2014 Giro d'Italia Stage 6: Sassano – Montecassino | 257 km

[Ryo Hazuki]

Two years ago he was sick - as he was last year. He is not now. He has recently indicated he is unsure if the virus might return in the last week. If it doesn't he will do much better than your original comment would suggest.

lol @ you believing his bull**** excuses. I still have to hear his excuse for that lotto tour he failed so hard when he was crying every day that he couldn't tell the reaosn but he would after the tour. evans is a joke, a very bad joke in every way.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Say what you like, experience certainly means you get your excuses in early.

"I think I might get ill at the end and fail, but otherwise I'm still on top of my game"

AHAHAHAHA

wish I could rep people here

 

[MatParker117]

I concur with this. It's a mix of smartness and luck.
The massive crash involved plenty of riders who were in the first part of the peloton.

Also check this picture:

So you've got 150 riders at full speed (beware it was slightly downhill), peloton with a broad front cause nobody wants to hit the cilmb in a bad position. And you get to this roundabout with a parked car on the left side, giving you no way out in case you're not well positioned. What's gonna happen?

Something the UCI needs to put a stop too.

 

[pastronef]

poor poor Jani Brajkovic. injured elbow, DNF. he's so unlucky

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yeah... I've read it. It's very un-Dutch. I kinda like that overconfidence of his. Reminds me of Thomas Dekker when he was young, and one of the reasons I liked Dekker so much.
Arrogance maybe, but I like the confident talk. Not the stupid Mollema/Gesink way of "yeah maybe top 15 and blablabla" talking

maybe it's very unlimburgs but it is definitely very dutch to ooze zelf confidence and talk about it. not a bad thing either

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I don't hate Sagan, he is one of my favorite riders. Also because of his talk.
Like I said. Thomas Dekker used to be like that when he was young and still winning. (unfortunately because he was cheating, but still, who wasn't at the time)

who wasn't at the time is irrelevant. thomas sucks some huge monkey balls unlike many other who were caught and came back. that should tell you about his real mentality and talent

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yes like 2010 Giro when he actually gained time on Basso with an even steeper MTT. MTTs are not the same as MTFs. Diesels like Evans can do very well against little climbers in MTTs if on form. I think Evans might just be riding better than 2010.....if he holds form.

2010? lol evans hasn't done a good high mountain climb since 2011. his last good itt I can't even remember

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Some news from Belkin. Kruiswijk is back at the hospital for a second opinion, as the pain in his shoulder did not get better. I think that he's going to DNS tomorrow, but the official decision will be made (or announced) tomorrow morning. No wonder he had a hard time getting back on the bike. Rick Flens is also in doubt, as he's got a small fracture in his finger. If he does get back on the bike tomorrow, that's probably going to hurt.

he might as well retire like gesnik. what a joke he's been for years now.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

If anyone needs a reminder on how Quintana is in MTT's and hard hilly ITT's:

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=19389
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=23934
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24045

his avenir itt was truly astonishing. he kicked near 7 watt there for his entire effort at age 20 after a good week of racing and dominating

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

If people read through earlier we was having debate with Ryo about how much time Quintana would lose to Evans, Ryo said not by much. We all no Evans is not great but he will beat Quintana easily. So yes flat clearly Pais Vasco ITT he was great but many were saying he could lose around a min to Froome in the TDF and it was laughable.

he won't lose much on evans (less than 1 minute unless he's injured or wind) I will take an avatar bet on that

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

The way Evans is riding is quite similar to the 2011 Tour de France. Stays out of trouble and rides smarter than everyone else. That is why I am feeling confident and everyone said in 2011 that he would crumble on the climbs...never happened.

in 2011 evans was a world class rider. in 2014 he's not a shadow of his former self anymore, just look at last years giro where the final mountainstage which was the only proper mountain finish he dropped like a stone and was crying all ther way to the finish about his "made up" gearing problems.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Did Quintana actually crash, was he injured at all?

Im wondering why he didnt get on the front and chase back. Pozzi slowed down when he found himself on the front on the climb, is he injured as well?


Hugh

yes he crashed and has bruisesal over his ody. his teammates are much wore off though

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

No, Quintana kept it up and avoided the crash.

he himself said he crashed and has bruises all over his body....

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Thing is, none of us having seen what caused the crash, I'm not really sure how you can say this, that it was all smarts rather than [some] luck. Likelihood whatever happened was very very near the front.

I mean the way you're talking there, perhaps Tim Wellens or Matteo Rabottini are just as great as Cadel? Not lucky to have found themselves in the exclusive lead group either. Champions in waiting!

this is a very good post. right on

 

[Von Mises]

his avenir itt was truly astonishing. he kicked near 7 watt there for his entire effort at age 20 after a good week of racing and dominating

Not arguing that he is good TT-r, but to say that he kicked 7 watts (I remeber you claimed it few years back also) is just plain ridiculous.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Not arguing that he is good TT-r, but to say that he kicked 7 watts (I remeber you claimed it few years back also) is just plain ridiculous.

it's easily to calculate and true. I will come back with calculations in a few days when I'm back from a trip. also it's nothing out of this world. acevedo did garmin test which combinates in a final 40 minute effort(after many shorter efforts building up) and kicked off 7 watt there, vaughters said in an interview he couldn't believe it.

 

[SafeBet]

he himself said he crashed and has bruises all over his body....

And it was confirmed on RAI after the stage.

 

[Von Mises]

it's easily to calculate and true. I will come back with calculations in a few days when I'm back from a trip. also it's nothing out of this world. acevedo did garmin test which combinates in a final 40 minute effort(after many shorter efforts building up) and kicked off 7 watt there, vaughters said in an interview he couldn't believe it.

If Quintana did 7 watts, it means that Talansky did 6,9. Actually it means, that not just Quinatana, but also Talansky, Gomez, Slagter put out watts what even Froome is not capable.

Btw, vetooo says that Quintana made 6,05 during Avenir ITT.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

If Quintana did 7 watts, it means that Talansky did 6,9. Actually it means, that not just Quinatana, but also Talansky, Gomez, Slagter put out watts what even Froome is not capable.

Btw, vetooo says that Quintana made 6,05 during Avenir ITT.

talansky is 63 kg against 51 kg of quintana. man if you don;t undertsand even the sligthets of how watt calculations go then pls don't ever try to correct me again. you only make a fool out of yourself

 

[Kwibus]

The way Evans is riding is quite similar to the 2011 Tour de France. Stays out of trouble and rides smarter than everyone else. That is why I am feeling confident and everyone said in 2011 that he would crumble on the climbs...never happened.

It's all true so far and I'm reluctant to say he will crumble in the last week, but this is 3 years later and he is 37. I don't expect him to win the giro since I can't imagine him following a good Quintana on the longer and steeper climbs. The question is wether Quintana is really good this Giro or maybe Evans is in the form of his life again.

Time will tell, but I would be surprised if Evans wins this Giro.

 

[meat puppet]

much as I love ryo's ramblings, not the 7w/kg assertions again for chrissakes.

sure, in a graded ramp test riders might finish up at a max aerobic power level of circa 7w/kg. however, this is definitely not something sustainable for 30-40 minutes, or even a full hour, ie a functional threshold power of a rider. the latter number is what counts, and thus the climbing data benchmarks refer to it, not max aerobic power values that are sustainable for say 5 minutes.

didn't quintana hit 6-ish figures on the long climbs last year? moreover, even the dottore ferrari magic ftp number was 6,7, mind.

 

[burning]

I thought Contador broke VAM record by doing 6.75 W/Kg for about 20-21 minutes, looks like Quintana can do 7 W for about 32.5 minutes when he was 20

 

[Netserk]

talansky is 63 kg against 51 kg of quintana. man if you don;t undertsand even the sligthets of how watt calculations go then pls don't ever try to correct me again. you only make a fool out of yourself

Data from vetooo

Weight from you.

Calculation by http://www.cyclingpowerlab.com/vam.aspx

Result:

6.61 W/kg

How did you come to 7 W/kg?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Ryo talking **** about the Colombian riders...who would have thought? Wrongology at its best.

 

[UlleGigo]

this is a very good post. right on

You've got trouble when Ryo endorses your opinion.