2019 Giro d'Italia, stage 6: Cassino - San Giovanni R. 238km

[Rollthedice]

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It's amusing that Landa is now #3 in Movistar GC.

eta: no, #4 actually. :lol:

This guy just can't catch a break.

 

[Mayomaniac]

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Amador is the biggest threat of those who gained time today not Oomen who is not in top shape

May have pink after next TT

Today he looked weaker than Rojas and Conti isn't that bad of a TTer, he finished 2nd in the ITT in San Juan, he can defend the jersey in a hilly itt.
Carboni is also rather well rounded, a few years ago he almost beat Ganna in a technical itt at the u23 NC.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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This was the first non-WorldTeam and non-MvdP WT win of the year.

And the first Italian Giro win since Nibali's Stage 19 2016

 

[Eshnar]

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This was the first non-WorldTeam and non-MvdP WT win of the year.

And the first Italian Giro win since Nibali's Stage 19 2016

what

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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This was the first non-WorldTeam and non-MvdP WT win of the year.

And the first Italian Giro win since Nibali's Stage 19 2016

what

oops ... misheard the guys on the RAI
ignore that comment!

It was the first Italian maglia rosa since 2016 stage 20

 

[ice&fire]

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GC

11 ROGLIC Primoz TEAM JUMBO - VISMA 05’ 24”
12 CONCI Nicola TREK - SEGAFREDO 05’ 49”
13 YATES Simon Philip MITCHELTON - SCOTT 05’ 59”
14 NIBALI Vincenzo BAHRAIN - MERIDA 06’ 03”
15 LOPEZ Miguel Angel ASTANA PRO TEAM 06’ 08”
16 ULISSI Diego UAE TEAM EMIRATES 06’ 08”
17 MAJKA Rafal BORA - HANSGROHE 06’ 13”
18 MOLLEMA Bauke TREK - SEGAFREDO 06’ 19”
19 CARUSO Damiano BAHRAIN - MERIDA 06’ 20”
20 JUNGELS Bob DECEUNINCK - QUICK-STEP 06’ 26”

Rojas HAD to be 4th at something

 

[Valv.Piti]

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The biggest mountain stages will produce gaps approaching double-digits between the 1st and the ~15th rider. None of the riders in the breakaway are a threat.

Normally I would agree with you but you never know with Androni this year

I agree, they were stunning in Tour of the Alps.

I do think Oomen is the greater overall threat though, over a 3 week race. - He is a young GC contender in training, who - I remind you - got 9th overall at last years Giro.

Handing him 7 minutes, when he had already lost 6 helping Dumoulin, seems weird to me.

I do understand Jumbo wanting to lose the jersey this early in the race, but I don't understand the size of the gap..... Conti was only 2 minutes ahead - no need to give them 7!

Your reasoning don't really make sense. Whether Oomen has lost time due to helping Dumo, crashing, being bad or whatever doesn't matter. Oomen is a fine young rider in the mountains, but he is nothing in the bigger picture of things. Therefore, the other teams dont really care about him, Conti and all the other guys.

Ofcourse it matters.

If his form is bad, you could give him 15 minutes, and it would make no difference in the end.

But, if his form is good, and all his time was lost babysitting Dumoulin, it is stupid to let him back in the fight, especially when there is no need to.

As for your opinion he does not matter overall, please explain how he got 9th last year?

Doeesnt matter one bit - Rogla and Oomen are practically at the same time by now. Oomen could have had his best legs ever and it doesnt matter. What on earth are you on about?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Amador is the biggest threat of those who gained time today not Oomen who is not in top shape

Amador dropped on the penultimate climb (before the finish one) and came back in downhill. So I really doubt that

 

[Son of Amsterhammer]

There exactly zero threats ahead of Rogla. Good move to let it go.

 

[Mayomaniac]

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There exactly zero threats ahead of Rogla. Good move to let it go.

Unless Amaro finds his Volta legs

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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The biggest mountain stages will produce gaps approaching double-digits between the 1st and the ~15th rider. None of the riders in the breakaway are a threat.

Normally I would agree with you but you never know with Androni this year

I agree, they were stunning in Tour of the Alps.

I do think Oomen is the greater overall threat though, over a 3 week race. - He is a young GC contender in training, who - I remind you - got 9th overall at last years Giro.

Handing him 7 minutes, when he had already lost 6 helping Dumoulin, seems weird to me.

I do understand Jumbo wanting to lose the jersey this early in the race, but I don't understand the size of the gap..... Conti was only 2 minutes ahead - no need to give them 7!

Your reasoning don't really make sense. Whether Oomen has lost time due to helping Dumo, crashing, being bad or whatever doesn't matter. Oomen is a fine young rider in the mountains, but he is nothing in the bigger picture of things. Therefore, the other teams dont really care about him, Conti and all the other guys.

Ofcourse it matters.

If his form is bad, you could give him 15 minutes, and it would make no difference in the end.

But, if his form is good, and all his time was lost babysitting Dumoulin, it is stupid to let him back in the fight, especially when there is no need to.

As for your opinion he does not matter overall, please explain how he got 9th last year?

Doeesnt matter one bit - Rogla and Oomen are practically at the same time by now. Oomen could have had his best legs ever and it doesnt matter. What on earth are you on about?

There are other captains in the race than Roglic dude, there are a whole host of top 10 candidate captains, for whom it is a bad idea to let other contenders back into the race, when there is absolutely no need to.

They could have easily reined in the break to 3-4 minutes today.

It's simply poor strategy.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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There exactly zero threats ahead of Rogla. Good move to let it go.

If he rides a perfect, fault free race, sure, especially now the main contender is out.

But this is a grand tour....

 

[Valv.Piti]

Which teams are you suggesting should have done that? Katusha for Zakarin, Trek for Mollema...? The ones who are thinking about winning the race (about 5-6 riders) sure as hell aint gonna use anything on such a break and isnt viewing Oomen as a threat at all.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Which teams are you suggesting should have done that? Katusha for Zakarin, Trek for Mollema...? The ones who are thinking about winning the race (about 5-6 riders) sure as hell aint gonna use anything on such a break and isnt viewing Oomen as a threat at all.

Agree to disagree

 

[armchairclimber]

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Just switched on.

Can someone explain why the other teams are handing Oomen 7 minutes, which means Sunweb again has an overall contender to ride for?

Oomen isnt a threat

After your predictions the last few days, I'm off to the bookies with Oomen on the slip.

 

[Cookster15]

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There exactly zero threats ahead of Rogla. Good move to let it go.

If he rides a perfect, fault free race, sure, especially now the main contender is out.

But this is a grand tour....

That comment applies to every other genuine GC contender - including Nibali. Roglic's concern today wasn't letting the break go but any lingering problems from his crash injuries. Sometimes the effects of crash injuries are not immediately evident. We will see.

 

[Red Rick]

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Just switched on.

Can someone explain why the other teams are handing Oomen 7 minutes, which means Sunweb again has an overall contender to ride for?

Oomen isnt a threat

After your predictions the last few days, I'm off to the bookies with Oomen on the slip.

Let's just say I thought Kyrgios would win today after going a break up in the 3rd set and then he got his arse disqulified about 50 seconds later

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Which teams are you suggesting should have done that? Katusha for Zakarin, Trek for Mollema...? The ones who are thinking about winning the race (about 5-6 riders) sure as hell aint gonna use anything on such a break and isnt viewing Oomen as a threat at all.

Agree to disagree

Fair enough, but I would still be interested about hearing about the top 5-15 riders who should send domestiques to the front.

 

[Robert5091]

Chapeau Masnada & Conti - one for Androni to remember & UAE get something after all the Aru problems. Repeat performance tomorrow?!

So the GC guys took a day off. Ho hum, onto stage 7!

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Which teams are you suggesting should have done that? Katusha for Zakarin, Trek for Mollema...? The ones who are thinking about winning the race (about 5-6 riders) sure as hell aint gonna use anything on such a break and isnt viewing Oomen as a threat at all.

Agree to disagree

Fair enough, but I would still be interested about hearing about the top 5-15 riders who should send domestiques to the front.

I would if it was someone else, but you always seem to be spoiling for a fight, which I find boring, sorry

 

[topt]

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The biggest mountain stages will produce gaps approaching double-digits between the 1st and the ~15th rider. None of the riders in the breakaway are a threat.

Normally I would agree with you but you never know with Androni this year

I agree, they were stunning in Tour of the Alps.

I do think Oomen is the greater overall threat though, over a 3 week race. - He is a young GC contender in training, who - I remind you - got 9th overall at last years Giro.

Handing him 7 minutes, when he had already lost 6 helping Dumoulin, seems weird to me.

I do understand Jumbo wanting to lose the jersey this early in the race, but I don't understand the size of the gap..... Conti was only 2 minutes ahead - no need to give them 7!

Your reasoning don't really make sense. Whether Oomen has lost time due to helping Dumo, crashing, being bad or whatever doesn't matter. Oomen is a fine young rider in the mountains, but he is nothing in the bigger picture of things. Therefore, the other teams dont really care about him, Conti and all the other guys.

Ofcourse it matters.

If his form is bad, you could give him 15 minutes, and it would make no difference in the end.

But, if his form is good, and all his time was lost babysitting Dumoulin, it is stupid to let him back in the fight, especially when there is no need to.

As for your opinion he does not matter overall, please explain how he got 9th last year?

he was 102nd in the prologue

 

[Robert5091]

So what were the three guys doing outside the Astana bus that was shown on Eurosport?

 

[Robert5091]

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So what were the three guys doing outside the Astana bus that was shown on Eurosport?

Aah, I see - https://twitter.com/AstanaTeam/status/1129058083458748419

To clarify a strange information appeared today in twitter: all good in Astana Pro Team. Today, during the stage we had a sanitation and disinfection in the bus, performed daily by our new partner Infinity Biotech. #Giro #AstanaProTeam