Benotti69 said:
Here is what a guy who for the last 10 years who has worked with the French government on anti doping thinks
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...trongs-US-Postal-says-Christophe-Bassons.html
Christophe Bassons.
“I know the mentality hasn’t changed.."
doperhopper said:
dementality will never change, especially if rewards are high, risks pathetically low, UCI corrupted and there's this infamous team "continuity" (DS, soigneurs, doctors)
Benotti69 said:
compliments of Twitter @Spitinthesoup ·
So we have former TVM doc with Katusha.
No doubt he is a dab hand with saddle sore cream
The idea that this sport is cleanER than before really is a joke.
How did Dan Martin beat all these dopers to a monument? How did Hesjedal beat Purito and other dopers to a Giro?
The teams may not be stopping on mountain sides and blood bags hanging from the ceilings while they dope, this sport has just changed logistics and methods, but they are all still doping.
Here is another good quote from the article linked
. . . For Bassons, the regulations may have tightened up but the culture remains the same; to push the rules to their limits. . . .
All this negativity - taking a rational suspicion and taking it to mean that everyone is still doping? It misses a major point being made by Vaughters and others. Namely, so what if some ARE still microdosing? The levels of cheating are down to where clean riders can compete again. So, either you choose to believe that at SOME of the people in the peloton are telling the truth, or you choose to believe that they are all lieing.
Personally, since even when the peloton WAS acting in concert, omerta, word still leaked out, and today we are not seeing NO positives, I think it is rational to choose to believe that some of the people are telling the truth. There may be signs that some riders and teams are pushing the envelope, but the envelope is also a lot tighter than it was. And, we are seeing clear signs that this IS, indeed, the truth.
Conclusion. Some riders are clean. Some are not - but the extent to which they push the envelope is not what it was. It would appear that it has been limited enough so that riders who are clean can compete.
And, not saying it can not be further improved, but isn't that, ultimately, the point? You will never have a situation where people are not trying to push the envelope. People are human (tautology). Human nature and failings do not go away. Which is why we have governments and systems - to minimize the impact of the failings. I think that is what is being sought here - to get rid of human nature as part of the equation.
Oh - btw - I am pretty sure Beno will say he chooses to believe that they are all still lieing. I don't think that is even possible, much less likely, but I choose to believe that they are NOT all still lieing. I think that the omerta was only made possible because of the quite limited nature of the existing subculture then. It had a very limited membership, and a relatively stable membership, with a long path to entry, and relatively high barriers to entry. With the commercial success of cycling, that began to change, and continues to change.
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