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2017 Liège-Bastogne-Liège - April 23rd - 258k

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trevim said:
GuyIncognito said:
Red Rick said:
Wuyts is on a roll today

"The field in LBL is getting weaker every year"

Meaning: Belgians are unlikely to win today
I don't know the guy but he does have a point. Where are all the GT stars on the monument that suit them the most (besides maybe Lombardia)? Contador, Quintana, Nibali, Froome, Pinot, Porte, Chavez all missing out...
Yeah. I'm starting to think the Ardennes are a bit too late in the spring in your typical buildup to the GTs. For some riders you don't even know if they can do it because they've never even tried.

That said, LBL is almost impossible to combine with riding the Giro.
 
Re: Re:

trevim said:
GuyIncognito said:
Red Rick said:
Wuyts is on a roll today

"The field in LBL is getting weaker every year"

Meaning: Belgians are unlikely to win today
I don't know the guy but he does have a point. Where are all the GT stars on the monument that suit them the most (besides maybe Lombardia)? Contador, Quintana, Nibali, Froome, Pinot, Porte, Chavez all missing out...
I think that says more about how one-dimensional most of the top GC riders are nowdays, rather than the quality of the field. I don't think any of those names would make the startlist significantly stronger - none of them would be among the favourites for the race.

I think the field is quite strong this year, with Kwiatkowski returning to form (and Sky in general very strong), Martin looking good, some good climbers (Bardet, Yates), some good sprinters (GVA, Albasini), then strong allrounders like Dumoulin, Uran and Izagirre. I think the problem is mostly illusory because everyone looks relatively weak in comparison with Valverde. But I think everyone in the early 2000s or most other time periods would look weak compared with Valverde in current form; it's the fact that he is so strong, rather than the rest of the starlist being especially weak.
 
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Re: Re:

Red Rick said:
trevim said:
GuyIncognito said:
Red Rick said:
Wuyts is on a roll today

"The field in LBL is getting weaker every year"

Meaning: Belgians are unlikely to win today
I don't know the guy but he does have a point. Where are all the GT stars on the monument that suit them the most (besides maybe Lombardia)? Contador, Quintana, Nibali, Froome, Pinot, Porte, Chavez all missing out...
Yeah. I'm starting to think the Ardennes are a bit too late in the spring in your typical buildup to the GTs. For some riders you don't even know if they can do it because they've never even tried.

That said, LBL is almost impossible to combine with riding the Giro.
LBL was combined with the Giro by quite a lot of riders in the past. I think Nibali rode it before the Giro a few times, Valverde rode LBL last year before getting 3rd in the giro, Vino won LBL in 2010 before he went to Italy and Dan Martin crashed on the last corner of LBL 2014 and on one of the first ones in the Giro of the same year. These are only the first four example that come to my mind and I'm sure there are many other ones one could find.
 
There is a danish guy who posts extended highlights of races. He posted L-B-L from 2010 and on the top of Faucons, you literally saw 8 leaders in a row (all wearing 21, 41, 11jerseys etc), those being Andy, Gilbert, Contador, Valverde, Antón, J-Rod and Evans. Gilbert was extremely strong and was the only one actually being able to follow Andy on the climb, Contador and Antón were some of the best as well, Evans had just won F-W etc. Kolobnex and Vino succeeded in escaping, but I think its safe to say that that exact edition had some really, really great (climbing) names turning up.
 
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DFA123 said:
trevim said:
GuyIncognito said:
Red Rick said:
Wuyts is on a roll today

"The field in LBL is getting weaker every year"

Meaning: Belgians are unlikely to win today
I don't know the guy but he does have a point. Where are all the GT stars on the monument that suit them the most (besides maybe Lombardia)? Contador, Quintana, Nibali, Froome, Pinot, Porte, Chavez all missing out...
I think that says more about how one-dimensional most of the top GC riders are nowdays, rather than the quality of the field. I don't think any of those names would make the startlist significantly stronger - none of them would be among the favourites for the race.

I think the field is quite strong this year, with Kwiatkowski returning to form (and Sky in general very strong), Martin looking good, some good climbers (Bardet, Yates), some good sprinters (GVA, Albasini), then strong allrounders like Dumoulin, Uran and Izagirre. I think the problem is mostly illusory because everyone looks relatively weak in comparison with Valverde. But I think everyone in the early 2000s or most other time periods would look weak compared with Valverde in current form; it's the fact that he is so strong, rather than the rest of the starlist being especially weak.

That's because they never peak for them. Contador gave one decent shot at the Ardennes in his whole career and was among the best riders in both races he did. Nibali has been 2nd in LBL. Froome has been 2nd on the Mur. Quintana was just fine in the San Fermo stage in TA.

Sure, they can't come here at 80% and be near the front on the RaF, but they can be a big factor if they're good enough to race agressively.

The Schlecks were the last pure climbers to peak for LBL every year, and they did great in it.