- Nov 7, 2010
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Not sure how you can be so confident of that. I imagine if Contador is in contention for a top 5 he will get most of the resources, but if not, then Degenkolb will become the de facto leader, with Felline and Mollema also given free roles and use of team resources. 'Completely loyal' is a ridiculous term in modern day cycling.bajbar said:
- May 15, 2011
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I would have given him no assigned domestiques but not sure that could have been expected from the team
He has 1 domestique, De Kort. That's more than you expected?18-Valve. (pithy) said:
I would have given him no assigned domestiques but not sure that could have been expected from the team
- Dec 28, 2010
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As a side note; what's really the difference? Say, between a 3rd and a 4th in a Tour stage. Seeing as a 3rd place won't get you on the podium anyway, literally speaking. I'd guess the added advertisement value for a 3rd place compared to a 4th or 5th on a stage in the Tour is very minimal. There is prize money and WT points of course, but still.jaylew said:
- Jul 13, 2009
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Sorry but no, I think you got too far when you add the "everything else is secondary". I fully agree with the IMPORTANCE of a prominent TDF showing be it via GC or stage wins but scaling down the Chaves angle at this year's Tour does not necessarily weaken the SY push NOR take the stage win options out of play. Yes, I also get the commercial aspect but realistically neither SY or Chaves are likely to be any more than bit players in this year's race.
Realistically, Chaves is NOT going to be a GC factor at this Tour and the best case scenario would be that he is in good form by the end of the Tour with perhaps even the bonus of a stage win in the mountains. To do so would not necessarily require him having his own designated support rider but rather they just use 1-2 men to springboard him up the road on that particular day.
He could however podium the Vuelta .... somehow I think that would trump whatever they would achieve at the Tour (I can only see SY being top 10 at best). Yes, I get it that for a certain segment of the public the Tour is the ONLY race but more and more of their public have become sufficiently educated to value the other GTs. Hell, even sponsors are likely to see the value in a podium at one of the other 2 GTs rather than an anonymous xxth at the Tour no matter the legitimate worth of that ride.
Escarabajo said:
Sorry but no, I think you got too far when you add the "everything else is secondary". I fully agree with the IMPORTANCE of a prominent TDF showing be it via GC or stage wins but scaling down the Chaves angle at this year's Tour does not necessarily weaken the SY push NOR take the stage win options out of play. Yes, I also get the commercial aspect but realistically neither SY or Chaves are likely to be any more than bit players in this year's race.
Realistically, Chaves is NOT going to be a GC factor at this Tour and the best case scenario would be that he is in good form by the end of the Tour with perhaps even the bonus of a stage win in the mountains. To do so would not necessarily require him having his own designated support rider but rather they just use 1-2 men to springboard him up the road on that particular day.
He could however podium the Vuelta .... somehow I think that would trump whatever they would achieve at the Tour (I can only see SY being top 10 at best). Yes, I get it that for a certain segment of the public the Tour is the ONLY race but more and more of their public have become sufficiently educated to value the other GTs. Hell, even sponsors are likely to see the value in a podium at one of the other 2 GTs rather than an anonymous xxth at the Tour no matter the legitimate worth of that ride.
- Nov 2, 2009
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- May 5, 2010
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Cannondale wins (WT) races.
Denmark wasn't the last major country to get a win.
Rui Costa wins stuff.
This is a weird year!
LaFlorecita said:
Cannondale wins (WT) races.
Denmark wasn't the last major country to get a win.
Rui Costa wins stuff.
This is a weird year!
- May 5, 2010
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Until Talansky took his stage win in ToC, and Rolland his stage win in the Giro, their latest WT win had been Formolo's Giro stage win.
Back in 2015.
Anderis said:Then it must have been only one not a weird year in recent years.RedheadDane said:
Until Talansky took his stage win in ToC, and Rolland his stage win in the Giro, their latest WT win had been Formolo's Giro stage win.
Back in 2015.
- Jun 30, 2014
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Hansen is part of a Greipel's sprint train. He wasn't Valls' rival for a place in the roster. Riders like De Gendt and Wellens were.
Lotto used to take Greipel + 5 lead-out men and 3 riders who could fight on hilly stages each year. Now the balance is a bit changed (funnily just when we have one of the most flat editions in recent years) because Benoot took a place which was reserved for Henderson for years. I don't know if Benoot will be useful for Greipel but he is definetely a different type of rider to Henderson, he just has finished Dauphine 12th overall.
Lotto used to take Greipel + 5 lead-out men and 3 riders who could fight on hilly stages each year. Now the balance is a bit changed (funnily just when we have one of the most flat editions in recent years) because Benoot took a place which was reserved for Henderson for years. I don't know if Benoot will be useful for Greipel but he is definetely a different type of rider to Henderson, he just has finished Dauphine 12th overall.
- Feb 10, 2015
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Astana
Fabio Aru
Dario Cataldo
Jakob Fuglsang
Andriy Grivko
Dmitriy Gruzdev
Bakhtiyar Kozhatayev
Alexey Lutsenko
Michael Valgren
Andrey Zeits
Fortuneo
Maxime Bouet
Brice Feillu
Elie Gesbert
Romain Hardy
Daniel McLay
Pierre-Luc Périchon
Laurent Pichon
Eduardo Sepulveda
Florian Vachon
Fabio Aru
Dario Cataldo
Jakob Fuglsang
Andriy Grivko
Dmitriy Gruzdev
Bakhtiyar Kozhatayev
Alexey Lutsenko
Michael Valgren
Andrey Zeits
Fortuneo
Maxime Bouet
Brice Feillu
Elie Gesbert
Romain Hardy
Daniel McLay
Pierre-Luc Périchon
Laurent Pichon
Eduardo Sepulveda
Florian Vachon
- Mar 11, 2009
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- Jun 30, 2014
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Kozhatayev earned his Tour spot with a great ride in RdS and he was there when Nibali needed him on the Agnello stage last year. With Kangert and Lopez out of the picture and him doing so well they almost had to pick him as a climbing domestiqe.
Alexandre B. said:
Kozhatayev earned his Tour spot with a great ride in RdS and he was there when Nibali needed him on the Agnello stage last year. With Kangert and Lopez out of the picture and him doing so well they almost had to pick him as a climbing domestiqe.
- Feb 10, 2015
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Direct Energie
Thomas Boudat
Lilian Calmejane
Sylvain Chavanel
Yohann Gène
Adrien Petit
Perrig Quéméneur
Romain Sicard
Angelo Tulik
Thomas Voeckler
Thomas Boudat
Lilian Calmejane
Sylvain Chavanel
Yohann Gène
Adrien Petit
Perrig Quéméneur
Romain Sicard
Angelo Tulik
Thomas Voeckler
- Sep 28, 2010
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- Feb 10, 2015
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What I don't understand is how Bernaudeau is bringing Coquard's sprint train without him. Does he really expect to contest the flat stages with Petit or Boudat?
- Sep 28, 2010
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What would be the alternative? Hivert maybe, the rest of the current roster wouldn't add anything to the Tour team.
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