2014 Tour de France July 18, Stage 13: Saint-Étienne - Chamrousse 197.5km

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TANK91 said:
huh Nibali rode vs Froome in 2012 he got crushed, Froome even was pulling the whole group up and crushed Nibali. Also Vs Contador 2011= Crushed. Nibali made his time on Froome in 1 hilly wet stage. He as not beat him uphill in races they race. So what is wrong with people saying it. You're probably another guy who say ah well there not here. But fact is when has the top favorite abandoned? Let alone the top 2 Favourites. You have too admit that does not happend so it has been a unique TDF.


GT's Nibali has won the podium finshers. Mozquera, Velits. Uran and old Evans.

Oh what a suprise Contador and Froome are not their how conveniant of us to talk the truth.
Nibali is a significantly better rider than back then. So my point remains. Have we seen Nibali and his current best vs AC or Froome at their current best? No

And Nibali has dropped Froome on a hill during TA. Then further extended his lead on the descent with Sagan.
 
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lLampre they just can not get their GC guy lol. They thought Costa be the man he is Cunego in disguise except he can win 1 week stage races.
 
Dekker_Tifosi said:
In the end Nibali finished 10' ahead of König and Majka. So there is something to say for Contador being able to gain time..

But in yellow, mwah, i think not. I think he'd have gained '30 at best
Yup. People are being blinded by the fact that he took 50 seconds out of Valverde. Problem is Valverde hasn't been that good so far in this Tour.
 
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TANK91 said:
huh Nibali rode vs Froome in 2012 he got crushed, Froome even was pulling the whole group up and crushed Nibali. Also Vs Contador 2011= Crushed. Nibali made his time on Froome in 1 hilly wet stage. He as not beat him uphill in races they race. So what is wrong with people saying it. You're probably another guy who say ah well there not here. But fact is when has the top favorite abandoned? Let alone the top 2 Favourites. You have too admit that does not happend so it has been a unique TDF.


GT's Nibali has won the podium finshers. Mozquera, Velits. Uran and old Evans.

Oh what a suprise Contador and Froome are not their how conveniant of us to talk the truth.
It's not Nibali's job to provide competition. He could care less who does, or does not ride. There are always people that underestimate Nibali's ability but soon he will be the 6th person to have won all 3 GT's. Now that's impressive.

And while Froome a few years back was struggling to even ride up a mountain, Nibali on the other hand has always showed talent very early on.
 
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Miburo said:
Tj is overrated as **** in the ITT. Nibali will crush him.
Here are his results from final time trials in grand tours (for what it's worth)

2013 Tour - 10th
2012 Tour - 7th
2011 Tour - 67th
2010 Vuelta - 99th

He was also 4th at Worlds for the ITT in 2012.

He's not a specialist. He's not as good as Froome or Contador when they are zeroed in. But he's one of the better ITT riders from the GC ranks.
 
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Ok guys, we seriously need an epic Vs. thread for this type of discussion.

Example:

Froome Tour 2012 vs. Contador Giro 2011
Nibali Tour 2014 vs. Contador Vuelta 2012
Wiggo Tour 2012 vs. Basso Giro 2010
 
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whittashau said:
Nibali is a significantly better rider than back then. So my point remains. Have we seen Nibali and his current best vs AC or Froome at their current best? No

And Nibali has dropped Froome on a hill during TA. Then further extended his lead on the descent with Sagan.
Froome 2013 crushes Nibali 2014. And who cars about a hill, MTF i was on about Nibali has gained on Froome in hills aswell. Look im not hating on Nibali he is easily 3rd best GT rider and proabaly 2nd behind Contador in longgevity. So im giving him his props but he would not beat Froome. Valverde was beat by 50 seconds today Froome took like 1min plus on AX-3. Obviously we don't no 100%, but their is probabaly a 20% chance he outclimbs them.

Reason we have not seen the massacre is because some idiot took Froome out.
 
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lol Whittashu thinks Nibali can handle Ventoux attack last year is that what you're saying. HAHA
 
May 19, 2010
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Porsev outside time limit and Kristoff ****ed off about it. Kastusha wasted his leadout man for zero KOM points. Not a good day for Russian rocket launchers.
 
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maxmartin said:
Tell us where AT is please. As is Dauphines really means anything.
He was responding as someone said Froome has only done well in Romandie. Well that is false. Froome crushed Oman MTF. He also done well early Dauphinee
 
Dazed and Confused said:
Too many obstacles at Sky this year. No chance for that type of model this year.

Other bits and pieces, yes but not enough to be a factor.
What do you mean too many obstacles? The guy with his early Dauphine form and without the crashes would have been a factor in this year's Tour. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. I happen to think Contador would have beaten him but to suggest Froome wouldn't have been a factor is ludicrous.
 
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TANK91 said:
Reason we have not seen the massacre is because some idiot took Froome out.
Come on - Even if he hadn't crashed the day before do you really think Froome would have stayed on his bike on stage 5? Or that he could have stayed upright and out of trouble given all the rain and nervousness in other stages? Imagine someone crashing right in front of him like Nibali had with his teammate Max. It wouldn't be quite so pretty.
 
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TANK91 said:
He was responding as someone said Froome has only done well in Romandie. Well that is false. Froome crushed Oman MTF. He also done well early Dauphinee
Nibali's style is very effective, Froome's is spectacular but not so effective :). He wanted to show something in the 2nd stage of Dauphine and failed, only 4 seconds between him and 3rd place. And he attacked like hell
 
JRanton said:
What do you mean too many obstacles? The guy with his early Dauphine form and without the crashes would have been a factor in this year's Tour. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. I happen to think Contador would have beaten him but to suggest Froome wouldn't have been a factor is ludicrous.
Not buying him this season, below par.
Nibali would have crushed him this year.

Do you think he will be a factor in the Vuelta this year?
 
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TANK91 said:
Froome 2013 crushes Nibali 2014. And who cars about a hill, MTF i was on about Nibali has gained on Froome in hills aswell. Look im not hating on Nibali he is easily 3rd best GT rider and proabaly 2nd behind Contador in longgevity. So im giving him his props but he would not beat Froome. Valverde was beat by 50 seconds today Froome took like 1min plus on AX-3. Obviously we don't no 100%, but their is probabaly a 20% chance he outclimbs them.

Reason we have not seen the massacre is because some idiot took Froome out.
So you are dissinf a rider who actually won two GT's whereas Froome only has a TDf at his belt and that on course which was perfect for him? :D

Sorry to bust your bubble, but not only is Nibali a much more charismatic guy than egofreak Froome, he's is also shown for many years how much more versatile and robust he is than Froome. Froome was toast and that was not because of the crashes, but because of the rain, cold and cobbles. Added by a team that was in sheer collapse duer to his ego tripping book. All his bile and hate and how he would easily crush AC in the TdF sure backfired as everyone in his team could see how paranoid and egotistical he actually is. Add that the guy was a wreck ever since the Dauphine and the Salbutamol scandal. He looked stressed and beaten from the first moment.

Froome simply never would have won. He and DB have taken himself and the team out before the start by being blind about the important thing in a team: SPIRIT.
 
alin.constantin89 said:
Nibali's style is very effective, Froome's is spectacular but not so effective :). He wanted to show something in the 2nd stage of Dauphine and failed, only 4 seconds between him and 3rd place. And he attacked like hell
Because Contador was able to follow. We already saw in an earlier stage on this year's Tour that Nibali cracked trying to follow Contador on a small hill. Not even in the high mountains. :eek:
 
Dazed and Confused said:
Not buying him this season, below par.
Nibali would have crushed him this year.

Do you think he will be a factor in the Vuelta this year?
Yeah, I expect him to win it assuming he can stay upright.

Froome was strong in Romandie and in the early stages of Dauphine. He was right on course for a huge battle with Contador at the Tour. Nibali would have been a distant third like in 2012.
 
JRanton said:
Yeah, I expect him to win it assuming he can stay upright.

Froome was strong in Romandie and in the early stages of Dauphine. He was right on course for a huge battle with Contador at the Tour. Nibali would have been a distant third like in 2012.
Fair enough. We shall see.

The other part is a bit of a pipedream imo.
 

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