2015 Vuelta Stage 17 : Burgos - Burgos ITT 39 km

Page 24 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.
Re: Re:

pastronef said:
BeagRigh said:
LaFlorecita said:
Red Rick said:
Ohwell, if only Landa had waited
Yeah, good point. He could have gained at least 10s-15s more with Landa's help.

Didn't even need the extra time, if Aru won the stage he'd have got 4 more bonus seconds and be in red... :eek:

Hindsight etc etc

but MArtinelli said to Landa that he should wait and Aru would leave him the stage win

If Landa was going full speed, then waiting, and going full speed in front of Aru would result in worse time overall.
Surely Aru would pass him once Landa faded and get a stage win (plus bonus seconds). Martinelli is full of s**t
 
Re:

vedrafjord said:
What should Dumoulin do tactics wise now? Should he try and pick up a few seconds tomorrow or Friday to have a buffer for Saturday?
Definitely should try to get some seconds wherever he can. Even in the sprints he could try (a decent lead-out train for the intermediates is about the only way his team could help him now). It's hard to see Aru not taking a few seconds somewhere in the next three stages, so even if Dumoulin could gain 5 or 6 from somewhere, it could be massive.
 
Re:

Kwibus said:
Some people need to get their act together.

What happened: one of the worlds best TT riders smashed the TT on a course well suited to him and Aru simply rode a good GC TT like he can do.

Not much extraordinary happened today. And we end up with a few thriling final days.

That about sums it up.

Dumoulin looks totally gorgeous and as one with the ITT bike. But then it is his venue.

Aru looked better on the ITT bike and has obviously worked on his position. IMO he is an ugly climber, not Froome ugly, but ugly.

I have no preference who wins at this point, so may the best man win! Hopefully it will be a grand battle :).
 
Re: Re:

fauniera said:
Carols said:
Yep it's over. One more time he let us and himself down. He's to old now..........

He is only a minute behind. Dumoulin will be glued to Aru's wheel, that could be Purito's chance. Not that he deserves it, but it's far from over. Tactically he is in a good position.
Can't see him getting a minute over Aru. If he attacks in the last few km, Aru will be straight on his wheel, because using Purito's explosivity is a great chance to break Dumoulin. If he attacks further out; he'll crash and burn as Landa gradually hauls him back in.
 
Aug 16, 2011
10,819
2
0
Re:

vedrafjord said:
What should Dumoulin do tactics wise now? Should he try and pick up a few seconds tomorrow or Friday to have a buffer for Saturday?

I think he just needs to keep tabs on Aru, not let him get even an inch on him and if an opportunity arises where Aru is in a bad place use it to gain time (such as a sprint for bonus seconds or if Aru bonked on a climb).

He should avoid using unnecessary energy and going out of his way to gain time at this point. Doing so could backfire. He needs to be at full strength when Aru makes his move, which he will at some point.
 
Re: Re:

Miburo said:
Kwibus said:
Some people need to get their act together.

What happened: one of the worlds best TT riders smashed the TT on a course well suited to him and Aru simply rode a good GC TT like he can do.

Not much extraordinary happened today. And we end up with a few thriling final days.

It actually is, how do you combine that climbing abilitiy and the uphill sprinting with such great ITT? You would assume his ITT went downhill cause of it

We all know what the answer to this question was in the past.

But you're dutch, so it's all good.

He is 24 and has been making big steps every year since he became a pro. He started late with cycling.
He's been getting better at everything over the last 3 years and he's still more a TT rider then climber.
It's ridiculous to compare him with Froome.

Clinic stuff belongs in the clinic. I'll see if it can bother going there tonight.
 
Aug 16, 2013
7,620
2
0
Re: Re:

Carols said:
StannisBaratheon said:
BigMac said:
Purito on twitter;

''I'm sorry
I will keep trying
It doesn't end here''

Not sure if he means this Vuelta or another shot in years to come.
This was his last chance, it is over.

Yep it's over. One more time he let us and himself down. He's to old now..........

Let us down? :eek:

Why? Don't exaggerate. He just loses a race due to a TT. He does what he can, and i'm not that disappointed. Actually with a rider like Dumoulin, it's impossible to hold him off in a TT.
 
Rodriguez being a smaller rider is no excuse; Valverde (banged up and mildly ill) proved that. If you look at J-Rod's TT position, it's head up and shoulders up. Especially in the first half or so (the last few kms he got down a bit). You can see his discomfort. There are some French guys who have better tucks while cruising through long, flat road stages. If Rod could be trained to tuck he could use more of his available power much more efficiently.
 
Jul 17, 2011
95
0
0
Hehe - on Danish Eurosport they said that 'Batman and Robin' (Valverde and Quintana) is within striking distance and surely will try something. It will be epic cycling days to come. Not only will they fight for the win, they will also fight for the podium. Astana will have to ride like they are in red jersey. Can Landa reel everybody in? It will be ever interesting to watch.
 
Re: Re:

Arredondo said:
Carols said:
StannisBaratheon said:
BigMac said:
Purito on twitter;

''I'm sorry
I will keep trying
It doesn't end here''

Not sure if he means this Vuelta or another shot in years to come.
This was his last chance, it is over.

Yep it's over. One more time he let us and himself down. He's to old now..........

Let us down? :eek:

Why? Don't exaggerate. He just loses a race due to a TT. He does what he can, and i'm not that disappointed. Actually with a rider like Dumoulin, it's impossible to hold him off in a TT.

I've spent years willing Purito to win a GT and he always blows it. He is still a grand rider; on all 3 GT podiums, winner of semi classics and classics, WT shorter stages races, etc. But he'll never win a GT, his time is past. So yes I'm disappointed because once again I believed it was possible. Expectations color ones perceptions.....
 
Aug 16, 2013
7,620
2
0
Re: Re:

Carols said:
Arredondo said:
Carols said:
StannisBaratheon said:
BigMac said:
Purito on twitter;

''I'm sorry
I will keep trying
It doesn't end here''

Not sure if he means this Vuelta or another shot in years to come.
This was his last chance, it is over.

Yep it's over. One more time he let us and himself down. He's to old now..........

Let us down? :eek:

Why? Don't exaggerate. He just loses a race due to a TT. He does what he can, and i'm not that disappointed. Actually with a rider like Dumoulin, it's impossible to hold him off in a TT.

I've spent years willing Purito to win a GT and he always blows it. He is still a grand rider; on all 3 GT podiums, winner of semi classics and classics, WT shorter stages races, etc. But he'll never win a GT, his time is past. So yes I'm disappointed because once again I believed it was possible. Expectations color ones perceptions.....

His two chances were in 2012. He had to win these. But i think he did everything right this year. In most of the mountain stages, he was on his limit. He's just missing that 1/2% extra he had in 2012/2013.

I will be happy with a podium + stage win + perhaps green.

A lot of riders don't win GT's. Just like they are multiple great riders who will never be WC ;)
 
Re: Re:

ice&fire said:
TomLPC said:
DFA123 said:
saganist said:
Are there time bonus at the intermediate sprints? How much?
3,2,1 seconds for first three.

Next couple of stages' intermediates are flat enough such that we might see big John on leadout.
If Big John can lead out tomorrow either they are riding like cyclotourists or Big John can win Liege.

I dunno man, coming after 2 fairly mundane cat 3's and a few bumps, I doubt Astana will be pushing a monster pace yet, might save it for the cat 1 at the end, so unless the breakaway takes it which is entirely possible, some of the Giant lot will probably still be there at that point, there will surely be a scramble for the 3 seconds.
 
Maybe purito has a chance in next years giro. If there are not too many top tier riders, he might have another chance. Its also not completely over for him yet. If dumoulin is isolated on stage 20 a lot can happen
 
Aug 3, 2009
1,562
0
0
Re: Re:

TomLPC said:
ice&fire said:
TomLPC said:
DFA123 said:
saganist said:
Are there time bonus at the intermediate sprints? How much?
3,2,1 seconds for first three.

Next couple of stages' intermediates are flat enough such that we might see big John on leadout.
If Big John can lead out tomorrow either they are riding like cyclotourists or Big John can win Liege.

I dunno man, coming after 2 fairly mundane cat 3's and a few bumps, I doubt Astana will be pushing a monster pace yet, might save it for the cat 1 at the end, so unless the breakaway takes it which is entirely possible, some of the Giant lot will probably still be there at that point, there will surely be a scramble for the 3 seconds.

They will have to sacrifice the team early, can't see how noone will want to break away. Break will mop up those seconds