2015 Vuelta stage 2: Alhaurín de la Torre / Caminito del Rey

[Carols]

Holy crap, poor Paulo . What a warrior!

 

[Fernandez]

Cyclists are fu... hard.

 

[Tank Engine]

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Give him a time penalty.5:00 minutes. But don't throw him out. This Vuelta was shaping up to be one of the best now you lose one of the better riders.

It's not in the rules though. According to the rules it is either a 'push off a car' which is a 10 second penalty, or holding onto the car, which is DQ. 10 seconds seems far too lenient so they had to DQ him.

It's a dangerous game to start making up arbitary time penalties outside of the rules.

Exactly. Maybe the option of a 5 or 10 minute penalty should be in the rules, but it's not. There was no way that it could be interpreted as "a push off a car".

On the coverage I had they must have gone for a break, since just before I saw Nibali at the head of quite a big group and when they came back he was just with Zeits not far behind the peloton. Now I know how that happened.

Apart from that. It's a shame that he's out, since he is a good animator of a race.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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Wonder how Aru feels about that

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[dicanio_michael]

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Give him a time penalty.5:00 minutes. But don't throw him out. This Vuelta was shaping up to be one of the best now you lose one of the better riders.

It's not in the rules though. According to the rules it is either a 'push off a car' which is a 10 second penalty, or holding onto the car, which is DQ. 10 seconds seems far too lenient so they had to DQ him.

It's a dangerous game to start making up arbitary time penalties outside of the rules.

Exactly. Maybe the option of a 5 or 10 minute penalty should be in the rules, but it's not. There was no way that it could be interpreted as "a push off a car".

On the coverage I had they must have gone for a break, since just before I saw Nibali at the head of quite a big group and when they came back he was just with Zeits not far behind the peloton. Now I know how that happened.

Apart from that. It's a shame that he's out, since he is a good animator of a race.

If this rule appears, then none of the sprinter would ride mountains properly. They would just hold on the car and accept the penalty. This already sounded ridiculous.

Btw, it's not a shame to lose a cheater, since when the riders in clinic are missed, same type

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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Give him a time penalty.5:00 minutes. But don't throw him out. This Vuelta was shaping up to be one of the best now you lose one of the better riders.

I think a multiple minute time penalty is appropriate, a DQ from the race definitely isn't. I mean, he didn't gain any advantage for the upcoming stages or whatever by doing what he did, nor did he put the safety of other riders in danger.

Of course he did - he would have managed to stay in contention for the GC, and he'd have saved some energy on top of that.

Hence why I plead for a multiple minute penalty so he's out of gc contention. And whatever tiny amount of energy he saved there sure is not going to have any sort of impact on next days.

You know? The nitpickers at their best. What a shame. A (whatever how big) time penalty would have been enough.

 

[b.broadhurst]

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Sky are going to make this boring in the mountains.

They had 4 in the front group today.

Froome at 70% can beat everyone here as there is no Nibali or Contador.

 

[Mr.White]

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Froome got given a second on the GC over Valverde and Moreno. It's pretty meaningless as Valverde got those two bonus seconds, and the screencap is slightly misleading as Froome sat up a bit at the line, but I wouldn't be surprised if the race jury give the all three the same time by the time they roll out tomorrow.

I rewatched the stage, there was no gap at all between Froome and Valverde

 

[Mr.White]

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Sky are going to make this boring in the mountains.

They had 4 in the front group today.

Froome at 70% can beat everyone here as there is no Nibali or Contador.

The same Froome who hang on for dear life at Alpe d'Huez?

 

[b.broadhurst]

Re: 2015 Vuelta stage 2: Alhaurín de la Torre / Caminito del

Sky are going to make this boring in the mountains.

They had 4 in the front group today.

Froome at 70% can beat everyone here as there is no Nibali or Contador.

The same Froome who hang on for dear life at Alpe d'Huez?

The one who was sick and suffering from a chest infection.

 

[DFA123]

Re: 2015 Vuelta stage 2: Alhaurín de la Torre / Caminito del

Sky are going to make this boring in the mountains.

They had 4 in the front group today.

Froome at 70% can beat everyone here as there is no Nibali or Contador.

What does that mean? Going at 70% of his usual power in the mountain stages?

If so, he'd be lucky to finish within the time limit.

 

[arvc40]

Froome going to win this easy. Has not got Contador to Box him for 3 weeks. Maybe when he gets a heafty lead he will let Quintana have another gift.

 

[Mr.White]

Re: 2015 Vuelta stage 2: Alhaurín de la Torre / Caminito del

Sky are going to make this boring in the mountains.

They had 4 in the front group today.

Froome at 70% can beat everyone here as there is no Nibali or Contador.

The same Froome who hang on for dear life at Alpe d'Huez?

The one who was sick and suffering from a chest infection.

Oh really, I totally forgot, although I'm aware of his illness history

 

[StannisBaratheon]

With 40km of ITT left Quintana needs to go on the offensive in all the mountain top finishes to even stand a chance. I have a feeling Dawg will win the time trial.

 

[Tank Engine]

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Exactly. Maybe the option of a 5 or 10 minute penalty should be in the rules, but it's not. There was no way that it could be interpreted as "a push off a car".

On the coverage I had they must have gone for a break, since just before I saw Nibali at the head of quite a big group and when they came back he was just with Zeits not far behind the peloton. Now I know how that happened.

Apart from that. It's a shame that he's out, since he is a good animator of a race.

If this rule appears, then none of the sprinter would ride mountains properly. They would just hold on the car and accept the penalty. This already sounded ridiculous.

Btw, it's not a shame to lose a cheater, since when the riders in clinic are missed, same type

And get thrown out for missing the time cut

As for Nibali being thrown out, I definitely have no problem with that. I would have preferred no crash and no subsequent holding on, though.

 

[WildspokeJoe]

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Give him a time penalty.5:00 minutes. But don't throw him out. This Vuelta was shaping up to be one of the best now you lose one of the better riders.

It's not in the rules though. According to the rules it is either a 'push off a car' which is a 10 second penalty, or holding onto the car, which is DQ. 10 seconds seems far too lenient so they had to DQ him.

It's a dangerous game to start making up arbitary time penalties outside of the rules.

Exactly. Maybe the option of a 5 or 10 minute penalty should be in the rules, but it's not. There was no way that it could be interpreted as "a push off a car".

On the coverage I had they must have gone for a break, since just before I saw Nibali at the head of quite a big group and when they came back he was just with Zeits not far behind the peloton. Now I know how that happened.

Apart from that. It's a shame that he's out, since he is a good animator of a race.

The sad thing is if Nibali was not a name rider chances are it would not have been caught on camera. Riders hang on all the time. As for not being a rule. The judges can always work the rules. At the end of the day you want the best riders in the race. To lose one of the best on the first stage for a minor infraction is a shame.

They kick him out, ok cool. But then they should throw out all the riders who get slings when they hold on to the water bottle when the team car accelerates. But we know that will never happen.

 

[willbick]

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Give him a time penalty.5:00 minutes. But don't throw him out. This Vuelta was shaping up to be one of the best now you lose one of the better riders.

It's not in the rules though. According to the rules it is either a 'push off a car' which is a 10 second penalty, or holding onto the car, which is DQ. 10 seconds seems far too lenient so they had to DQ him.

It's a dangerous game to start making up arbitary time penalties outside of the rules.

Exactly. Maybe the option of a 5 or 10 minute penalty should be in the rules, but it's not. There was no way that it could be interpreted as "a push off a car".

On the coverage I had they must have gone for a break, since just before I saw Nibali at the head of quite a big group and when they came back he was just with Zeits not far behind the peloton. Now I know how that happened.

Apart from that. It's a shame that he's out, since he is a good animator of a race.

The sad thing is if Nibali was not a name rider chances are it would not have been caught on camera. Riders hang on all the time. As for not being a rule. The judges can always work the rules. At the end of the day you want the best riders in the race. To lose one of the best on the first stage for a minor infraction is a shame.

They kick him out, ok cool. But then they should throw out all the riders who get slings when they hold on to the water bottle when the team car accelerates. But we know that will never happen.

Riders do not hang on like that 'all the time'. If they allow nibali to do that it will set a ludicrous precedent. U have to draw the line otherwise they may as well just sit in a car

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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Give him a time penalty.5:00 minutes. But don't throw him out. This Vuelta was shaping up to be one of the best now you lose one of the better riders.

It's not in the rules though. According to the rules it is either a 'push off a car' which is a 10 second penalty, or holding onto the car, which is DQ. 10 seconds seems far too lenient so they had to DQ him.

It's a dangerous game to start making up arbitary time penalties outside of the rules.

Exactly. Maybe the option of a 5 or 10 minute penalty should be in the rules, but it's not. There was no way that it could be interpreted as "a push off a car".

On the coverage I had they must have gone for a break, since just before I saw Nibali at the head of quite a big group and when they came back he was just with Zeits not far behind the peloton. Now I know how that happened.

Apart from that. It's a shame that he's out, since he is a good animator of a race.

The sad thing is if Nibali was not a name rider chances are it would not have been caught on camera. Riders hang on all the time. As for not being a rule. The judges can always work the rules. At the end of the day you want the best riders in the race. To lose one of the best on the first stage for a minor infraction is a shame.

They kick him out, ok cool. But then they should throw out all the riders who get slings when they hold on to the water bottle when the team car accelerates. But we know that will never happen.

Yea, but if Nibali was not a name rider, they wouldn't have been bothered about needing to get him back to the front group. Aru wasn't isolated.

 

[willbick]

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Give him a time penalty.5:00 minutes. But don't throw him out. This Vuelta was shaping up to be one of the best now you lose one of the better riders.

It's not in the rules though. According to the rules it is either a 'push off a car' which is a 10 second penalty, or holding onto the car, which is DQ. 10 seconds seems far too lenient so they had to DQ him.

It's a dangerous game to start making up arbitary time penalties outside of the rules.

Exactly. Maybe the option of a 5 or 10 minute penalty should be in the rules, but it's not. There was no way that it could be interpreted as "a push off a car".

On the coverage I had they must have gone for a break, since just before I saw Nibali at the head of quite a big group and when they came back he was just with Zeits not far behind the peloton. Now I know how that happened.

Apart from that. It's a shame that he's out, since he is a good animator of a race.

The sad thing is if Nibali was not a name rider chances are it would not have been caught on camera. Riders hang on all the time. As for not being a rule. The judges can always work the rules. At the end of the day you want the best riders in the race. To lose one of the best on the first stage for a minor infraction is a shame.

They kick him out, ok cool. But then they should throw out all the riders who get slings when they hold on to the water bottle when the team car accelerates. But we know that will never happen.

Yea, but if Nibali was not a name rider, they wouldn't have been bothered about needing to get him back to the front group. Aru wasn't isolated.

Exactly. The only time a team would try to do such a mega turbo bottle to a non GC rider is if a sprinter was struggling on a hill in danger of missing the time cut, as i think happened to Cav once in Sicily. Sometimes they will get away with it coz no-one sees it but if it is seen or is on film then they will be DQ'd and rightly so. They know they will prob be DQ'd if they get caught but they do it coz they are in a desperate situation and feel it is worth the risk. Nibali's GC chances wudda been pretty much over without the mega turbo bottle

 

[jaylew]

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Wonder how Aru feels about that

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Oh good lord, Foxxy. Relax.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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I am... But if I find something serious disgusting, I just tell.

 

[WildspokeJoe]

I was wrong. He should be DQ'd.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Not sure if it's been picked up on but here are a few guys times who I thought either would be in or around the GC top 20:

Tejay .45s
Pozzovivo .54
Henao .56
Majka 1.04
Monfort 1.13
Navarro "
Atapuma 1.21
Samu Sanchez 1.58
Schleck 2.07
Rolland 2.54
Talansky 3.11
Thomas 5.36
Dombrowski 7.13

Obviously some guys were effected by the crash.

 

[Angliru]

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I suspect that although it isn't right, the fact that it's the first road stage and it's somebody as major as Nibali means he will likely be allowed to stay in the race (whereas if it were stage 11 or so and especially if it was a relatively inconsequential domestique they would probably get the DQ), but the fact that that video has now gone out and been seen and shared online means the organizers will have to do something otherwise they could be in for a rough three weeks trying to keep order; it's got to be a penalty and realistically the usual 1- or 2-minute penalties might not be sufficient given how blatant that was and how obviously the race can be affected by it. 5 mins might be an acceptable compromise.

That's the exact point.
It's really sad how that arrogant environment is affecting Nibali's image.
The Italian contingent should do something to build respectable domestic team.

Certainly Nibali has to take the brunt of the responsibility. He's no milquetoast void of independent thought.

 

[phanatic]

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Nibali turbo speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClwG4DD7sbY

Lol. Now we know why he had to wait after Aru. He had a cab to catch.

That's like some Harlem Globetrotters stuff. Somebody start a GoFundMe to pay his fine.