2016 Critérium du Dauphiné, 2.UWT, June 5-12

[Lexman]

might GVA have a chance on the climb?

 

[Taxus4a]

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I hope the day and the battle would be enough hard to see some dkifferences, but it looks like a day to Allaphillpe or Dan Martin to take some seconds and no more.

Of course SKY can play with some riders an put in difficulty Saxo

They could try, but they do not have a better team on a stage like today. As have been said, that last climb is great for Valgren, while Kreuziger should be quite good on this sort of terrain too.

if Landa, Poels attacks from far Saxo will have problems...and the end is very good for Kwiato as well. although of course, Saxo has a good team, for this one and in general.

 

[Taxus4a]

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might GVA have a chance on the climb?

Although he has been very strong in San Sebastian, with climbs as Jaizkibel or Lombardia, with Ghisallo, I think today stage is a little bit hard for him. It is not just the final Km.

 

[BigMac]

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this valgren guy has to be so overrated. what on earth has he shown he will be able to follow on a 7 km climb?

Good Lord, I agree with Ryo!

That said, Dan Martin or Tony Gallopin for the win.

 

[Taxus4a]

The first part of the last climb it is a climb similar to Jaizkibel...today it is a stage for climbers...

 

[DFA123]

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might GVA have a chance on the climb?

Definitely; he's one of the favourites imo, if he has any kind of reasonable form. It will basically come down to an all out effort in that last km at 6%. The first part (before the flat section) is too gentle to really drop any half decent puncheur - as there is so much benefit to drafting at the speeds they'll be going.

I'd say the final ramp is more suited to the likes of EBH, GVA, Gerrans and possibly Gasparotto than it is to Alaphilippe, or certainly Martin. But the more genuine climbers still have a chance if the whole climb is ridden really hard.

 

[DFA123]

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The first part of the last climb it is a climb similar to Jaizkibel...today it is a stage for climbers...

It's way easier than Jaizkibel. This climb averages 5.6% for the first section, with only 1km above 6%. They'll be going well over 25km/h for most of it - so there'll just be too much benefit to drafting for anyone to get any kind of significant advantage before the flat section at the top.

Jaizkibel from Lezo averages 7.5% for the first 3km, then a false flat for 1km, and then another 2km at 7%. It's way harder.

 

[Vesica]

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this valgren guy has to be so overrated. what on earth has he shown he will be able to follow on a 7 km climb?

That said by Ryo..Valgren will probably win today.

 

[Taxus4a]

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The first part of the last climb it is a climb similar to Jaizkibel...today it is a stage for climbers...

It's way easier than Jaizkibel. This climb averages 5.6% for the first section, with only 1km above 6%. They'll be going well over 25km/h for most of it - so there'll just be too much benefit to drafting for anyone to get any kind of significant advantage before the flat section at the top.

Jaizkibel from Lezo averages 7.5% for the first 3km, then a false flat for 1km, and then another 2km at 7%. It's way harder.

Jaizkibel averages 5,3: http://www.altimetrias.net/aspbk/verPuerto.asp?id=227

In this climb of today we have a Km at 8 %.

Lot of people today will drop in that climb, and much other people cloe to drop... it is possible that for GC riders, the question will be just the last Km, as it happened in Catalunya in La Molina, but not for the rest.. if contador put allaphilipe among the favourites is becoue he has showed potential as climber and he did a good prologue.

 

[DFA123]

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The first part of the last climb it is a climb similar to Jaizkibel...today it is a stage for climbers...

It's way easier than Jaizkibel. This climb averages 5.6% for the first section, with only 1km above 6%. They'll be going well over 25km/h for most of it - so there'll just be too much benefit to drafting for anyone to get any kind of significant advantage before the flat section at the top.

Jaizkibel from Lezo averages 7.5% for the first 3km, then a false flat for 1km, and then another 2km at 7%. It's way harder.

Jaizkibel averages 5,3: http://www.altimetrias.net/aspbk/verPuerto.asp?id=227

In this climb of today we have a Km at 8 %.

Lot of people today will drop in that climb, and much other people cloe to drop... it is possible that for GC riders, the question will be just the last Km, as it happened in Catalunya in La Molina, but not for the rest.. if contador put allaphilipe among the favourites is becoue he has showed potential as climber and he did a good prologue.

It's not about the average though. Jaizkibel has much longer sections at gradients above 7% - which is where climbers really come into their own. This climb is too fast and too easy to significantly drop decent puncheurs.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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I hope the day and the battle would be enough hard to see some dkifferences, but it looks like a day to Allaphillpe or Dan Martin to take some seconds and no more.

Of course SKY can play with some riders an put in difficulty Saxo

They could try, but they do not have a better team on a stage like today. As have been said, that last climb is great for Valgren, while Kreuziger should be quite good on this sort of terrain too.

if Landa, Poels attacks from far Saxo will have problems...and the end is very good for Kwiato as well. although of course, Saxo has a good team, for this one and in general.

I hardly think that EQS or whoever is interested in winning today's stage will just let guys like Kwiatkowski or Poels go today. I believe it will be very difficult for SKY to make a difference on a climb this easy.

 

[Taxus4a]

Any video live?

SKY is controlling the pace now.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Voeckler, racing yesterday with no radio, no gloves, and no tan.

(Pic is too big to post, so here's a link)
http://www.steephill.tv/2016/criterium-du-dauphine-libere/photos/stage-01/022714_595464702.jpg

 

[markene2]

Hopefully Lutsenko can shine today, i feel it might be a tad too steep.

 

[Kazistuta]

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Hopefully Lutsenko can shine today, i feel it might be a tad too steep.

Considering he couldn't even keep up with the break on the first climb,i'd say he's without any chance...

 

[jmdirt]

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Just watched it after reading the posts here. A whole lot of commotion about basically nothing. I expected WAY worse the way people here were talking. Officials made the right call.

So you're OK with head butts?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/no-penalties-come-from-criterium-du-dauphine-sprint-but-riders-call-foul/

Not sure why you're linking that article. I've read it. Wasn't anything I haven't seen a bunch, it just had a few in succession. If you want to give out some fines to all 3 guys who headbutted, fine but nothing past that.

I didn't link it for the article, I linked it for the videos. I agree with fines, but since they did nothing, that leaves the gates open for more.

 

[Taxus4a]

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The first part of the last climb it is a climb similar to Jaizkibel...today it is a stage for climbers...

It's way easier than Jaizkibel. This climb averages 5.6% for the first section, with only 1km above 6%. They'll be going well over 25km/h for most of it - so there'll just be too much benefit to drafting for anyone to get any kind of significant advantage before the flat section at the top.

Jaizkibel from Lezo averages 7.5% for the first 3km, then a false flat for 1km, and then another 2km at 7%. It's way harder.

Jaizkibel averages 5,3: http://www.altimetrias.net/aspbk/verPuerto.asp?id=227

In this climb of today we have a Km at 8 %.

Lot of people today will drop in that climb, and much other people cloe to drop... it is possible that for GC riders, the question will be just the last Km, as it happened in Catalunya in La Molina, but not for the rest.. if contador put allaphilipe among the favourites is becoue he has showed potential as climber and he did a good prologue.

It's not about the average though. Jaizkibel has much longer sections at gradients above 7% - which is where climbers really come into their own. This climb is too fast and too easy to significantly drop decent puncheurs.

IMO it is more important average. We will see, I predict something more similar to La Molina than a stage where GVA can win, but everything depends of how GC riders and team face it.

 

[Flamin]

Too hard for Greg it looks like indeed.

 

[Scarponi]

yawn

 

[Scarponi]

Wheres contador

 

[Valv.Piti]

Herrada win is obvious... hopefully.

I got Gallopin > GVA @ 2,70 (!!!) and Gasparotto > Balaphil @ 2,75. Lets go!

 

[Domulec]

Considering the break is still 5' ahead with less than 40k to go, might be a surprise winner today. Someone needs to up the pace, Etixx I'd imagine want to ride for Martin and Alaphilippe, but no sign of them yet.

 

[DFA123]

peloton soft pedalling

will be difficult to get 5 minutes back on someone like Gougeard if he is in decent form and goes into TT mode.

 

[Domulec]

Etixx moving to the front now, finally. Gap coming down immediately.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Herrada win is obvious... hopefully.

I got Gallopin > GVA @ 2,70 (!!!) and Gasparotto > Balaphil @ 2,75. Lets go!

you could've gotten allaphilippe at 5,5 on betfair