2015 Vuelta stage 8: Puebla de Don Fad.- Murcia (182.5 km)

[Libertine Seguros]

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Atleast he's not trying to hide it. That makes him likeable

Just like Mark Cavendish, you mean?

yes, of course! Mark and Petter are way more interesting than 90% of the others that can't barely read or express what's going on. They have blood and emotions, at least.

Interesting ≠ likable though. Compelling, perhaps. There are many riders who may be just as reprehensible as Sagan, but haven't had the platform, be it for lack of success or lack of public prominence, to display it. But as and when they do, I'll dislike them, too.

Time may heal the wound, I hated Cipo at the time as well.

 

[Tyr]

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Will Sagan be ejected from the Vuelta ?

He will be sanctioned for sure. You can't punch the medic car in front of the camera and get away with it.

 

[HelloDolly]

I cannot see why there is so much hate for riders on this forum ? Peter Sagan is one of the bast things to happen in Pro cycling in years . He has personality & masses of talent...

As for Rafal Maka ...he seems to do strage things like talking on camera while eating or winking at TV cameras...not sure he reailses that it doesn't look good. I do think though that he is very ambitious and possibility thinks he is better than he is...But maybe he was reading some of the hypeh on here about how he is one of the top 5 GC riders in the Tour de France,etc

 

[TMP402]

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Was that Cummings attempting a sprint for MTN? If so he really should have had the sense to go with Hansen/make that move himself.

Sbaragli

Ah! Poor guy, that sprint was horrible, which is why I thought it had to be Cummings.

 

[ciranda]

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i like how ppl are throwing around terms like jerk,immature,self absorbed without actually providing any example of such behaviour...the only thing i have against sagan was the podium incident few years ago,because it was a stupid joke...doing a wheelie? oh god,literally ISIS /s

really dont know why are ppl being so judgemental...i guess its like micheal vick situation,no matter what you do after you paid your dues a bunch of "moralists" will always sign a petition to get you out of their club

I agree with the first part essentially. Not possible to change yr opinion about Sagan LS, I know, but one good quality is that he's not the awful hysterical diva type of person that some sprinters (I know he's not a sprinter only) seem to be. In the after stage coverage Brian Vandborg talked about how he had never ever seen Sagan so upset before. Almost all the time he does not seem very concerned with results and winning and I like that. Always fun in interviews in English and to me he just seems like a nice person.

Was Michael Vick the quarterback who arranged dog fights? *** that guy and not a good comparison.

 

[Von Mises]

Re: 2015 Vuelta stage 8: Puebla de Don Fad.- Murcia (182.5 k

It is pointless to argue with Libertine about Sagan. Libertine just does not like Sagan and has heavy bias against him.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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i like how ppl are throwing around terms like jerk,immature,self absorbed without actually providing any example of such behaviour...the only thing i have against sagan was the podium incident few years ago,because it was a stupid joke...doing a wheelie? oh god,literally ISIS /s

really dont know why are ppl being so judgemental...i guess its like micheal vick situation,no matter what you do after you paid your dues a bunch of "moralists" will always sign a petition to get you out of their club

Well, there's this.....

Apparently Sagan spit at the medic car....

Also, the green dye on the Tour podium (look at me!!!! LOOK AT ME!!!! NOT THE OTHERS!!! MEEEEEE!!!!), the "I can't see anyone" victory gestures from his junior career, the fact that the podium incident at de Ronde wasn't even an isolated incident (he'd tried the same thing a week earlier at E3), the infamous T-shirt and casual sexism netserk loves so much, the relentless mugging for the camera (and to think some of the people who love Sagan hate TV Tommy for the same thing) and the sycophantic dribbling of commentators (which admittedly he can't help).

Everything about the way he behaves himself screams douche. Some think it's cool and cocky because he has the talent to get away with it, others really don't see it that way.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: 2015 Vuelta stage 8: Puebla de Don Fad.- Murcia (182.5 k

It is pointless to argue with Libertine about Sagan. Libertine just does not like Sagan and has heavy bias against him.

Ah, but I don't try to hide it, so that should make it likable

 

[BigMac]

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I cannot see why there is so much hate for riders on this forum ? Peter Sagan is one of the bast things to happen in Pro cycling in years . He has personality & masses of talent...

As for Rafal Maka ...he seems to do strage things like talking on camera while eating or winking at TV cameras...not sure he reailses that it doesn't look good. I do think though that he is very ambitious and possibility thinks he is better than he is...But maybe he was reading some of the hypeh on here about how he is one of the top 5 GC riders in the Tour de France,etc

Winking per se ain't the reason for my beef with him. Winking while grabbing a moto and pulling himself forward on the other hand. To be fair my dislike for him is a bit irrational - as we say in Portugal, ''não vou à bola com ele''.

 

[rainman]

That's the thread well derailed.
The most interesting stage so far, partly because it was the most dangerous. I was impressed by the bunch of crazy guys that arrived in the reduced front group.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Meh. This is the first time I've ever seen Sagan angry. I liked how he worked with Contador at the Tour, and how he carried Basso down from Kilimanjaro after Ivan got sick. He seems to be a good guy to his male teammates and friends. Seems to ride a bike for all the right reasons, has a lot of fun, and is fun to watch. Seems to often have a good sense of humor and not take himself too seriously. He seems to usually roll with his losses and not whine or sulk about losing. However: I hated his grabbing the podium girl's ass. That was ignorant, and his excuse afterwards (my friends dared me to do it) was pathetic. Hopefully he has grown up and learned from that, but it's a huge question mark over him. I still enjoy watching him race.

 

[yaco]

And in more important news Chavez retains the red jersey - Good effort by the team to get Chavez back into the peleton, after he was brought down in the big crash with 50kms to go.

 

[orangerider]

I rewatched the scene. Doesn't seem like the medic's car had anything to do with the crash so why we would he punch the car out when they are looking after his well-being. Hate to say it, but it looks like this guy is on illegal mind-altering party drugs, like methamphetamine.

 

[Flamin]

The Sagan accident sucks but he shouldn't have been there in the first place. In such a big group, he should stay quiet and sit back in the group, not ride 2nd or 3rd wheel or even taking pulls himself it shows how clueless he is sometimes. Does he really think other teams will be more eager to cooperate when the most likely winner in such situation is 'showing off' like that? It's exactly the opposite.

 

[jsem94]

It ended up being a great stage. Too bad most other stages are just _____________/

 

[Taxus4a]

I dont like too much Sagan, but he was today the big favourite, not just the stage, but the green jersey as well, and he was ungry with reason,
Nice final stage, but dangerous, of course more dangerous that first TT, but is part of cycling.

Impressive to see Peio second. I found him once in Vitoria, he was with his friends and girlfriend, shy rider, he was surpried I recognized him a a cyclist.. well, it wanst me, it was my friend, the friend of Landa, who todl me that man is Peio,... and he is a very thin rider, a climber.. he is quite explosive, but today was flat and more or less a buch sprint. Some sprinter as McEwen were thin as well, but anyway is impresive.

 

[cipurian]

Hey guys, if I may chime in about today's incident. Cyclists having a personalities is a great thing and can be looked upon as another medium how to increase popularity of the sport. If there are interviews with guys who are right in the middle of action whole day long I would much rather listen to what they have to say than bunch of cliché. I must admit I like Sagan and him being fellow Slovakian has something to do with that. While as many of you said that his frustration is understandable what followed is very unprofessional and petulant. This dude is getting paid millions to perform his job in front of millions of people, many of which consider him their role model and are impacted by his behavior. Simply put this is not how professional athlete conducts himself and I hope he has it in himself to apologize for that brainfart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2kvRt1zpR0

 

[Billie]

well he was just taking out by a motobike and first thing he sees when he gets up again is 8 other motos and cars stopping close to him. I understand the frustration and reaction.

 

[Escarabajo]

Just finished watching. Ended up being a nice stage. Sagan needs anger management. LOL.

At what point do we start to worry about Chaves? after Tuesday?

 

[Christian]

Re: 2015 Vuelta stage 8: Puebla de Don Fad.- Murcia (182.5 k

Congrats to Stuyven - had a rough season plagued with injury and wasn't able to confirm his good first season until now. One of the very few riders that Trek actually gives a good program. He has managed what his team mate Nizzolo hasn't managed in 5 years - a GT stage win.

 

[Billie]

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Just finished watching. Ended up being a nice stage. Sagan needs anger management. LOL.

At what point do we start to worry about Chaves? after Tuesday?

How do you mean worry? For his chances for the overal It's tough to judge untill the timetrial

 

[Jerkovin]

lol @ some of these comments.

He went too far, but I would also be raging if I was knocked over like that. It could have been really bad.

 

[Fernandez]

The stage was in his pocket. I would be pretty mad about the incident. As bad or wore than Sagan. And he had serious injuries.

 

[Arredondo]

It's the only possible reaction. I would be mad as hell.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

So much unfounded BS in this thread

First of all, Sagan is one of the 10 best riders in the peloton, and one of the very best bike handlers... which is why the guy almost never crashes, why nobody can make his way from the front of the peloton, to the back, and back to the front, with ease, even within the last 10 K of a sprinters stage, and why he can make results without needing a train in front of him.

Secondly, he is a class act... the work he did in the Tour for Contador was stunning... and still, he managed top 5 on 10 stages, with zero support from the team. He is always friendly and forthcoming with fans and press - but yes, he IS a competitor at heart, which is cool by me. I remember in last years Tour, a danish journalist asked him after he got 2nd on stage 1, what other stages he was targeting to try and win that Tour. Sagan replied "every one".

Nobody knows what words were exchanged with the medical car, and why, so I reserve my judgement on that.

As for the Majka hate, that is just silly. The guy is riding as a captain and for a podium finish in the Vuelta, and people expect him to wait for Sagan, when all the captains are going all out towards the finish line, in the last few Ks of the stage? - Sheer stupidity to think that imo

As for Jesper Hansen.... Sagan went down so close to the finish, and the front group was riding so hard, that there was zero chance of getting him back.... Not to mention the fact that Hansen was the only Tinkoff rider with Majka in the front favorites group. - The logical and right choice the DSs made, was for Hansen to pull hard to get Majka safely across the 3 km spot and possibly take time out of other contenders.