2015 Vuelta stage 2: Alhaurín de la Torre / Caminito del Rey

[hrotha]

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You don't get it. the only way he could gain time on his rivals today was exactly that way he was ridden. Late 500m charge can gain him couple of seconds if he's lucky enough to drop Valverde. If the charge is longer, he fades and they catch him

I get it alright, I just think it's hogwash.

If the charge is longer, he just needs to turn it into a normal attack instead of making it a sprint at 100% of his capacity. He's done it before, the universe didn't implode and he wasn't dropped by his rivals.

 

[DFA123]

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You don't get it. the only way he could gain time on his rivals today was exactly that way he was ridden. Late 500m charge can gain him couple of seconds if he's lucky enough to drop Valverde. If the charge is longer, he fades and they catch him

I get it alright, I just think it's hogwash.

If the charge is longer, he just needs to turn it into a normal attack instead of making it a sprint at 100% of his capacity. He's done it before, the universe didn't implode and he wasn't dropped by his rivals.

Exactly, the guy won on Plateau de Beille a month ago. He has a lot more to his riding than a quick punch in the last 500m.

 

[No_Balls]

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Nibali turbo speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClwG4DD7sbY

Lol. Now we know why he had to wait after Aru. He had a cab to catch.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I suspect that although it isn't right, the fact that it's the first road stage and it's somebody as major as Nibali means he will likely be allowed to stay in the race (whereas if it were stage 11 or so and especially if it was a relatively inconsequential domestique they would probably get the DQ), but the fact that that video has now gone out and been seen and shared online means the organizers will have to do something otherwise they could be in for a rough three weeks trying to keep order; it's got to be a penalty and realistically the usual 1- or 2-minute penalties might not be sufficient given how blatant that was and how obviously the race can be affected by it. 5 mins might be an acceptable compromise.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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First mtf is too early to make any real determination on the contenders form.

+1000000

Indeed. All that none sense whether Nairito was strong or weak, whether the Alien & SKY are up to the task, whether Valpiti & Purito aren't at their best ........ just rubbish

a 4K bump on stage 2 can't determine anything at all - it was a "warm up"

A few seconds either way on a finish like this, which is all there was between most contenders, tells us very little, I agree. But for a few riders it can tell us something. Quintana getting dropped by the escape group and losing 30 seconds to them in a short period of time does tell us something. Someone like Talansky shipping three minutes tells us something. Drawing conclusions from Aru coming in five seconds ahead of Landa or Purito a few seconds ahead of Valverde on the other hand is no better than cutting open a sheep and reading the future in its entrails.

 

[hrotha]

Maybe that's how Nibali trains now; that would explain why he sucks this season.

Regardless, it's a disgrace how often he does this ****. I really hope they DQ him.

 

[TomLPC]

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Nibali turbo speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClwG4DD7sbY

Disgusting hope he gets a 2 minute penalty.

Christ CAN YOU IMAGINE the meltdown if Froome did that??!

+1000

B B B BUT... ILLEGAL FEED... PORTE

 

[Rollthedice]

Was it Vino driving?

 

[Billie]

50 swiss francs. Same as Peraud got. Thats what he should get.

Not sure what all the fuss is about. Happens all the time riders come back when there is barrage

 

[DFA123]

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50 swiss francs. Same as Peraud got. Thats what he should get.

Not sure what all the fuss is about. Happens all the time riders come back when there is barrage

It really doesn't - not like that anyway. Riders might hold on to a bottle for 4-5 seconds going at normal speed to catch a rest, or they might draft behind a team car.

They don't hold onto the team car for 10+ seconds when it's going about 80km/h.

 

[Billie]

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50 swiss francs. Same as Peraud got. Thats what he should get.

Not sure what all the fuss is about. Happens all the time riders come back when there is barrage

It really doesn't - not like that anyway. Riders might hold on to a bottle for 4-5 seconds going at normal speed to catch a rest, or they might draft behind a team car.

They don't hold onto the team car for 10+ seconds when it's going about 80km/h.

You have no idea really. It's a shame there is never a camera bike between the team cars at the back on mountain stages. 4 guys on one car. The guys inside looking out for the jury. Once they see one they tell the riders to let go.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: 2015 Vuelta stage 2: Alhaurín de la Torre / Caminito del

I like Nibali and I hope he can race on but I wouldnt complain if he gets disqualified

 

[sir fly]

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I suspect that although it isn't right, the fact that it's the first road stage and it's somebody as major as Nibali means he will likely be allowed to stay in the race (whereas if it were stage 11 or so and especially if it was a relatively inconsequential domestique they would probably get the DQ), but the fact that that video has now gone out and been seen and shared online means the organizers will have to do something otherwise they could be in for a rough three weeks trying to keep order; it's got to be a penalty and realistically the usual 1- or 2-minute penalties might not be sufficient given how blatant that was and how obviously the race can be affected by it. 5 mins might be an acceptable compromise.

That's the exact point.
It's really sad how that arrogant environment is affecting Nibali's image.
The Italian contingent should do something to build respectable domestic team.

 

[DFA123]

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50 swiss francs. Same as Peraud got. Thats what he should get.

Not sure what all the fuss is about. Happens all the time riders come back when there is barrage

It really doesn't - not like that anyway. Riders might hold on to a bottle for 4-5 seconds going at normal speed to catch a rest, or they might draft behind a team car.

They don't hold onto the team car for 10+ seconds when it's going about 80km/h.

You have no idea really. It's a shame there is never a camera bike between the team cars at the back on mountain stages. 4 guys on one car. The guys inside looking out for the jury. Once they see one they tell the riders to let go.

What does this have to do with your original point about coming back to the lead group after a crash? Completely different scenario in the gruppeto on a mountain stage.

 

[willbick]

It's funny how u guys always expect quintana to be the best on every different climb!

 

[SeriousSam]

Couldn't watch today. Can anyone explain why Aru wasn't able to dispatch the tired Tour riders? He seems to have finished behind most of them, except good old Nibali.

 

[SkyTears]

i was wondering how Nibali come back, gap was 2 minutes and 10 minutes later was in the full speed peleton

 

[jaylew]

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50 swiss francs. Same as Peraud got. Thats what he should get.

Not sure what all the fuss is about. Happens all the time riders come back when there is barrage

Oh, c'mon. This is above and beyond what normally happens. I mean, he's at the front of a large group and he (really the car) just drops them.

I wouldn't have any problem at all with a DQ.

 

[willbick]

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Couldn't watch today. Can anyone explain why Aru wasn't able to dispatch the tired Tour riders? He seems to have finished behind most of them, except good old Nibali.

Lol u say some silly things. The tour riders obviously aren't tired now, they've only just started the vuelta! Maybe in a couple of weeks le tour will catch up with them. And this is just one short climb. U guys expect riders to perform great on every climb. There is a long way to go. U need to learn some patience!!

 

[DFA123]

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i was wondering how Nibali come back, gap was 2 minutes and 10 minutes later was in the full speed peleton

That's a bit of a dis-service to his team-mates who absolutely buried themselves. Particularly Zeits who dropped back from the lead group. Nibali also dug really deep which cost him on the climb. The help rom the car probably gained him 15-20 seconds.

Still, that video is ridiculous and deserves a punishment.

 

[Billie]

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50 swiss francs. Same as Peraud got. Thats what he should get.

Not sure what all the fuss is about. Happens all the time riders come back when there is barrage

Oh, c'mon. This is above and beyond what normally happens. I mean, he's at the front of a large group and he (really the car) just drops them.

guys that have already dropped off and are taking it easy.

 

[jaylew]

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50 swiss francs. Same as Peraud got. Thats what he should get.

Not sure what all the fuss is about. Happens all the time riders come back when there is barrage

Oh, c'mon. This is above and beyond what normally happens. I mean, he's at the front of a large group and he (really the car) just drops them.

guys that have already dropped off and are taking it easy.

If they were taking it that easy, they wouldn't have been trying to hang onto Nibali's wheel as he was hammering to catch the front group.

 

[No_Balls]

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Nibali turbo speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClwG4DD7sbY

Disgusting hope he gets a 2 minute penalty.

Christ CAN YOU IMAGINE the meltdown if Froome did that??!

Well, hanging on to moto vehicles was how we used to see Froome pre 2011 so no worry for a meltdown.

 

[Billie]

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i was wondering how Nibali come back, gap was 2 minutes and 10 minutes later was in the full speed peleton

That's a bit of a dis-service to his team-mates who absolutely buried themselves. Particularly Zeits who dropped back from the lead group. Nibali also dug really deep which cost him on the climb. The help rom the car probably gained him 15-20 seconds.

INdeed. Cataldo, Vanotti, Zeits and Rosa all buried themselves like madmen. hats off to them. THey actually kept it clean for 95% of the chase. I was surprised it took so long before he used any teamcar.

Riders get helped all the time by team cars. Don't havve any problem with it if it's after a crash.
Also for exaple there was no barrage from the team cars between the two groups of about 70 riders. Only reason second group came back was because they could use team cars.

 

[SkyTears]

Meeting taking place now of #Vuelta jury to determine any sanction for holding on to cars.