2014 Giro d'Italia Stage 6: Sassano – Montecassino | 257 km

[Escarabajo]

much as I love ryo's ramblings, not the 7w/kg assertions again for chrissakes.

sure, in a graded ramp test riders might finish up at a max aerobic power level of circa 7w/kg. however, this is definitely not something sustainable for 30-40 minutes, or even a full hour, ie a functional threshold power of a rider. the latter number is what counts, and thus the climbing data benchmarks refer to it, not max aerobic power values that are sustainable for say 5 minutes.

didn't quintana hit 6-ish figures on the long climbs last year? moreover, even the dottore ferrari magic ftp number was 6,7, mind.

I got in the neighborhood of 6 w/kg in the last mountain stage. I put a lot of drafting which is what actually happened.

7 Watts/Kg between 30 to 40 minutes sounds like an impossible number to reach.

hey auscyclefan94, I am Colombian, so this has nothing to do with being Colombian. Let's keep it that way. Thanks.

 

[The Hitch]

My heart bleeds for murito.

At the same time, the game is the game. If bmc want to play by the laws of the jungle, fine by me. So long as they remain consistent with that. K don't want to hear them crying about it at some point down the road if it happens to them, like Andy did.

On a sidenote I hope the commentators and others here noted the significance of montecasino in the 2nd world war.

 

[Netserk]

My heart bleeds for murito.

How well do you think he could've done without yesterday, given he says he started the Giro with two broken ribs?

 

[hfer07]

Discussing Nairito: He was interviewed before the 7th stage about his condition & if he got injured by the crash- He's Ok- hit the tarmac hard & has a bruise in his hip, but nothing serious.

What interested me of that interview was that he said he was "at the front" when the accident occurred- it appears that everyone started to fall which caused a domino effect around the Peloton. based on that I still wonder "how" Cadel & his BMC crew got away from it......

 

[Afrank]

he himself said he crashed and has bruises all over his body....

Oh, didn't know that. Hope he doesn't have any lasting effects from it.

 

[LugHugger]

My heart bleeds for murito.

At the same time, the game is the game. If bmc want to play by the laws of the jungle, fine by me. So long as they remain consistent with that. K don't want to hear them crying about it at some point down the road if it happens to them, like Andy did.

On a sidenote I hope the commentators and others here noted the significance of montecasino in the 2nd world war.

Ditto. Seems a shame that BMC forgot stage 12 of the 2012 Tour. I kind of hope that karma is instant...

 

[Kwibus]

You've got trouble when Ryo endorses your opinion.

Ryo is full of sh*t most of the time, but at times he does makes sense or has a good point.

Being wrong isn't something bad, unless your a narcist like Ryo. No matter what... He is always right and ifyou don't agree you are simply wrong and stup*d as well

 

[The Hitch]

How well do you think he could've done without yesterday, given he says he started the Giro with two broken ribs?

You are right. Maybe it was a blessing in disguise for him to withdraw this early.

I didn't think he could win anyway against quintana to be honest.

Another shot at the Vuelta I guess. he needs to pray Contador rides the full Tour, no injuries for him there.

 

[UlleGigo]

Ryo is full of sh*t most of the time, but at times he does makes sense or has a good point.

Being wrong isn't something bad, unless your a narcist like Ryo. No matter what... He is always right and ifyou don't agree you are simply wrong and stup*d as well

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Being wrong isn't a bad thing if you keep it to yourself. Mark Twain said something similar. Ryo should look it up. He fits the brief.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

much as I love ryo's ramblings, not the 7w/kg assertions again for chrissakes.

sure, in a graded ramp test riders might finish up at a max aerobic power level of circa 7w/kg. however, this is definitely not something sustainable for 30-40 minutes, or even a full hour, ie a functional threshold power of a rider. the latter number is what counts, and thus the climbing data benchmarks refer to it, not max aerobic power values that are sustainable for say 5 minutes.

didn't quintana hit 6-ish figures on the long climbs last year? moreover, even the dottore ferrari magic ftp number was 6,7, mind.

yes it is. just look at garmins testsand acevedo's 7 watt record

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Data from vetooo

Weight from you.

Calculation by http://www.cyclingpowerlab.com/vam.aspx

Result:

6.61 W/kg

How did you come to 7 W/kg?

I said close to 7 watt, read more carefully

 

[meat puppet]

yes it is. just look at garmins testsand acevedo's 7 watt record

well, gimme a link please.

here's mine, mainly for providing a context: http://www.sportsscientists.com/201...ur-de-france-performance-analysis-groundwork/

"Briefly, however, the premise here is that in order to produce 6.2 W/kg or higher for longer than about 30 minutes requires physiology that is, frankly, not seen in normal situations. That doesn’t mean it’s not possible, but to illustrate, in order to ride at this kind of power output, a cyclist must have a VO2max that is tremendously high, in combination with an exceptional efficiency, and the ability to sustain upward of 85% of VO2max for those 30 minutes or more, at the end of a 5 hour stage. The combination of physiological factors does not, in my opinion, exist in order to validate power outputs above 6.2 W/kg for those durations."

note please that my intention is not to suggest anything clinical, but just to confine our conclusions back onto planet earth again. and no, even if tucker discusses 5hr stages, test circumstances or MTTs wont magically yield 7w/kg either.

 

[Netserk]

I said close to 7 watt, read more carefully

6.6 ain't 'near 7'.

Think more carefully

 

[Netserk]

well, gimme a link please.

here's mine, mainly for providing a context: http://www.sportsscientists.com/201...ur-de-france-performance-analysis-groundwork/

"Briefly, however, the premise here is that in order to produce 6.2 W/kg or higher for longer than about 30 minutes requires physiology that is, frankly, not seen in normal situations. That doesn’t mean it’s not possible, but to illustrate, in order to ride at this kind of power output, a cyclist must have a VO2max that is tremendously high, in combination with an exceptional efficiency, and the ability to sustain upward of 85% of VO2max for those 30 minutes or more, at the end of a 5 hour stage. The combination of physiological factors does not, in my opinion, exist in order to validate power outputs above 6.2 W/kg for those durations."

note please that my intention is not to suggest anything clinical, but just to confine our conclusions back onto planet earth again.

Power test =/= End of a stage riding fast up a climb.

 

[meat puppet]

Power test =/= End of a stage riding fast up a climb.

even so, simple logic dictates that the ability to sustain 7w/kg for 30-40 min necessitates a freakishly high vo2max and/or vo2max to FTP ratio, and so I am not buying it.