2016 Eneco Tour (WT): Sept 19 - 25th

[Buffalo Soldier]

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Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

How many one day races did he not finish top 10 this year? won't be a lot.

 

[Monte]

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Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

How many one day races did he not finish top 10 this year? won't be a lot.

Im not saying it cause he dont deserve it or aint strong enough, im saying it cause he will have no chance in the tactical play cause he is to strong favorite this time. Its just how it goes, and u know im right.

 

[trucido]

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Have posted for a while that Sagan nearly always finds himself in the prime position to contest the final - When will riders learn to find Sagan's wheel.

Ive never seen a fight for Sagans wheel in a sprint, ever.. And there is a reason why.

There is always a fight for 3 wheels in a sprint , Kittels, Cavs and Kristoffs.. Cause they go straight and strong .. And are always to rely on. (mostly)

Quite simply because the others may have the power but not the technical ability to follow him.

 

[Monte]

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Have posted for a while that Sagan nearly always finds himself in the prime position to contest the final - When will riders learn to find Sagan's wheel.

Ive never seen a fight for Sagans wheel in a sprint, ever.. And there is a reason why.

There is always a fight for 3 wheels in a sprint , Kittels, Cavs and Kristoffs.. Cause they go straight and strong .. And are always to rely on. (mostly)

Quite simply because the others may have the power but not the technical ability to follow him.

Thats true, but also that historically Sagan dont win many straight mass sprints .. The sprinter that comes to mind that nobody could take the wheel of was Robbie McEwen, the old Bmx midget ;D

 

[Gigs_98]

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Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

How many one day races did he not finish top 10 this year? won't be a lot.

Sagan's biggest problem is probably that his sprint usually isn't that good anymore after a long and hard race. There is a reason why he has never won Milan-san remo

 

[Monte]

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Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

How many one day races did he not finish top 10 this year? won't be a lot.

Sagan's biggest problem is probably that his sprint usually isn't that good anymore after a long and hard race. There is a reason why he has never won Milan-san remo

Indeed, thats also why Cav is captain on UK team. What will be funny to watch is the fight for captain on the german team, Kittel vs Greipel vs Degenkolb .. lol. I bet they will have a woman in the car as sport director to make it a fully disaster

 

[Netserk]

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Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

How many one day races did he not finish top 10 this year? won't be a lot.

Sagan's biggest problem is probably that his sprint usually isn't that good anymore after a long and hard race. There is a reason why he has never won Milan-san remo

He often also ends up falling between two stools.

 

[Monte]

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Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

How many one day races did he not finish top 10 this year? won't be a lot.

Sagan's biggest problem is probably that his sprint usually isn't that good anymore after a long and hard race. There is a reason why he has never won Milan-san remo

He often also ends up falling between two stools.

You mean second place.. he collects em.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

How many one day races did he not finish top 10 this year? won't be a lot.

Sagan's biggest problem is probably that his sprint usually isn't that good anymore after a long and hard race. There is a reason why he has never won Milan-san remo

He often also ends up falling between two stools.

To be honest this is probably the reason why he often loses sprints against weaker sprinters at the end of one day races, and it probably won't be a problem in Qatar. Therefore he definitely has a chance but I still don't think he will win.

Edit: I hope I interpreted the saying "He often also ends up falling between two stools" correctly

 

[Monte]

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Lol, most sprinters are stronger than Sagan; but Sagan is technically almost perfect.. He pushes all in at the right time.

 

[Bushman]

Sagan has no help in the worlds.. And you cant sit on a wheel in the worlds..

How much help did he had at last year's worlds, RVV, European RR and so on?

And what makes you believe that a weak Germany with 3 leaders, or a GB for the puny Cav, will stop this race from getting destroyed? Who is going to chase Sep Vanmarcke on the flat? What about Tom? Gilbert? GVA?

Gilbert? The guy who barely did a top 10 on a perfect route for him in the EC?

 

[Monte]

Sagan has no help in the worlds.. And you cant sit on a wheel in the worlds..

How much help did he had at last year's worlds, RVV, European RR and so on?

And what makes you believe that a weak Germany with 3 leaders, or a GB for the puny Cav, will stop this race from getting destroyed? Who is going to chase Sep Vanmarcke on the flat? What about Tom? Gilbert? GVA?

Gilbert? The guy who barely did a top 10 on a perfect route for him in the EC?

Gilbert has no place in the worlds for Belgium, he will never go all in for Boonen...

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

How many one day races did he not finish top 10 this year? won't be a lot.

Sagan's biggest problem is probably that his sprint usually isn't that good anymore after a long and hard race. There is a reason why he has never won Milan-san remo

He often also ends up falling between two stools.

You mean second place.. he collects em.

Sagan's results in one-day-races this year:

Omloop: 2
Kuurne: 7
Strade Bianche: 4
E3: 2
GW: 1
RVV: 1
Scheldeprijs: DNF
PR: 11
NCRR: 2
Bretagne: DNF
Quebec: 1
Montreal: 2
ECRR: 1

That's 10/13 top 10's and 8/13 top 3's.

Also, I count 88 wins and 70 second places in his career so far, so I'm not sure how he "collects" second places?

 

[Netserk]

^^you missed MSR (12th)

 

[Billie]

Sagan has no help in the worlds.. And you cant sit on a wheel in the worlds..

How much help did he had at last year's worlds, RVV, European RR and so on?

And what makes you believe that a weak Germany with 3 leaders, or a GB for the puny Cav, will stop this race from getting destroyed? Who is going to chase Sep Vanmarcke on the flat? What about Tom? Gilbert? GVA?

Gilbert? The guy who barely did a top 10 on a perfect route for him in the EC?

Gilbert has no place in the worlds for Belgium, he will never go all in for Boonen...

long been known Gilbert isn't going to doha

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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^^you missed MSR (12th)

Oops, that's true.

 

[MacBAir]

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Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

How many one day races did he not finish top 10 this year? won't be a lot.

Sagan's biggest problem is probably that his sprint usually isn't that good anymore after a long and hard race. There is a reason why he has never won Milan-san remo

But besides the ERR, his biggest wins were solo.

 

[Keram]

Sagan is currently 13-12 this season. Last time where he had more wins than seconds was 2013 .

I hope Tinkoff will not lose more than 30 seconds tomorrow. It would be good to lost leaders jersey but not by much time.

 

[Jspear]

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Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

How many one day races did he not finish top 10 this year? won't be a lot.

Im not saying it cause he dont deserve it or aint strong enough, im saying it cause he will have no chance in the tactical play cause he is to strong favorite this time. Its just how it goes, and u know im right.

He might not win but he'll defintely be up there. He always is against the worlds best sprinters. Just because he's a favorite doesn't mean he can't top 10.

 

[Jagartrott]

Jury should warn that using the pedestrian strip is NOT allowed. Nearly the whole peloton did so the last lap. Very stupid.

 

[jens_attacks]

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Jury should warn that using the pedestrian strip is NOT allowed. Nearly the whole peloton did so the last lap. Very stupid.

when you hurt, you take shortcuts

blame the organizers for not putting barriers.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

I'm quite confident that he will make the top-3.

Yep, he's not the favourite to win, but he's the most likely rider to finish in the top 3 imo, whereas Cav/Kittel/Greipel are eiher going to finish 1st, 2nd or get boxed in/dropped in crosswinds

 

[yaco]

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Have posted for a while that Sagan nearly always finds himself in the prime position to contest the final - When will riders learn to find Sagan's wheel.

Ive never seen a fight for Sagans wheel in a sprint, ever.. And there is a reason why.

There is always a fight for 3 wheels in a sprint , Kittels, Cavs and Kristoffs.. Cause they go straight and strong .. And are always to rely on. (mostly)

Check the records - No rider gets as many top 10's and 5's as Sagan. That's the reason.

 

[yaco]

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Have posted for a while that Sagan nearly always finds himself in the prime position to contest the final - When will riders learn to find Sagan's wheel.

Ive never seen a fight for Sagans wheel in a sprint, ever.. And there is a reason why.

There is always a fight for 3 wheels in a sprint , Kittels, Cavs and Kristoffs.. Cause they go straight and strong .. And are always to rely on. (mostly)

Quite simply because the others may have the power but not the technical ability to follow him.

You need nous not technical ability to follow Sagan's wheel.

 

[yaco]

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Have posted for a while that Sagan nearly always finds himself in the prime position to contest the final - When will riders learn to find Sagan's wheel.

Ive never seen a fight for Sagans wheel in a sprint, ever.. And there is a reason why.

There is always a fight for 3 wheels in a sprint , Kittels, Cavs and Kristoffs.. Cause they go straight and strong .. And are always to rely on. (mostly)

Quite simply because the others may have the power but not the technical ability to follow him.

Thats true, but also that historically Sagan dont win many straight mass sprints .. The sprinter that comes to mind that nobody could take the wheel of was Robbie McEwen, the old Bmx midget ;D

No rider wins every sprint - But Sagan nearly always positions himself to sprint in the final.