2016 Tour de France, Stage 21: Chantilly → Paris (113km)

[dusty red roads]

well they did say they were going to be lenient with the 3km rule this tour...

 

[Billie]

so it should be

7. Meintjes
8. Kreuziger
9. Rodriguez
10. Martin

Dan Martin tweeted he got mechanical assistance from another team which results in 2 minute fine.

https://twitter.com/DanMartin86/status/757284213301403648

 

[hrotha]

Re:

Dan Martin tweeted he got a wheel from another team which results in 2 minute fine.

Only if he got it from a rider, I think.

 

[Billie]

Re: Re:

Dan Martin tweeted he got a wheel from another team which results in 2 minute fine.

Only if he got it from a rider, I think.

12.01.400.8.2: 200 per offence and 2', 5' and 10' penalty and elimination + 200 from 4th offence. Any other licence holder: 400

So the any other licence holder should mean it is not only when the assistance is between riders.

More gc action today than yesterday

 

[Richeypen]

Hopefully nothing comes of it. Its a *** rule that should have been got rid of after the Porte debacle. Common sense should surely rule in these circumstances.

 

[Billie]

Hopefully nothing comes of it. Its a ****** rule that should have been got rid of after the Porte debacle. Common sense should surely rule in these circumstances.

The rule got enough attention because of the Porte incident that if UCI deemed it a bad rule they should have dropped it but they didn't so surely they have to enforce it.

 

[SlickMongoose]

It's been quite a day for Etixx fails.

 

[Red Rick]

Very smart tweet by Dan Martin then

 

[Richeypen]

Well maybe the commissars will chalk it up as one of the many things that they didnt see on this Tour.

 

[ILovecycling]

Re:

Very smart tweet by Dan Martin then

ROFL
!!!

 

[StryderHells]

Hopefully nothing comes of it. Its a ****** rule that should have been got rid of after the Porte debacle. Common sense should surely rule in these circumstances.

It's a sensible rule, can't have riders from opposing teams giving mechanical assistance to eachother and same goes for team cars helping out riders from opposing teams.

 

[Finn84]

Hopefully nothing comes of it. Its a ****** rule that should have been got rid of after the Porte debacle. Common sense should surely rule in these circumstances.

It's a sensible rule, can't have riders from opposing teams giving mechanical assistance to eachother and same goes for team cars helping out riders from opposing teams.

I actually think in some cases teams may help each other, but that happens in back of the pack. Teams have two cars so in a mountain stage team A may help riders from team A and B in a breakaway, then both have cars behind the peloton and then team B helps riders from both teams in gruppetto.

 

[TMP402]

Hopefully nothing comes of it. Its a ****** rule that should have been got rid of after the Porte debacle. Common sense should surely rule in these circumstances.

I interpret it as preventing a big team having a secondary team also at WT level, giving the big team racing and technical support. I've seen a team car give bottles to rival riders a number of times (eg the team car of one rider in a two-man break giving supplies to both) and it's never seriously punished, though.

 

[Richeypen]

Hopefully nothing comes of it. Its a ****** rule that should have been got rid of after the Porte debacle. Common sense should surely rule in these circumstances.

It's a sensible rule, can't have riders from opposing teams giving mechanical assistance to eachother and same goes for team cars helping out riders from opposing teams.

Why?

 

[Richeypen]

Hopefully nothing comes of it. Its a ****** rule that should have been got rid of after the Porte debacle. Common sense should surely rule in these circumstances.

I interpret it as preventing a big team having a secondary team also at WT level, giving the big team racing and technical support. I've seen a team car give bottles to rival riders a number of times (eg the team car of one rider in a two-man break giving supplies to both) and it's never seriously punished, though.

Happens all the time. Normally great camaraderie away from the front of the race between all the teams and team cars. Always loved this video of Kenny Van Hummel fighting the time cut with 2 other riders from 2009.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTPKaeFbcA8

 

[SeriousSam]

Looks like Poels isn't British enough to become Froome's apprentice. Shame

 

[armchairclimber]

Oh well, I got my Greipel/Sagan forecast. Should have gone to the bookies. Watched the ITV4 replay this evening. Great sprint today. Would have been even better with Cav in there mind.

 

[Billie]

Hopefully nothing comes of it. Its a ****** rule that should have been got rid of after the Porte debacle. Common sense should surely rule in these circumstances.

I interpret it as preventing a big team having a secondary team also at WT level, giving the big team racing and technical support. I've seen a team car give bottles to rival riders a number of times (eg the team car of one rider in a two-man break giving supplies to both) and it's never seriously punished, though.

Food and drinks and medical help between teams is allowed because of the consequences of not giving this help can have on health of riders.

Mechanical assistence is not allowed.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Hopefully nothing comes of it. Its a ****** rule that should have been got rid of after the Porte debacle. Common sense should surely rule in these circumstances.

I interpret it as preventing a big team having a secondary team also at WT level, giving the big team racing and technical support. I've seen a team car give bottles to rival riders a number of times (eg the team car of one rider in a two-man break giving supplies to both) and it's never seriously punished, though.

Happens all the time. Normally great camaraderie away from the front of the race between all the teams and team cars. Always loved this video of Kenny Van Hummel fighting the time cut with 2 other riders from 2009.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTPKaeFbcA8

The actual wording of the rule was posted at the point of the Porte "debacle". Riders and teams are allowed to render one another minor services such as gels and bidons, however outright mechanical assistance is not allowed as this is interpreted as being for reasons of collusion.

This is an eminently sensible rule, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's there to stop collusion. And although it was relatively inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, the Porte-Clarke wheel swap was collusion. Unless Simon Clarke is the kind of guy who would hand his wheel over to everybody. We went through the myriad reasons why Tiralongo riding for Contador or Horner pulling Tejay up Alpe d'Huez in 2010 were not punishable but Clarke giving Porte his wheel was at the time, no need to go through it again.

 

[Richeypen]

It in no way should be a black and white issue. Anything that stops races being decided by mechanicals should be applauded. Yes the Clarke Porte situation was collusion but what exactly is wrong with that?

 

[PremierAndrew]

Hopefully nothing comes of it. Its a ****** rule that should have been got rid of after the Porte debacle. Common sense should surely rule in these circumstances.

I interpret it as preventing a big team having a secondary team also at WT level, giving the big team racing and technical support. I've seen a team car give bottles to rival riders a number of times (eg the team car of one rider in a two-man break giving supplies to both) and it's never seriously punished, though.

Food and drinks and medical help between teams is allowed because of the consequences of not giving this help can have on health of riders.

Mechanical assistence is not allowed.

And extremely bad luck throwing you out of GT contention could result in depression. Lack of mechanical assistance can also have consequences on health of riders if that's the reason

 

[Billie]

Hopefully nothing comes of it. Its a ****** rule that should have been got rid of after the Porte debacle. Common sense should surely rule in these circumstances.

I interpret it as preventing a big team having a secondary team also at WT level, giving the big team racing and technical support. I've seen a team car give bottles to rival riders a number of times (eg the team car of one rider in a two-man break giving supplies to both) and it's never seriously punished, though.

Food and drinks and medical help between teams is allowed because of the consequences of not giving this help can have on health of riders.

Mechanical assistence is not allowed.

And extremely bad luck throwing you out of GT contention could result in depression. Lack of mechanical assistance can also have consequences on health of riders if that's the reason

what kind of bs is this

 

[SeriousSam]

It's a good point

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re:

It in no way should be a black and white issue. Anything that stops races being decided by mechanicals should be applauded. Yes the Clarke Porte situation was collusion but what exactly is wrong with that?

Oh, come off it. The exact point is that while nobody likes to see a GC settled by one, a mechanical can - and does - happen to anybody, and it hits everybody equally. Third party assistance, however, is not equal; Clarke wouldn't have handed his wheel over to Aru, or Contador, or Landa, or anybody else in that GC battle, therefore it's an unfair advantage and merits a penalty. Pretty straightforward. Sure, in this particular instance it wasn't especially relevant to the overall outcome, but then if the same thing happens later in the race and is penalized, it opens up a whole new set of issues. It's a perfectly justified rule to have in place and it was a crystal clear infringement of the rule, therefore it required punishing. The real question, to me, is whether the required penalty as it stood at the time - 2 minutes being the minimum punishment - ought to be reconsidered. Not whether the act should be an infringement, because it absolutely by all means should.

Besides, the issue here was that it was stupid because it was so unnecessary. The race would have been no more decided. Michael Matthews was in that chase group, so Porte could have grabbed a wheel from a domestique, Clarke could have helped him ride back and have had plausible deniability because Matthews was there, no problem.

 

[BigMac]

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It in no way should be a black and white issue. Anything that stops races being decided by mechanicals should be applauded. Yes the Clarke Porte situation was collusion but what exactly is wrong with that?

I agree. And I wouldn't call the Porte - Clarke thing collusion. It of course happened because they were fellow countrymen but I see nothing wrong with that. People these days berate on these sort of stuff too often, portraying such harmless things as diabolical nationalism. ''Can't have that!''

It was inconsequential.