2018 UEC Road Elite Euro Championships, Glasgow(5-12 August)

[Hugo Koblet]

Superb race by Italy today. They dominated the race all throughout. And Cimolai especially was outstanding.

 

[wirral]

Not pointing to any malevolent intent, but if Van Der Poel keeps sprinting in that manner on the road, he may well cause accidents.

 

[franic]

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Superb race by Italy today. They dominated the race all throughout. And Cimolai especially was outstanding.

To be fair, Italy is the only national team that can win races with inferior riders. Cassani is a master tactician. Whenever he has a slightly competitive team (e.g. Rio 2016) he's always out there for the win

 

[Winnen]

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Not pointing to any malevolent intent, but if Van Der Poel keeps sprinting in that manner on the road, he may well cause accidents.

It did look like that. It seems to me that this is also not very efficient.

 

[yaco]

Well deserved win by Trentin - Was in the final selection of nearly every flemish classic but lacked team support - Got brought down in PR and missed 2 1/2 months of the season and has slowly been getting back to form - He should do well at the Vuelta - Reckon Albasini would have come second if not for the crash.

 

[franic]

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Well deserved win by Trentin - Was in the final selection of nearly every flemish classic but lacked team support - Got brought down in PR and missed 2 1/2 months of the season and has slowly been getting back to form - He should do well at the Vuelta - Reckon Albasini would have come second if not for the crash.

He was in pole position to catch Nibali and possibly win at MSR. He's also a very nice and humble rider

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Podium more satisfying than the race really.

I agree. Can't say it was a bad race, but not much happened after the group of outsiders got away. Probably, the best kilometers were between 80 and 50 to go.

But I'm very happy to see MVP on the podium and beat Van Aert, even though it wasn't too surprising. Trentin did what he had to do, it looks like he's back. Is he going to La Vuelta for the sprints?

 

[yaco]

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Podium more satisfying than the race really.

I agree. Can't say it was a bad race, but not much happened after the group of outsiders got away. Probably, the best kilometers were between 80 and 50 to go.

But I'm very happy to see MVP on the podium and beat Van Aert, even though it wasn't too surprising. Trentin did what he had to do, it looks like he's back. Is he going to La Vuelta for the sprints?

Will be riding the Vuelta - It's a pretty decent sprint field this year, so will need a reduced peleton.

 

[El Pistolero]

Germany rode like a turd, Van Aert should have attacked on the final hill and Van der Poel needs to learn how to sprint correctly or he's going to make a lot of enemies.

 

[Robert5091]

Chapeau Trentin & Cimolai! A real attrition race.

 

[franic]

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Germany rode like a turd, Van Aert should have attacked on the final hill and Van der Poel needs to learn how to sprint correctly or he's going to make a lot of enemies.

Pretty hard to attack with Cimolai being Trentin's guarding dog. As a matter of fact, the only one other than Trentin who could have won from the breakaway was Cimolai and he could have definitely done it if the others kept waiting when he attacked. Italy had a clear superiority in that breakaway and it was almost impossible to beat them.

 

[Koronin]

Nice win for Trentin. Glad he was able to get this one.
Sagan said something on twitter about his injuries from his Tour crash still bothering him and he needs more time to recover.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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Pure Italian team class.

They went with a serious squad while the other nations went mostly with second fiddle, so indeed they deserve it.

France very poor.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Germany rode like a turd, Van Aert should have attacked on the final hill and Van der Poel needs to learn how to sprint correctly or he's going to make a lot of enemies.

Pretty hard to attack with Cimolai being Trentin's guarding dog. As a matter of fact, the only one other than Trentin who could have won from the breakaway was Cimolai and he could have definitely done it if the others kept waiting when he attacked. Italy had a clear superiority in that breakaway and it was almost impossible to beat them.

If Van Aert had attacked, Trentin would very likely have had to respond himself at that stage. Knowing it was this close to the finish and he is arguably the best TT of the bunch, especially after a hard race, he only needed a small gap and Mathieu telling the Italians to do the work.

 

[Ricco']

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Germany rode like a turd, Van Aert should have attacked on the final hill and Van der Poel needs to learn how to sprint correctly or he's going to make a lot of enemies.

Pretty hard to attack with Cimolai being Trentin's guarding dog. As a matter of fact, the only one other than Trentin who could have won from the breakaway was Cimolai and he could have definitely done it if the others kept waiting when he attacked. Italy had a clear superiority in that breakaway and it was almost impossible to beat them.

If Van Aert had attacked, Trentin would very likely have had to respond himself at that stage. Knowing it was this close to the finish and he is arguably the best TT of the bunch, especially after a hard race, he only needed a small gap and Mathieu telling the Italians to do the work.

The problem with that is that if one of two crossers attacked and the italians closed the gap, it opened the door for the other crosser to go away on a counter attack.

Van Aert and Van der Poel wanted to win. But I also think that they didn't want to lose to one another. :razz:

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Both of them simply had a lot of confidence in their sprint as well.

It might be weird for people like Gigs_98 who don't follow them closely. But they have some right to be confident in their sprint ,even against Trentin. Not only because of their CX sprints, but because of some of their sprints in road races as well, especially after hard races.
In hindsight it's easy to say it wasn't the right decision but I for one can fully understand why Van Aert and Van der Poel would wait for their sprint. They are pretty fast after a tough race themselves and have beaten competent sprinters like Trentin in road races before.

It's the same thing with people asking why GVA is waiting for his sprint against people like Degenkolb and Sagan. He has beaten them before after a tough race. It's possible

 

[tobydawq]

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Both of them simply had a lot of confidence in their sprint as well.

It might be weird for people like Gigs_98 who don't follow them closely. But they have some right to be confident in their sprint ,even against Trentin. Not only because of their CX sprints, but because of some of their sprints in road races as well, especially after hard races.
In hindsight it's easy to say it wasn't the right decision but I for one can fully understand why Van Aert and Van der Poel would wait for their sprint. They are pretty fast after a tough race themselves and have beaten competent sprinters like Trentin in road races before.

It's the same thing with people asking why GVA is waiting for his sprint against people like Degenkolb and Sagan. He has beaten them before after a tough race. It's possible

I agree with the most of this but I still think it was a bit foolish of Van Aert to think he could outsprint van der Poel. He should know better. As the Danish commentators said: They were the two riders in the field who knew each others the best.

 

[jaylew]

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Both of them simply had a lot of confidence in their sprint as well.

It might be weird for people like Gigs_98 who don't follow them closely. But they have some right to be confident in their sprint ,even against Trentin. Not only because of their CX sprints, but because of some of their sprints in road races as well, especially after hard races.
In hindsight it's easy to say it wasn't the right decision but I for one can fully understand why Van Aert and Van der Poel would wait for their sprint. They are pretty fast after a tough race themselves and have beaten competent sprinters like Trentin in road races before.

It's the same thing with people asking why GVA is waiting for his sprint against people like Degenkolb and Sagan. He has beaten them before after a tough race. It's possible

I agree with the most of this but I still think it was a bit foolish of Van Aert to think he could outsprint van der Poel. He should know better. As the Danish commentators said: They were the two riders in the field who knew each others the best.

True. Wout knows he's not generally going to win a sprint against MVP but apparently he thought he had a bigger chance of winning that way than by attacking. He even said afterwards that he took MVP's wheel in the sprint because he thought he was the fastest in the group.

 

[GuyIncognito]

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It's the same thing with people asking why GVA is waiting for his sprint against people like Degenkolb and Sagan. He has beaten them before after a tough race. It's possible

Van Avermaet has beaten Sagan and Degenkolb uphill, like the old Omloop finish or the Schwarzenbach uphill in switzerland. Completely different.

Yes he is very very good uphill, but in a flat sprint, GVA is by and large overrated and has hardly ever beat anyone who is truly quick. Hell, he loses nearly every time to guys who are fast but not sprinters like Roux. Who was it that went through his sprints against Valverde earlier this year and it turned out he's never won a single one, was it Koronin?

Anyway, my point is Van Avermaet's sprinting on the flat is mostly overrated. It's good but not earth shattering. If you're reliably beaten by the likes of Nathan Haas, you have to attack. Which is why he does. Van Aert not doing the same is a bit baffling. If not for the crash taking out Albasini Van Aert's only medal would be a participation one.

edit: spelling

 

[Koronin]

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It's the same thing with people asking why GVA is waiting for his sprint against people like Degenkolb and Sagan. He has beaten them before after a tough race. It's possible

Van Avermaet has beaten Sagan and Degenkolb uphill, like the old Omloop finish or the Schwarzenbach uphill in switzerland. Completely different.

Yes he is very very good uphill, but in a flat sprint, GVA is by and large overrated and has hardly ever beat anyone who is truly quick. Hell, he loses nearly every time to guys who are fast but not sprinters like Roux. Who was it that went through his sprints against Valverde earlier this year and it turned out he never won a single one, was it Koronin?

Anyway, my point is Van Avermaet's sprinting on the flat is mostly overrated. It's good but not earth shattering. If you're reliably beaten by the likes of Nathan Haas, you have to attack. Which is why he does. Van Aert not doing the same is a bit baffling. If not for the crash taking out Albasini Van Aert's only medal would be a participation one.

edit: spelling

It actually wasn't me.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Re: 2018 UEC Road Elite Euro Championships, Glasgow(5-12 Aug

Thanks. Like I showed above, I'm not sure who it was, so I must've subconsciously associated you with Valverde :lol:

 

[Koronin]

Re: 2018 UEC Road Elite Euro Championships, Glasgow(5-12 Aug

Thanks. Like I showed above, I'm not sure who it was, so I must've subconsciously associated you with Valverde :lol:

Not a problem. I can totally understand why you thought it may have been me. Although with that stat I'm not sure if it's saying how much sprint speed Valverde actually has or that Van Avermaet doesn't have that much speed.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Re: 2018 UEC Road Elite Euro Championships, Glasgow(5-12 Aug

Heh, so Trentin was Italian Cyclocross U23 champion in 2007

Guess the entire podium was CX?

 

[franic]

Re: 2018 UEC Road Elite Euro Championships, Glasgow(5-12 Aug

Heh, so Trentin was Italian Cyclocross U23 champion in 2007

Guess the entire podium was CX?

With a weather like the one today in Glasgow that’s hardly surprising

 

[El Pistolero]

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It's the same thing with people asking why GVA is waiting for his sprint against people like Degenkolb and Sagan. He has beaten them before after a tough race. It's possible

Van Avermaet has beaten Sagan and Degenkolb uphill, like the old Omloop finish or the Schwarzenbach uphill in switzerland. Completely different.

Yes he is very very good uphill, but in a flat sprint, GVA is by and large overrated and has hardly ever beat anyone who is truly quick. Hell, he loses nearly every time to guys who are fast but not sprinters like Roux. Who was it that went through his sprints against Valverde earlier this year and it turned out he's never won a single one, was it Koronin?

Anyway, my point is Van Avermaet's sprinting on the flat is mostly overrated. It's good but not earth shattering. If you're reliably beaten by the likes of Nathan Haas, you have to attack. Which is why he does. Van Aert not doing the same is a bit baffling. If not for the crash taking out Albasini Van Aert's only medal would be a participation one.

edit: spelling

GVA is not over-rated and he doesn't even compete in the same races as Valverde, so such a comparison makes no sense. I do know that GVA kicked Valverde's ass at the Olympics and that was on a route that suited Valverde a lot more.