2015 Vuelta stage 20: San Lorenzo de El Escorial>Cercedilla

[StannisBaratheon]

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Absolutely understandable post by Tinkov. I mean, its not like they have a leader in the top 4 who could fight for the win himself

In realistic terms Majka has no chance, his performance should be similar to Andy's long range attack in the '11 Tour

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Re: 2015 Vuelta stage 20: San Lorenzo de El Escorial>Cercedi

Absolutely understandable post by Tinkov. I mean, its not like they have a leader in the top 4 who could fight for the win himself

Don't know if you were sarcastic or not, but no they don't.

 

[SafeBet]

Martirollo?
I mean seriously?

 

[saganist]

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On PCM this would be the greatest stage of all time, but I'm preparing myself to witness this incredibly frustrating placement riding. Today Tinkoff riding behind Valverde, and Astana, just like yesterday when they panicked when Purito attacked, again closing a 30m gap to Purito. Why God, why? Cuz guess what, Dumoulin had Craddock still fresh as a daisy to lead him out on the cobbles, while Aru had... right, nobody.

If Purito goes first tomorrow, Aru needs to grow a pair of balls, even if he has 752189 team mates left, put on a poker face and sit behind Dumoulin.

That's not going to happen'

If Astana chases Purito down instead of letting TD doing it, I'll smash my TV (a la Oleg)

 

[Escarabajo]

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Oleg giving team orders.

LOL!!!

 

[Escarabajo]

Tomorrow will be 1985 Vuelta all over again. I see it!!!!

 

[KyoGrey]

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San Lorenzo de El Escorial what a great place for a dutch

Ha, ha, well, half of Netherlands (todays Belgium) didn't mind to be ruled from here...

...by the guys buried inside...

With the other half...I guess we had our differences for some time

 

[doperhopper]

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The problem for Aru is that even if he puts some 30 sec on TD on the penultimate climb, Doomolin can diesel it back on Cotos and the long flat on the top, depending on how many climbers will be there to help Fabio. And anything can happen on the descent.

Therefore, at least Landa has to go into the break and maybe another guy to do early Cotos pacing. Oleg tweets about the revenge for Mortirolo, so certainly no help from Majka, he can even pace TD if Aru goes full ***.

On the other hand, Movistar will certainly want to rip the group into pieces as early as possible, and if Purito is on form, they can try to crack TD already on the first climb (my wet dream). Then the top 6-7 climbers (with Landa/Moreno) catch the break if there's any, use them in the valley and ride away to the glory. Not going to happen, but just imagine... (although, something similar happened in Dauphine this year, 100k+ attack of big names, Nibs/Valverde to show Skyborgs they are not untouchable).

 

[Gigs_98]

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Absolutely understandable post by Tinkov. I mean, its not like they have a leader in the top 4 who could fight for the win himself

Don't know if you were sarcastic or not, but no they don't.

okay that was a little bit optimistic, but a podium is definitely possible and we also have to wait how the race will unfold. As written earlier, if Astana doesnt help Giant to control the race we might have a situation in which riders like Quintana attack very early on with some domestiques. If majka follows such an attack the race situation could get very interesting and chaotic. Although I know that such a situation is very very unlikely, Tinkov would make it impossible if he helps Giant.

 

[hfer07]

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Nairito to pull an Alpe d'Huez and finish on the podium

Dumoulin somehow to win La Vuelta

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Oleg giving team orders.

LOL!!!

He was already secretly working for Dumoulin before

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: 2015 Vuelta stage 20: San Lorenzo de El Escorial>Cercedi

The problem for Aru is that even if he puts some 30 sec on TD on the penultimate climb, Doomolin can diesel it back on Cotos and the long flat on the top, depending on how many climbers will be there to help Fabio. And anything can happen on the descent.

Therefore, at least Landa has to go into the break and maybe another guy to do early Cotos pacing. Oleg tweets about the revenge for Mortirolo, so certainly no help from Majka, he can even pace TD if Aru goes full ***.

On the other hand, Movistar will certainly want to rip the group into pieces as early as possible, and if Purito is on form, they can try to crack TD already on the first climb (my wet dream). Then the top 6-7 climbers (with Landa/Moreno) catch the break if there's any, use them in the valley and ride away to the glory. Not going to happen, but just imagine... (although, something similar happened in Dauphine this year, 100k+ attack of big names, Nibs/Valverde to show Skyborgs they are not untouchable).

That was great. Nibali, Valverde, Costa, Gallopin and Martin were in that break, if I remember correctly.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Re: 2015 Vuelta stage 20: San Lorenzo de El Escorial>Cercedi

The problem for Aru is that even if he puts some 30 sec on TD on the penultimate climb, Doomolin can diesel it back on Cotos and the long flat on the top, depending on how many climbers will be there to help Fabio. And anything can happen on the descent.

Therefore, at least Landa has to go into the break and maybe another guy to do early Cotos pacing. Oleg tweets about the revenge for Mortirolo, so certainly no help from Majka, he can even pace TD if Aru goes full ***.

On the other hand, Movistar will certainly want to rip the group into pieces as early as possible, and if Purito is on form, they can try to crack TD already on the first climb (my wet dream). Then the top 6-7 climbers (with Landa/Moreno) catch the break if there's any, use them in the valley and ride away to the glory. Not going to happen, but just imagine... (although, something similar happened in Dauphine this year, 100k+ attack of big names, Nibs/Valverde to show Skyborgs they are not untouchable).

Purito looks emtpy. And it's the end of the 3rd week. It would not be normal if they have such forces.
Simply not going to happen.

I think we'll not see any serious attempt until the final climb. If Aru can drop Dumoulin AND have a teammate or a solid other gc men there (Valverde?), he could do it. If not.. then nothing will happen. 20 men sprint.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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headwind on the final climb according to the weather forecast.

 

[Pantani_lives]

The duel we all want to see: Valverde vs. Quintana for fifth place!

 

[Rollthedice]

So, how are our Dutch friends feeling before the great final showdown? Will all of Netherlands follow the race tomorrow? I read somewhere that at the beginning of the Vuelta there were only two Dutch journos in Spain.

 

[Metal earth]

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So, how are our Dutch friends feeling before the great final showdown? Will all of Netherlands follow the race tomorrow? I read somewhere that at the beginning of the Vuelta there were only two Dutch journos in Spain.

Let me tell you I have been following cycling for nearly 20 years and never have I been more anxious and nervous than I am for tomorrow's stage, it's absolutely crazy that a dutch guy is vying for the win in a grand tour. It's gonna be a long but exciting day tomorrow.

 

[Billie]

anybody knows the hundreths from the TT?

found them already. .2 for Dumoulin and .3 for Aru so if they finish in ST Dumoulin wins

 

[Flamin]

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On PCM this would be the greatest stage of all time, but I'm preparing myself to witness this incredibly frustrating placement riding. Today Tinkoff riding behind Valverde, and Astana, just like yesterday when they panicked when Purito attacked, again closing a 30m gap to Purito. Why God, why? Cuz guess what, Dumoulin had Craddock still fresh as a daisy to lead him out on the cobbles, while Aru had... right, nobody.

If Purito goes first tomorrow, Aru needs to grow a pair of balls, even if he has 752189 team mates left, put on a poker face and sit behind Dumoulin.

That's not going to happen'

If Astana chases Purito down instead of letting TD doing it, I'll smash my TV (a la Oleg)

This

 

[classicomano]

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So, how are our Dutch friends feeling before the great final showdown? Will all of Netherlands follow the race tomorrow? I read somewhere that at the beginning of the Vuelta there were only two Dutch journos in Spain.

The hype over here is immense, the whole country is completely on the Dumoulin bandwagon. But me, im totally tranquillo, this whole Vuelta has already been an orgasmic experience so "just" a podium finish would be fine with me.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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So, how are our Dutch friends feeling before the great final showdown? Will all of Netherlands follow the race tomorrow? I read somewhere that at the beginning of the Vuelta there were only two Dutch journos in Spain.

The hype over here is immense, the whole country is completely on the Dumoulin bandwagon. But me, im totally tranquillo, this whole Vuelta has already been an orgasmic experience so "just" a podium finish would be fine with me.

I'd said the same if he was out of winning contention after last weekend.
But now, crazy enough as it sounds, a 2nd or 3rd place would be heartbreaking.
This is a unique shot at a Dutch GT victory, something that hasn't happened in 35 years, I wasn't even born when Zoetemelk won the Tour.

 

[Fernandez]

I really want him winning the Vuelta, way more than Aru. He reminds me the Great Indurain.

 

[Rollthedice]

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So, how are our Dutch friends feeling before the great final showdown? Will all of Netherlands follow the race tomorrow? I read somewhere that at the beginning of the Vuelta there were only two Dutch journos in Spain.

The hype over here is immense, the whole country is completely on the Dumoulin bandwagon. But me, im totally tranquillo, this whole Vuelta has already been an orgasmic experience so "just" a podium finish would be fine with me.

I'd said the same if he was out of winning contention after last weekend.
But now, crazy enough as it sounds, a 2nd or 3rd place would be heartbreaking.
This is a unique shot at a Dutch GT victory, something that hasn't happened in 35 years, I wasn't even born when Zoetemelk won the Tour.

Yes, he has to finish it off. Don't know how to take this but Martinelli said Tom demonstrated he is the strongest climber in the race.

 

[classicomano]

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So, how are our Dutch friends feeling before the great final showdown? Will all of Netherlands follow the race tomorrow? I read somewhere that at the beginning of the Vuelta there were only two Dutch journos in Spain.

The hype over here is immense, the whole country is completely on the Dumoulin bandwagon. But me, im totally tranquillo, this whole Vuelta has already been an orgasmic experience so "just" a podium finish would be fine with me.

I'd said the same if he was out of winning contention after last weekend.
But now, crazy enough as it sounds, a 2nd or 3rd place would be heartbreaking.
This is a unique shot at a Dutch GT victory, something that hasn't happened in 35 years, I wasn't even born when Zoetemelk won the Tour.

Yes of course, but its already been so much more than we've hoped for that it would be silly to sulk over coming 2nd. I'll be happy no matter what.

 

[Red Rick]

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So, how are our Dutch friends feeling before the great final showdown? Will all of Netherlands follow the race tomorrow? I read somewhere that at the beginning of the Vuelta there were only two Dutch journos in Spain.

The hype over here is immense, the whole country is completely on the Dumoulin bandwagon. But me, im totally tranquillo, this whole Vuelta has already been an orgasmic experience so "just" a podium finish would be fine with me.

I'd said the same if he was out of winning contention after last weekend.
But now, crazy enough as it sounds, a 2nd or 3rd place would be heartbreaking.
This is a unique shot at a Dutch GT victory, something that hasn't happened in 35 years, I wasn't even born when Zoetemelk won the Tour.

Exactly how i feel, really anxious for tomorrow

And then there's flo, who will probably be really disappointed if Aru didnt win