2016 TdF, Stage 17: Bern → Finhaut-Emosson (185km)

[doperhopper]

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Would have been interesting to see where Alberto would have been...this version of Froome is not the strongest at all

He looks stronger than ever to me. Hasn't even been close to being in difficulty all tour. He's still got a gear or two extra if he needs it - but he won't, certainly not after the TT tomorrow.

Brailsford said it yesterday. He has to look as humanly possible in order to avoid questions. All goes according to the plan.

so maybe they have something prepared for tomorrow... perhaps wheeliing the whole uphill part... and then endoing the downhill!

and still win

 

[Angliru]

1. Porte
2. Froome s.t.
3. Mollema @27"
4. Yates @ 56"
5. Bardet s.t.
5. Valverde @ 1'08"
6. Quintana s.t.
7. Martin @ 1'36"
8. Rodriguez @ 2'12"

TJVG @ 4'09"

might be a good time to repost this.

May you pull a muscle as you shamelessly pat yourself on the back.

 

[Jakub]

Not sure the Contador of now would make much of a race of this either.

It needed the Contador of 2014 for that.

not sure what contador 2014 would have done?

he was almost 3 mins down and was obviously going to lose tons of time in the ITT (lack of power showed on the cobbles stage).

also, contador 2014 was beaten by froome in the dauphine prologue, and still couldn't come around him for the stage win after froome had led the entire way up the first MTF. it was only after froome CRASHED badly that contador could do anything.

and then he went and lost to freakin' talansky.

"contador 2014" is a myth.

I wish I was also a myth. It seems that myths can win Vuelta over Dawg, even though they CRASHED badly. Instead of missing power they can also find some mythical energy to do well in Vuelta ITT although they showed lack of power in cobbles stage during which they were unable to shift.

 

[TomLPC]

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Aru, Yates, Mollema etc are no better than Poels. Shameful really. This is Wiggins-Froome all over again.

I think that's a bit of a stretch, as good as poels has been this week he has had longer to rest than everyone else

 

[vedrafjord]

Yes, I don't think Contador would have seriously challenged Froome for the win but he would have been entertaining. He didn't have much of a team behind him either.

 

[Big Doopie]

Not sure the Contador of now would make much of a race of this either.

It needed the Contador of 2014 for that.

not sure what contador 2014 would have done?

he was almost 3 mins down and was obviously going to lose tons of time in the ITT (lack of power showed on the cobbles stage).

also, contador 2014 was beaten by froome in the dauphine prologue, and still couldn't come around him for the stage win after froome had led the entire way up the first MTF. it was only after froome CRASHED badly that contador could do anything.

and then he went and lost to freakin' talansky.

"contador 2014" is a myth.

I wish I was also a myth. It seems that myths can win Vuelta over Dawg, even though they CRASHED badly. Instead of missing power they can also find some mythical energy to do well in Vuelta ITT although they showed lack of power in cobbles stage during which they were unable to shift.

clearly you didn't read my fantastic post on French Contador (as opposed to Italian or Spanish Contador) since 2010.

quite a different rider.

 

[Escarabajo]

Why every thread has to turn to this Contador BS???

I cannot even go to the Quintana thread because there is Contador BS as well!!

He has been on the same Tours as Froome and Quintana hasn't he?

 

[doperhopper]

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Riis: "All these riders who were supposed to attack are not even good enough to be domestiques for Froome". QFT.

#unleashwouter

Gosh, Riis from all people. He is right but he is the wrong person to say it.

he is probably 60% right

 

[Big Doopie]

1. Porte
2. Froome s.t.
3. Mollema @27"
4. Yates @ 56"
5. Bardet s.t.
5. Valverde @ 1'08"
6. Quintana s.t.
7. Martin @ 1'36"
8. Rodriguez @ 2'12"

TJVG @ 4'09"

might be a good time to repost this.

May you pull a muscle as you shamelessly pat yourself on the back.

all good. applied a little ralgex spray.

 

[dacooley]

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Why every thread has to turn to this Contador BS???

I cannot even go to the Quintana thread because there is Contador BS as well!!

He has been on the same Tours as Froome and Quintana hasn't he?

Because Bertie is a moral winner of any GT he seems physically to unable to win.

 

[Jonhard]

Poels did very little until the first rest day, a lesson from last year. He is awesome but that partly reflects the team strength that allowed him to be kept in reserve.

Last year Froome won it when the team weakened in week three. Not so much this year.

 

[gatete]

I got a 2004 feeling all over again, Ulle had been a monster in 2003, so my hopes were really high in 2004; and then Armstrong and the blue train destroyed him. I was really hoping for Quintana to do something significantly. Uggggggh my tour watching is truly over.

 

[Big Doopie]

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Why every thread has to turn to this Contador BS???

I cannot even go to the Quintana thread because there is Contador BS as well!!

He has been on the same Tours as Froome and Quintana hasn't he?

agreed 100%.

enough with the comments "missing contador" please.

 

[saganftw]

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Riis: "All these riders who were supposed to attack are not even good enough to be domestiques for Froome". QFT.

#unleashwouter

Gosh, Riis from all people. He is right but he is the wrong person to say it.

he is probably 60% right

of all people Riis knows best what he is talking about - he has been there as a rider and as an owner/DS :lol:

 

[movingtarget]

Good win by Zakarin. Pantano another great ride. Porte looked good but did not make much time on Yates or Mollema. Yates is the surprise of the race. Quintana finally delivered on what was promised on the Ventoux, he does not have it. TJVG should stop worrying about riding for GC in grand tours. Astana tried and failed. Sky doms were riding away from their team leader by accident but finally they decided to have a rest and let him attack. Don't expect big time gaps tomorrow unless Froome does something special. Not that he needs to.

 

[Big Doopie]

yatesy even closed in at the end on porte and froome. nicely done.

 

[gooner]

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Why every thread has to turn to this Contador BS???

I cannot even go to the Quintana thread because there is Contador BS as well!!

He has been on the same Tours as Froome and Quintana hasn't he?

I agree, that's why I said he would have made little difference here and am baffled to as why some say he was huge loss to making a competitive race.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Why every thread has to turn to this Contador BS???

I cannot even go to the Quintana thread because there is Contador BS as well!!

He has been on the same Tours as Froome and Quintana hasn't he?

Contador thread clearly failing to contain all the Contador nonsense in one location. Regrettable.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Personal satisfaction of the day : Aru didn't deliver for all the hype he has been granted.

 

[movingtarget]

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Why every thread has to turn to this Contador BS???

I cannot even go to the Quintana thread because there is Contador BS as well!!

He has been on the same Tours as Froome and Quintana hasn't he?

Contador has not made a Tour podium since 2010. For all of his attacks including the one he made on the day he dropped out of the Tour he was not going to effect the overall or break Sky's stranglehold on the race. And like you I am tired of hearing what Contador USED to do years ago.

 

[HelloDolly]

All those saying roll on the Vuelta ...rememebr Froome is riding it and he has another bunch of strong fresh doms waiting in the wings

and he has barely broke into sweat in this Tour

be afraid be very afraid

 

[Escarabajo]

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Riis: "All these riders who were supposed to attack are not even good enough to be domestiques for Froome". QFT.

#unleashwouter

Gosh, Riis from all people. He is right but he is the wrong person to say it.

he is probably 60% right

LOL.

 

[Big Doopie]

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Personal satisfaction of the day : Aru didn't deliver for all the hype he has been granted.

agreed.

 

[gooner]

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Personal satisfaction of the day : Aru didn't deliver for all the hype he has been granted.

That Astana work on the front was worthwhile.

 

[Big Doopie]

dauphine looking more and more like the best pre-tour warmup...

froome
porte
bardet
martin
yates
aru
rodriguez (?)