2016 Eneco Tour (WT): Sept 19 - 25th

[saganftw]

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Greipel timed it wrong. Exciting sprint. Congrats to Sagan.

If Cav had done the same to Demare as Sagan did, imagine what would have happened?

cav would have gotten pat on the back for not causing a crash this time :lol:

 

[saganboss]

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Greipel timed it wrong. Exciting sprint. Congrats to Sagan.

If Cav had done the same to Demare as Sagan did, imagine what would have happened?

demare pushed him too. sagan was on front .

 

[Monte]

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Greipel timed it wrong. Exciting sprint. Congrats to Sagan.

If Cav had done the same to Demare as Sagan did, imagine what would have happened?

You mean the same to Sagan as Demare did, right?

Nah i dont, Demare tried to hold Kristoff wheel .. Sagan headbutted him, to me all fair in a sprint .. But if Cav did this, thats my point..

 

[Dazed and Confused]

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Greipel timed it wrong. Exciting sprint. Congrats to Sagan.

If Cav had done the same to Demare as Sagan did, imagine what would have happened?

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It was just a tiny incident and nothing happened.

 

[Monte]

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Greipel timed it wrong. Exciting sprint. Congrats to Sagan.

If Cav had done the same to Demare as Sagan did, imagine what would have happened?

cav would have gotten pat on the back for not causing a crash this time :lol:

Sagan aint dangerous to others, Cav is; that is the point.

 

[Monte]

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The whole Tinkoff team had an easy day as well, hopefully Sagan won't lose too much tomorrow.

It pisses me off so much that Sagan never has more than 1 or 2 helpers. Where are the rest?

Anyway, another great win. Really tough dispute with Demare, but you just don't push Sagan.

Sagan again.
Greipel was waiting way to long.

Greipel had no chance, Kristoff went to early ..Sagan took the right wheel ; Kristoffs wheel .. Usually Greipel takes Kristoffs wheel, but Sagan is just to good at positioning and the push out of Kristoffs wheel. Impressive.

Add another 60km to the race and Kristoff takes this ahead of Degenkolb and Sagan

Well, this season, another 60 KM, and Sagan wins alone or we have a duel with GVA.

Not at all, we will see in the worlds .. its a reason Kristoff didnt wanna compete in the Olympics; he goes all in for Worlds.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

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Greipel timed it wrong. Exciting sprint. Congrats to Sagan.

If Cav had done the same to Demare as Sagan did, imagine what would have happened?

It was fight for the Kristoff's wheel. Demare had enough space there on the right side, but was clearly slower.

 

[Monte]

Sagan has no help in the worlds.. And you cant sit on a wheel in the worlds..

 

[Netserk]

Sagan has no help in the worlds.. And you cant sit on a wheel in the worlds..

He will have at least a handful of mercenaries during the majority of the race. In the final, he can fend for himself.

 

[Monte]

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Greipel timed it wrong. Exciting sprint. Congrats to Sagan.

If Cav had done the same to Demare as Sagan did, imagine what would have happened?

It was fight for the Kristoff's wheel. Demare had enough space there on the right side, but was clearly slower.

What amazes me is that Sagan, Greipel and DEmare know that this is a sprint where Kristoff goes to early . Even i knew it, and most that follow cycling knew it ; i wonder why?

 

[Monte]

Sagan has no help in the worlds.. And you cant sit on a wheel in the worlds..

He will have at least a handful of mercenaries during the majority of the race. In the final, he can fend for himself.

Yea he can, but he needs alot of luck to win with no team ..

 

[saganboss]

Sagan has no help in the worlds.. And you cant sit on a wheel in the worlds..

He will have at least a handful of mercenaries during the majority of the race. In the final, he can fend for himself.

Yea he can, but he needs alot of luck to win with no team ..

tbh, i think sagan will just sit in the bunch, he will hope other teams work , if they do, good, if not, c'est la vie.

 

[johnymax]

Apparently Sagan said yesterday he is not even sure he is going to the worlds. I hope he was joking.

 

[Monte]

Sagan has no help in the worlds.. And you cant sit on a wheel in the worlds..

He will have at least a handful of mercenaries during the majority of the race. In the final, he can fend for himself.

Yea he can, but he needs alot of luck to win with no team ..

tbh, i think sagan will just sit in the bunch, he will hope other teams work , if they do, good, if not, c'est la vie.

Yes he has no other option, he will pick 3-4 riders to follow before the final lap and gamble on that or else a sprint. He has no choice. He looks so strong so many will also sit and watch Sagan, like GVA .. It might be that they get robbed .. If they went for a sprint finish i dont think they will beat Kristoff, Greipel or even CAv after the race. With no team u take a alot of wind during the race also..

 

[saganboss]

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Apparently Sagan said yesterday he is not even sure he is going to the worlds. I hope he was joking.

yeah, he was laughing when he said that , his team manager said he was just joking, but some guys took it seriously

 

[Monte]

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Apparently Sagan said yesterday he is not even sure he is going to the worlds. I hope he was joking.

I heard he will use a Mountain bike with a flat back wheel to try and get into top 50..

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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Greipel timed it wrong. Exciting sprint. Congrats to Sagan.

If Cav had done the same to Demare as Sagan did, imagine what would have happened?

It was fight for the Kristoff's wheel. Demare had enough space there on the right side, but was clearly slower.

What amazes me is that Sagan, Greipel and DEmare know that this is a sprint where Kristoff goes to early . Even i knew it, and most that follow cycling knew it ; i wonder why?

It's not really about him going too early, it's a reasonable tactical choice by him. He doesn't have the acceleration or top end speed to beat the best sprinters by zipping past them at the line. So he goes long and tries to beat them with sustained power. Mostly that doesn't work either, but if the stage has been tough he figures they might not be able to come around him if he tries to pull the acceleration from their legs.

 

[BigMac]

Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

 

[Monte]

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Greipel timed it wrong. Exciting sprint. Congrats to Sagan.

If Cav had done the same to Demare as Sagan did, imagine what would have happened?

It was fight for the Kristoff's wheel. Demare had enough space there on the right side, but was clearly slower.

What amazes me is that Sagan, Greipel and DEmare know that this is a sprint where Kristoff goes to early . Even i knew it, and most that follow cycling knew it ; i wonder why?

It's not really about him going too early, it's a reasonably tactical choice by him. He doesn't have the acceleration or top end speed to beat the best sprinters by zipping past them at the line. So he goes long and tries to beat them with sustained power. Mostly that doesn't work either, but if the stage has been tough he figures they might not be able to come around him if he tries to pull the acceleration from their legs.

Well there was an early opening in the sprint and he had to go this time, Kristoff can go 100 meters more on max sprint than most ..But he lacks the last gear, but u see when Sagan and Greipel takes the wind like Kristoff does they go slower. Its all about when to push 100 percent and at the right time, and at the right wheel at the right angle

 

[Monte]

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Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

 

[MacBAir]

Sagan has no help in the worlds.. And you cant sit on a wheel in the worlds..

How much help did he had at last year's worlds, RVV, European RR and so on?

And what makes you believe that a weak Germany with 3 leaders, or a GB for the puny Cav, will stop this race from getting destroyed? Who is going to chase Sep Vanmarcke on the flat? What about Tom? Gilbert? GVA?

 

[Netserk]

Sagan will win the Worlds, whichever way he choses. Sprint? Will win like a hardman. Crosswinds? He'll be in the front... and win. Attack? He can do it... and win.

Back to back rainbow incoming.

Sagan wont even be in top 10 in the worlds, trust me..

I'm quite confident that he will make the top-3.

 

[saganboss]

Sagan has no help in the worlds.. And you cant sit on a wheel in the worlds..

How much help did he had at last year's worlds, RVV, European RR and so on?

And what makes you believe that a weak Germany with 3 leaders, or a GB for the puny Cav, will stop this race from getting destroyed? Who is going to chase Sep Vanmarcke on the flat? What about Tom? Gilbert? GVA?

sep vanmarcke on the flat, wtf? there's a reason he doesn't win big races ant that's the flat part, for sure they don't have cobbles at worlds

 

[yaco]

Have posted for a while that Sagan nearly always finds himself in the prime position to contest the final - When will riders learn to find Sagan's wheel.

 

[Monte]

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Have posted for a while that Sagan nearly always finds himself in the prime position to contest the final - When will riders learn to find Sagan's wheel.

Ive never seen a fight for Sagans wheel in a sprint, ever.. And there is a reason why.

There is always a fight for 3 wheels in a sprint , Kittels, Cavs and Kristoffs.. Cause they go straight and strong .. And are always to rely on. (mostly)