2015 tour de france stage 3, Antwerpen-Hoei 159.5km

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reshp1 said:
Man, as much as we admire these guys for being total bad asses, part of me worries that the continue at all costs culture of cycling is going too far sometimes. Cancellara riding with a broken back, TenDam with a dislocated shoulder, contador with a broken ankle last year, Horner with a concussion so bad he didn't know where he was a few years before.. sooner or later something really bad is going to happen because a rider didn't have the sense to stop.
This is one sport where little has been done for years to add protection for riders. Speeds have increased yet protection hasn't. I know of no sport, even full contact sports like American football, where broken bones and major abrasions are so accepted as part of the sport. Where is the advances in clothing protection? Why not fabric with kevlar to protect when falling off the bike. Some type of tape for legs and arms, elbow pads and such would certainly help avoid injuries in crashes. Course design would also help. Seeing those pillars in the middle of the road after the high speed crash made me wince. Not sure how they made it through without another crash. There is really no reason for the amount and severity of crashes in the peleton if rider safety was really paramount. The old school approach that it was good enough in the good old days and it should be good enough now holds little sway. There needs to be serious attention placed on rider safety, how to avoid and mitigate crashes and make the pro peleton a safer place. Not many sports where the major players are taken out of contention because of crashes. A level playing field would certainly help the competitive nature of cycling and give one the strongest field in races. This way, major races are often decided by crashes and such where "bike handling" is blamed. Why not just add to the spice and put drunk drivers that hate cyclists on course? Make it a true blood sport? (kidding but highly sarcastic). This would not be acceptable in any other sport, even the fighting sports where you try to kick the crap out of your opponent. Something needs to be done!
 
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bjbest said:
From the replay, it looks like a rider passes Bonnet on the outside and cuts in too soon, hitting Bonnet's handlebars with his hip. At the 1:30 mark in this video, he's just to the right and behind Bonnet, while at the 1:33 mark Bonnet is already on his way to the ground:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSBpytkX1tA

Bonehead move, whoever that was. I wish they'd DQ riders for things like this so races would be settled by racing instead of crashing.
How does that make any sense? DQ'ing riders for unintentionally causing crashes does not reduce them, neither does it make racing decide the race more. In fact, you reduce the racing part even further, because a rider would be eliminated behind the screens, not on the road at all. A bit like Porte's wheel change at the Giro. Which might have ruined the GC battle (of course we can't know, since Porte abandoned).
Furthermore, crashing IS part of racing.
 
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Carols said:
deValtos said:
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deValtos said:
Froome could try the Vuelta if he won the TDF and do it this year even ?

Didn't work that great in 2012 but still came 4th IIRC.
That isn't the Double. If he loses he may try the Vuelta to salvage his season.
Well it's some kind of double.
Yeah and so is the Giro/Vuelta which Contador has accomplished. It's not The Double either.
Quintana attempted that last year too, albeit he was rather overshadowed by Froome and Contador.
 
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TMP402 said:
Carols said:
deValtos said:
Carols said:
deValtos said:
Froome could try the Vuelta if he won the TDF and do it this year even ?

Didn't work that great in 2012 but still came 4th IIRC.
That isn't the Double. If he loses he may try the Vuelta to salvage his season.
Well it's some kind of double.
Yeah and so is the Giro/Vuelta which Contador has accomplished. It's not The Double either.
Quintana attempted that last year too, albeit he was rather overshadowed by Froome and Contador.
He was kind of not being overshadowed at first though, given he crashed out from the lead of the race in the ITT.
 
Great ride by froome and Purito they both were monsters on the Huy.Yates showed us he has class and guts to finish top 10.Contador looked a little tired atm but could just be playing games?time will tell.bring on the cobbles.
 
Rodriguez does what he does so well. Surprising result from Froome, the climb did not really suit him. Contador not looking so great so far. Martin must be frustrated with his GC position. Horrible crash, luckily no one killed themselves hitting the pole. Will be interesting to see how Sky approach the next stages re the Yellow jersey. Martins' team will undoubtedly go all out on the cobbles. Gerrans season is now an official write off and Cancellara's not much better. Many people are expecting more drama on the next stage. Expect another GC shake up.
 
Jun 15, 2009
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movingtarget said:
Surprising result from Froome, the climb did not really suit him.
Well, I guess it suits him very well, otherwise he would not have finished 0.93 seconds behind the stage winner, right? ;)
 
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BigMac said:
The crash from an Orica's mech perspective. You can feel the drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7raIxrzodt4

Great video.
Really great that Orica do all these videos, this just goes to show what absolute mayhem there can be when multiple riders are involved in a bad crash and we just don't see that side of our sport when we watch on TV.

It's never nice when a race is neutralised and its easy to get wound up in the heat of the moment (pages 14-16) but with so many riders hurt they had no ambulances or doctors following the lead group, had their been another big crash riders would not have been able to get help for a long time, which of course could be serious depending on the injuries.
 
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blaxland said:
Great ride by froome and Purito they both were monsters on the Huy.Yates showed us he has class and guts to finish top 10.Contador looked a little tired atm but could just be playing games?time will tell.bring on the cobbles.
You don't play games and loose time at the same time.
 
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I'm not concerned about Contador's time loss and neither should anyone else. He'll be fine when the tour hits the bigger climbs.
 
If a rider loses time in all 3 stages then yeah, it is definitely a cause for concern for fans of that rider. No way to sugarcoat it. The time lost on the flat, on Huy or in ITT is worth as much as the time gained on the mountain, downhill, etc.
Especially since Froome due to his climbing style is better on longer climbs than on Huy.

I don't get what is your logic behind a statement that a time loss is not a concern
 
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Tryphon said:
Feel a lotta love for Laurens ten dam,guy is a soldier.One tough cookie and a good guy.
+1. Great guy, super talent and tough as nails. This is one of my favourite cycling photos of all time.....

 
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London Hibs said:
Susan Westemeyer said:
Tony Martin said that his team asked the commissars about that. They double checked and the difference between Rodriguez' rear wheel and Froome's front wheel was .93 of a second. It hs to be a full second to make a time difference.
I'll take your word for it, Susan. It simply didn't look that way to my eye.
Don't take my word, take Tony's word.

http://www.tonymartin.de/en/
 
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Ricksterh1 said:
reshp1 said:
Man, as much as we admire these guys for being total bad asses, part of me worries that the continue at all costs culture of cycling is going too far sometimes. Cancellara riding with a broken back, TenDam with a dislocated shoulder, contador with a broken ankle last year, Horner with a concussion so bad he didn't know where he was a few years before.. sooner or later something really bad is going to happen because a rider didn't have the sense to stop.
This is one sport where little has been done for years to add protection for riders. (1) Speeds have increased yet protection hasn't. I know of no sport, even full contact sports like American football, where broken bones and major abrasions are so accepted as part of the sport. Where is the advances in clothing protection? (2) Why not fabric with kevlar to protect when falling off the bike. Some type of tape for legs and arms, elbow pads and such would certainly help avoid injuries in crashes. Course design would also help. Seeing those pillars in the middle of the road after the high speed crash made me wince. Not sure how they made it through without another crash. There is really no reason for the amount and severity of crashes in the peleton if rider safety was really paramount. The old school approach that it was good enough in the good old days and it should be good enough now holds little sway. There needs to be serious attention placed on rider safety, how to avoid and mitigate crashes and make the pro peleton a safer place. Not many sports where the major players are taken out of contention because of crashes. A level playing field would certainly help the competitive nature of cycling and give one the strongest field in races. This way, major races are often decided by crashes and such where "bike handling" is blamed. Why not just add to the spice and put drunk drivers that hate cyclists on course? Make it a true blood sport? (kidding but highly sarcastic). This would not be acceptable in any other sport, even the fighting sports where you try to kick the crap out of your opponent. Something needs to be done!
1: Not true. They're wearing helmets now.

2: I don't think the riders would accept that. Wasn't there a lot of protest when helmets were first made mandatory? Back then helmets were seen as heavy and hot, now of course they've managed to make helmets that are lightweight and actually give the riders an advantage when it comes to being aero.
Think there would be a lot of protest if, after all the work that has been done to make cycling clothes as light and tight-fitting as possible, the riders were suddenly told they had to wear extra protection gear. However, I do think that if someone was able to invent some sort of protection that was still lightweight and easy to move in, then that person would become very rich. Just imagine it; no-tear cycling clothes.
 
Jan 3, 2011
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Cimber said:
Seems Martin might actually have been cheated and should have gotten yellow since Froome was actually 1 sec behind Jrod (but got same time) and according to miliseconds after the TT on stage one Martin shoudl have gotten the jersey if Froome had been clocked correctly 1 sec behind JRod

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=da&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsporten.tv2.dk%2Fcykling%2Ftour%2F2015-07-07-tour-fejl-blev-tony-martin-snydt-for-den-gule-troeje
Did you read the article you just quoted? It says 0.93 seconds, which by the rules for many years have meant that it counts as same time.
 
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wwabbit said:
Cimber said:
Seems Martin might actually have been cheated and should have gotten yellow since Froome was actually 1 sec behind Jrod (but got same time) and according to miliseconds after the TT on stage one Martin shoudl have gotten the jersey if Froome had been clocked correctly 1 sec behind JRod

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=da&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsporten.tv2.dk%2Fcykling%2Ftour%2F2015-07-07-tour-fejl-blev-tony-martin-snydt-for-den-gule-troeje
Did you read the article you just quoted? It says 0.93 seconds, which by the rules for many years have meant that it counts as same time.
Yep rules are rules, but if you actually clock the correct time (with miliseconds) Martin would lead.
So while Froome has yellow, cos rules are rules, its still a peculiar case since the actual time has Martin in the lead by 0,06 secs
 
Cimber said:
wwabbit said:
Cimber said:
Seems Martin might actually have been cheated and should have gotten yellow since Froome was actually 1 sec behind Jrod (but got same time) and according to miliseconds after the TT on stage one Martin shoudl have gotten the jersey if Froome had been clocked correctly 1 sec behind JRod

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=da&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsporten.tv2.dk%2Fcykling%2Ftour%2F2015-07-07-tour-fejl-blev-tony-martin-snydt-for-den-gule-troeje
Did you read the article you just quoted? It says 0.93 seconds, which by the rules for many years have meant that it counts as same time.
Yep rules are rules, but if you actually clock the correct time (with miliseconds) it seems as if Martin would have gotten yellow by 0,06 secs.
So how was he "cheated" ?
 
Jan 3, 2011
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wwabbit said:
Cimber said:
wwabbit said:
Cimber said:
Seems Martin might actually have been cheated and should have gotten yellow since Froome was actually 1 sec behind Jrod (but got same time) and according to miliseconds after the TT on stage one Martin shoudl have gotten the jersey if Froome had been clocked correctly 1 sec behind JRod

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=da&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsporten.tv2.dk%2Fcykling%2Ftour%2F2015-07-07-tour-fejl-blev-tony-martin-snydt-for-den-gule-troeje
Did you read the article you just quoted? It says 0.93 seconds, which by the rules for many years have meant that it counts as same time.
Yep rules are rules, but if you actually clock the correct time (with miliseconds) it seems as if Martin would have gotten yellow by 0,06 secs.
So how was he "cheated" ?
He was "cheated" in the sense that the rules are made in a way that its not always the guy who used less time you is actually in the yellow jersey. In theory we could have a Tour winner who did the Tour a little slower than no.1 (disregarding time bonusses).

So while Froome is "legally" in yellow, Martin is morally in a way :)

Anyways, we are in 2015 now, maybe its time they reviewed these rules in the future, since measuring actual time in 0,0 and 0,00 seconds is not really a big deal these days.
 

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