when bringing this up.

Plus, the situations are totally different when the riders in question aren't involved in the passport.

 

[The Hitch]

You mean Sky only, like the same nonsense that was thrown at Kittel after Sayar.

Why was that nonesence?

Kittel was calling out a guy who at the time had nothing against him (besides team connections) for a good performance, when that performance was clearly weaker than what his buddy was acheiving in race after race at the same time.

 

[gooner]

Why was that nonesence?

Kittel was calling out a guy who at the time had nothing against him (besides team connections) for a good performance, when that performance was clearly weaker than what his buddy was acheiving in race after race at the same time.

It's been repeated before, no passport, he was in a team that had a positive at Turkey with Grabovski, and there was an article where riders spotted needle marks on his arms.

That's why third tier teams have their critics when they are out of the passport programme and it's one of the reasons why l'Equipe wrote their article on JTL in 2012. The same now with Pourseyedi.

EDIT: This article yesterday mentions it about his win.

The UCI’s biological passport that detects doping by looking for abnormal blood and urine levels only covers first and second division teams. As one onlooker said, “It’s like an open bar for third division teams. They can take what they want.”

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/mirsamad-pourseyedi-golakhour-116600

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Did anyone call out Santambrogio based on his performances?
Afaik it was all "yes we expected this" after his positive

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Did anyone call out Santambrogio based on his performances?
Afaik it was all "yes we expected this" after his positive

yep, can't recall a single rider pointing out puffy solely based on his performance.

 

[will10]

It's been repeated before, no passport, he was in a team that had a positive at Turkey with Grabovski, and there was an article where riders spotted needle marks on his arms.

That's why third tier teams have their critics when they are out of the passport programme and it's one of the reasons why l'Equipe wrote their article on JTL in 2012. The same now with Pourseyedi.

EDIT: This article yesterday mentions it about his win.



http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/mirsamad-pourseyedi-golakhour-116600

There was also this gold in an interview with Seeldraeyers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tmi88HQM-o#t=28

"I think nobody is surprised that he won the stage today"

 

[gooner]

Kudus, Chaves and Ignatenko talk about their suspicion on Pourseyedi. Savio wants the passport introduced for third tier teams.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...ms-call-biological-passport-introduced-116672

 

[the sceptic]

these outside the passport obvious dopers are no more suspicious than team sky.

 

[EnacheV]

these outside the passport obvious dopers are no more suspicious than team sky.

wtf is with this kind of posting, are you really able to produce a decent post that is not completely garbage? ffs

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

these outside the passport obvious dopers are no more suspicious than team sky.

Who on the UCI is going to test in Teheran to see if an Iranian is doping?

D!ck Pound noted this also last year, I believe.

Tenerife seems too far too...