2019 Giro d'Italia, stage 3: Vinci - Orbetello 220 km

[RedheadDane]

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Maybe sprinters will need to have painted lanes in the future, like in XC skiing, where each sprinters takes their lane in the finishing straight and doesn't deviate from it.

Wouldn't that require all sprint finishes to be on (long), straight, wide roads? And what happens if there are only five lanes painted, but six guys who want to contest the sprint?

 

[King Boonen]

I don’t think Lequack was serious. This discussion has happened before.

 

[Tim Booth]

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Viviani was in the process of launching his sprint and picking his line into wide open space, he’d already gone past Moschetti and was much faster than him. No contact, very little danger. I think it’s a poor decision.

Viviani not only relegated to last place, but was fined 500CHF, issued a 30-second time penalty, and 50-point penalty in points jersey

 

[Laplaz]

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Viviani was in the process of launching his sprint and picking his line into wide open space, he’d already gone past Moschetti and was much faster than him. No contact, very little danger. I think it’s a poor decision.

Viviani not only relegated to last place, but was fined 500CHF, issued a 30-second time penalty, and 50-point penalty in points jersey

50 point penalty is simply ridiculous

 

[Lequack]

Well at least he wasn't DQ from the race like Sagan in the Tour.

 

[King Boonen]

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Viviani was in the process of launching his sprint and picking his line into wide open space, he’d already gone past Moschetti and was much faster than him. No contact, very little danger. I think it’s a poor decision.

Viviani not only relegated to last place, but was fined 500CHF, issued a 30-second time penalty, and 50-point penalty in points jersey

Assuming that’s the standard punishment?

 

[AQETUYIOI]

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Well at least he wasn't DQ from the race like Sagan in the Tour.

Sagan made several riders crash, one had to abandon.

 

[roundabout]

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Viviani was in the process of launching his sprint and picking his line into wide open space, he’d already gone past Moschetti and was much faster than him. No contact, very little danger. I think it’s a poor decision.

Viviani not only relegated to last place, but was fined 500CHF, issued a 30-second time penalty, and 50-point penalty in points jersey

yeesh, whatever happen to simply relegating to last like in the old days

 

[armchairclimber]

The only one that will really hurt (aside from losing the win) is the 50 point penalty.

 

[search]

yeah. And with Gaviria basically confirming that he'll be leaving the race halfway through, that could result in a fairly open fight for the Points jersey, maybe also including the GC guys

 

[Cance > TheRest]

I gotta be honest. I was almost certain Viviani and Moschetti would crash, just as I saw the maneuver the first time. They were extremely close, and it was a dangerous situation for sure. Probably an okay decision, even if legally it's a borderline case.

 

[armchairclimber]

If you're going to play the game of hanging onto the wheel of another rider until as late as you can, you really have to be sure that, in pulling out quickly, you're not impeding another rider ... no matter how fast you are. If you're a Ferrari changing lanes like that on the motorway, you still need to use your mirrors or the result can be fatal.

 

[tobydawq]

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Well at least he wasn't DQ from the race like Sagan in the Tour.

Sagan made several riders crash, one had to abandon.

Yeah, no, he didn't.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

It's the first abrupt move that' s not ok. Soon as i saw it, i immediately thought he would get relegated.

 

[Koronin]

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Viviani was in the process of launching his sprint and picking his line into wide open space, he’d already gone past Moschetti and was much faster than him. No contact, very little danger. I think it’s a poor decision.

Viviani not only relegated to last place, but was fined 500CHF, issued a 30-second time penalty, and 50-point penalty in points jersey

yeesh, whatever happen to simply relegating to last like in the old days

Wow. Isn't that just a little harsh? On the other hand, at least he wasn't kicked out of the race.

 

[AQETUYIOI]

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Sagan made several riders crash, one had to abandon.

Yeah, no, he didn't.

Cavendish has withdrawn from the race with a broken scapula

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cavendish-no-hard-feelings-toward-sagan-after-tour-de-france-crash/

 

[Robert5091]

A tale of two gentlemen (not from Verona) - Hatsuyama of Nippo-Vini & Viviani. I thought Viviani would win, and he did, then he did n't.
It did look a dangerous move, but this is GT sprinting so ... tough call, but the organizers have to think of all the riders well being.

 

[jaylew]

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Soon as i saw it, i immediately thought he would get relegated.

So did I. I can't believe anyone is actually arguing this one.

 

[jmdirt]

I finally had a chance to watch it and relegation was the correct call. I'm not sure what others are not seeing, but that's just my .02!

EDIT: IMO, the overhead video very clearly shows why it was the correct call.
https://cyclingtips.com/2019/05/gaviria-awarded-stage-win-after-viviani-relegated-in-giro-sprint-daily-news-digest/

 

[wirral]

Why did Arnaud Demare sprint for the 2nd intermediate sprint when there are no points jersey points available? There are only minor competition points there.

Is this an example of poor management at Madiot's team? You would think the rider would be better informed.

 

[King Boonen]

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Why did Arnaud Demare sprint for the 2nd intermediate sprint when there are no points jersey points available? There are only minor competition points there.

Is this an example of poor management at Madiot's team? You would think the rider would be better informed.

Only sprint he’s gonna win..?

 

[claude cat]

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Why did Arnaud Demare sprint for the 2nd intermediate sprint when there are no points jersey points available? There are only minor competition points there.

Is this right? Isn't there points allocated at all the TV sprint locations for the points jersey?

 

[wirral]

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Why did Arnaud Demare sprint for the 2nd intermediate sprint when there are no points jersey points available? There are only minor competition points there.

Is this right? Isn't there points allocated at all the TV sprint locations for the points jersey?

Last year there were points (ciclamen) jersey points awarded at both sprints but the points jersey looked like it was going to Frapporti early on! So, this year, they appear to have made 2 adjustments. Only the first of the 2 intermediate sprints counts towards the points jersey and each stage gives the same number of points at the intermediate sprints, irrespective of the type of the stage. The other rules stay intact e.g. 50 points for winning a flat stage, 15 points for winning a mountainous stage and so on.

Remember this is not to be confused with the minor competition, the Intermediate Sprint Competion, which awards points to the first 5 on both of the intermediate sprints.

I hope I have this right.

 

[claude cat]

The inrng Giro guide suggests otherwise.

http://inrng.com/giro/

Cyclamen: the points competition. Riders pick up points at the intermediate sprints, the traguardi volanti marked as “TV” on the profiles above and at the finish line. The allocation of points depends on the stage in question, they are categorised with the typical sprint stages offering more points in a bid to place the purple-toned jersey on the shoulders of a sprinter who is handy with mental arithmetic. The maglia ciclamino is sponsored by Segafredo Zanetti, a brand of coffee.

Category A+B stages (Stages 3,4,5,10,11,18) offer points for the first 15 riders at the finish: 50-35-25-18-14-12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1. For the TV there are points for the first eight: 20-12-8-6-4-3-2-1
Category C stages: (Stages 2,6,7,8,12) offer points for the first 10: 25-18-12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1. For the TV there are points for the first five: 10-6-3-2-1
Category D+E: (Stages 1,9,13,14,15,16,17,19,20,21) offer points for the first 10: 15-12-9-7-6-5-4-3-2-1. For the TV there are points for the first three: 8-4-1

 

[tobydawq]

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The inrng Giro guide suggests otherwise.

http://inrng.com/giro/

Cyclamen: the points competition. Riders pick up points at the intermediate sprints, the traguardi volanti marked as “TV” on the profiles above and at the finish line. The allocation of points depends on the stage in question, they are categorised with the typical sprint stages offering more points in a bid to place the purple-toned jersey on the shoulders of a sprinter who is handy with mental arithmetic. The maglia ciclamino is sponsored by Segafredo Zanetti, a brand of coffee.

Category A+B stages (Stages 3,4,5,10,11,18) offer points for the first 15 riders at the finish: 50-35-25-18-14-12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1. For the TV there are points for the first eight: 20-12-8-6-4-3-2-1
Category C stages: (Stages 2,6,7,8,12) offer points for the first 10: 25-18-12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1. For the TV there are points for the first five: 10-6-3-2-1
Category D+E: (Stages 1,9,13,14,15,16,17,19,20,21) offer points for the first 10: 15-12-9-7-6-5-4-3-2-1. For the TV there are points for the first three: 8-4-1

Well, that's wrong. It is exactly like wirral wrote.