2014 Giro d' Italia: Stage 14 Aglie - Oropa (162 km)

[Cookster15]

1.its pollen alergy
2.I have it all my life,so I know how exactly it works.It can disapear in just two days,we are talking about like four days.

Okay if its pollen allergy that's fair enough. Thanks.

 

[jens_attacks]

sorry for delay
here it is...

a nice little top 30 of the fastest ever on oropa...probably with a stage like 1993 or 1999 (or a itt like in 2007), domenico and quintana could have broken the 18 minutes barrier

http://www.climbing-records.com/2014/05/speeding-up-oropa-top-30-fastest-ever.html

1. 1999: 17:04 Marco Pantani 23.55 km/h
2. 1999: 17:50 Laurent Jalabert 22.54 km/h
3. 1999: 18:04 Gilberto Simoni 22.25 km/h
4. 1999: 18:07 Ivan Gotti 22.19 km/h
5. 1999: 18:07 Daniel Clavero 22.19 km/h

mitico clavero!

 

[ILovecycling]

Okay if its pollen allergy that's fair enough. Thanks.

Nothing happened,of course the other scenario is what our colombian mate escarabajo said - not read too much into this pr talks

But in this case I trust him cuz its known he has problems always in spring.

 

[SafeBet]

According to reports the man hit by the moto is in induced coma.

He was there as a volunteer.

 

[Bexon30]

According to reports the man hit by the moto is in induced coma.

He was there as a volunteer.

That's really bad to hear. I hope he recovers.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

sorry for delay
here it is...

a nice little top 30 of the fastest ever on oropa...probably with a stage like 1993 or 1999 (or a itt like in 2007), domenico and quintana could have broken the 18 minutes barrier

http://www.climbing-records.com/2014/05/speeding-up-oropa-top-30-fastest-ever.html

1. 1999: 17:04 Marco Pantani 23.55 km/h
2. 1999: 17:50 Laurent Jalabert 22.54 km/h
3. 1999: 18:04 Gilberto Simoni 22.25 km/h
4. 1999: 18:07 Ivan Gotti 22.19 km/h
5. 1999: 18:07 Daniel Clavero 22.19 km/h

mitico clavero!

That settles it then. Aru is now a better climber than Indurain and Tonkov

 

[Von Mises]

sorry for delay
here it is...

a nice little top 30 of the fastest ever on oropa...probably with a stage like 1993 or 1999 (or a itt like in 2007), domenico and quintana could have broken the 18 minutes barrier

http://www.climbing-records.com/2014/05/speeding-up-oropa-top-30-fastest-ever.html

1. 1999: 17:04 Marco Pantani 23.55 km/h
2. 1999: 17:50 Laurent Jalabert 22.54 km/h
3. 1999: 18:04 Gilberto Simoni 22.25 km/h
4. 1999: 18:07 Ivan Gotti 22.19 km/h
5. 1999: 18:07 Daniel Clavero 22.19 km/h

mitico clavero!

And wasnt this the stage where Pantani had mechanical and had to chase a peloton?

 

[The Blues]

Yes, it was.

 

[GuyIncognito]

And wasnt this the stage where Pantani had mechanical and had to chase a peloton?

The mechanical was before the climb though.

He started the climb 25 seconds behind Jalabert and finished 21 seconds ahead. 46 seconds faster.

 

[The Hitch]

The Schlecks attempted several attacks in the Pyreenees - both Luz Ardiden and PDB. It was just that Evans was very strong that year and had no trouble closing then down. He also knew Frank could not TT so he just worried about Andy and let Andy worry about AC. I also noted Evans spun low gears on the climbs obviously to be able to respond to multiple attacks easier and not blow up. He only pushed big gears climbing on the stage 18 chase which was effectively a MTT for him. Plus the headwind meant noone was willing or able to attack him until Frank in the final 200m.

If David Walsh wrote a biography of Evans the above would be from the chapter on the 2011 tour.

In reality Evans like basso like Andy like contador (apart from the last few m of luz) just followed wheels riding very slowly in a big group of favorites who did nothing. On pdbf voeckler came in with them. That sounds to you like a mountain stage where schlecks are nonstop attacking and superchessmaster Evans brings them back with superintelligent tactical calculations?

 

[trevim]

In reality Evans like basso like Andy like contador (apart from the last few m of luz) just followed wheels riding very slowly in a big group of favorites who did nothing. On pdbf voeckler came in with them. That sounds to you like a mountain stage where schlecks are nonstop attacking and superchessmaster Evans brings them back with superintelligent tactical calculations?

This.
They wasted such a difficult final climb and did nothing. Not to mention Luz Ardiden that was a perfect stage for a long range attack, perfectly designed stage.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You obviously never ever rode a bike your entire life and still claiming you know better. And to be honest, without getting personal, the rest of your post is embarrassing beyond believe. But what else to expect from a guy who never rode a bike.

Phuck yourself. You can debate as others, but don´t come up with wrong assumptions. I might have ridden more bike than you little poor kid. And I follow cycling a little longer than you...
If other guys think that TdF 2011 was great because of two stages. OK, I accept that. I see it different. I remember three wasted mountain stages with GT riders looking hard at each other while riding backwards. But I don´t attack them personally when my opinion differs from them...
Go to school and learn manners.

 

[gthx_gthx_]

According to reports the man hit by the moto is in induced coma.

He was there as a volunteer.

Sad news , I certainly hope he recovers.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Just watched the stage, nice to see the doctor take some time back, he looks very strong in the mountains. Great to see Quintana show something, this Giro is not over for him yet! It was a little sad to see him just wheelsuck though, I guess he still isn't in top form yet, had he worked with Pozzo they could have gained more time.

 

[mr. tibbs]

This.
They wasted such a difficult final climb and did nothing. Not to mention Luz Ardiden that was a perfect stage for a long range attack, perfectly designed stage.

I'm chiming in to agree. Andy did his utmost best to lose that race by not attacking in the mountains, and it worked.

Evans had a great ride once in that Tour where, after spending several miles looking around desperately for someone else to do the work so he could win, he finally hopped on the front himself. Stage 18, I think. If he shows the same type of indeciciveness against Pozzovivo and Quintana--who obviously waste NO opportunities--then he's finished.

But really he's finished regardless. Fighting for a podium spot at this point.

 

[BigMac]

That's such a cop out. If it becomes justified to wheelsuck and gain the fruits of other people's labour, then everyone will just pretend to be weak and the few honest men will be punished.

Huh? Where did I say anything of that?

I said you can't expect Evans to work when the only thing he will get for that is ruining is own race. That's beyond the realm of stupidity. Had Evans gone to the front he would later have cracked big time and would not have managed to even stay with Urán. He was clearly suffering there.

Glory and honor doesn't buy you wins. Sure Cadel, go to the front and show your colours, set up a huge pace and let people see how such a paragon of romantic cycling you are. It is completely ok if you bonk minutes after, it's not like our sponsors care or anything...

In the Clinic you accuse Evans' performances of being pathetic for his age yet you expect him to perform and waste energy like he is at the same level of the other guns?

 

[cineteq]

In reality Evans like basso like Andy like contador (apart from the last few m of luz) just followed wheels riding very slowly in a big group of favorites who did nothing. On pdbf voeckler came in with them. That sounds to you like a mountain stage where schlecks are nonstop attacking and superchessmaster Evans brings them back with superintelligent tactical calculations?

You won't stop trying to change (manipulate?) history, will you?

 

[hughmoore]

If David Walsh wrote a biography of Evans the above would be from the chapter on the 2011 tour.

In reality Evans like basso like Andy like contador (apart from the last few m of luz) just followed wheels riding very slowly in a big group of favorites who did nothing. On pdbf voeckler came in with them. That sounds to you like a mountain stage where schlecks are nonstop attacking and superchessmaster Evans brings them back with superintelligent tactical calculations?

Everyone knows Evans was just playing with them, he could have ridden off the front, but merely wanted to keep everyone together, because he knew it would annoy the heck out of the haters on Cyclingnews.

Just like this Giro, he gifted Uran the Pink, so he can play with him over the next week.

Hugh

 

[Afrank]

According to reports the man hit by the moto is in induced coma.

He was there as a volunteer.

Thanks for the info, hope he'll be okay.

 

[Cookster15]

If David Walsh wrote a biography of Evans the above would be from the chapter on the 2011 tour.

In reality Evans like basso like Andy like contador (apart from the last few m of luz) just followed wheels riding very slowly in a big group of favorites who did nothing. On pdbf voeckler came in with them. That sounds to you like a mountain stage where schlecks are nonstop attacking and superchessmaster Evans brings them back with superintelligent tactical calculations?

Yes I was puzzled about Voekler's tenacity in 2011 too but other than that I stand by what I wrote. To me what Voekler showed is - at least for strong non sprinters - the massive time lost by non GC contenders on mountain stages has more to do with them conserving energy on stages they can't possibly win than the inability to stay close to genuine climbers if given the opportunity of a possible podium and multiple yellow jerseys. Anyhow Voekler turned himself inside out. Anyone could see who was watching especially after the finish at top of Galibier. I can't imagine how bad he must have suffered. By the way Luz Ardiden was ridden by Andy, Evans and Basso at an average speed of about 23kph - hardly 'very slowly'.

 

[Tournesol]

The revision of history re Evans TDF win never fails to amuse me,strongest rider from the start,judged the opponents perfectly in the mountains,knew the Grenoble ITT(Dauphine behind Martin/Wiggins) and studied it closely,complete performance.

Never understood the Evans hate on this forum,what a palmares,what a bike rider.Always exciting no,a physiological aberration and a born winner yes.

Cue a hundred Evans hating posts.

 

[auscyclefan94]

The revision of history re Evans TDF win never fails to amuse me,strongest rider from the start,judged the opponents perfectly in the mountains,knew the Grenoble ITT(Dauphine behind Martin/Wiggins) and studied it closely,complete performance.

Never understood the Evans hate on this forum,what a palmares,what a bike rider.Always exciting no,a physiological aberration and a born winner yes.

Cue a hundred Evans hating posts.

Spot on. I wonder if there is equivalent hate for the way Quintana rode today. The wheelsucking crap that has been attached to Evans for years has long been put to bed. Find someone else to hate, yes that is directed to you The Hitch!

 

[Escarabajo]

Spot on. I wonder if there is equivalent hate for the way Quintana rode today. The wheelsucking crap that has been attached to Evans for years has long been put to bed. Find someone else to hate, yes that is directed to you The Hitch!

I think it has been. There is no exception in this forum. I think it is the nature of it. So don't worry. It is not just Evans. The problem is that Evans has done it many more times.

 

[pattycake88]

I think it has been. There is no exception in this forum. I think it is the nature of it. So don't worry. It is not just Evans. The problem is that Evans has done it many more times.

Forget the rubbish about Evans has done it many more times. Half the top gc guys were dopers pre-2011. He has every right to simply sit on their wheel. 2011, he definitely wasn't a wheel sucker. 2012 onwards, I think anyone in gc contention at the age of 35+ can do whatever they want, if you follow the views of everyone on this forum: i.e., 'evans too old, will wilt in third week'. so accusing him of wheelsucking from 2012 onwards means you're contradicting your own argument that evans is too old to win grand tours.(i.e. if he could win tours, he shouldn't be wheelsucking, but you claim he is too old)

 

[Trev_S]

Huh? Where did I say anything of that?
I said you can't expect Evans to work when the only thing he will get for that is ruining is own race. That's beyond the realm of stupidity. Had Evans gone to the front he would later have cracked big time and would not have managed to even stay with Urán. He was clearly suffering there.

Not only that but Uran had Poels there working for him on the front which in turn helped Evans as well. So Evans had no reason or cause to ride in a manner that would have risked cracking/burning himself out in chasing Pozzo & Quintana.
Plus I'm sure he would have made a move far earlier if he was able to do so.