2019 Giro d'Italia, stage 6: Cassino - San Giovanni R. 238km

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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I hate these stupid deals. What on earth did Conti gain from letting Masnada win?

How many Giro stages has he won since he can just afford to piss such a chance away?

How many times will he ever get a chance to ride multiple days in pink? Het gets the help of Masnada in return for the stage win. Had he not made the deal, he might have lost the stagewin anyway, and not have had the help to gain time.

Oomen shockingly weak btw. Doubt Tom would have had much help from him with this form.

 

[tobydawq]

Re: Re:

I hate these stupid deals. What on earth did Conti gain from letting Masnada win?

How many Giro stages has he won since he can just afford to piss such a chance away?

He gains legs and energy for later stages that isn't wasted fighting for a win he might not get.

Instead of a stage win? What kind of reasoning is that? He would obviously have won that sprint.

The only thing that makes sense about this for me is that the deal could have prevented Masnada from blowing Conti out of the water on the steepish hill after the longer climb.

And to broccolidwarf: What does he need another minute for? He was still soundly in the jersey. Surely a stage win should matter more than time in this situation.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

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Surely a stage win should matter more than time in this situation.

We'll, obviously it didn't.

 

[Bolder]

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I hate these stupid deals. What on earth did Conti gain from letting Masnada win?

How many Giro stages has he won since he can just afford to piss such a chance away?

He did win one Vuelta stage -- does that count? I dunno, in the grand scheme of cycling deals this one made some sense to me.

If Masnada pulled more b/c he was stronger, he gave Conti more of a cushion for the pink jersey, as King Boonen said. A GT stage win is a big deal for a pro conti ride.

 

[tobydawq]

Re: Re:

I hate these stupid deals. What on earth did Conti gain from letting Masnada win?

How many Giro stages has he won since he can just afford to piss such a chance away?

lol you must hate the sport of professional cycling then. These deals are everywhere.

Often, they even make sense.

Today was not one of those times.

He would have gotten multiple days in pink either way, that was not Masnada's doing.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Re: Re:

I hate these stupid deals. What on earth did Conti gain from letting Masnada win?

How many Giro stages has he won since he can just afford to piss such a chance away?

He gains legs and energy for later stages that isn't wasted fighting for a win he might not get.

Instead of a stage win? What kind of reasoning is that? He would obviously have won that sprint.

The only thing that makes sense about this for me is that the deal could have prevented Masnada from blowing Conti out of the water on the steepish hill after the longer climb.

And to broccolidwarf: What does he need another minute for? He was still soundly in the jersey. Surely a stage win should matter more than time in this situation.

A stagewin is actually a lot easier to come by for most riders, than a day in pink, let alone multiple days in pink. Masnada didn't care about time, he just cared about the win. He could have easily stayed in Conti's wheel, knowing Conti needed to ride to extend his lead as far as possible, and then easily outsprint him.

In which case, Conti had neither the win, neither the extra seconds/minutes he could have gained by Masnada's help. It could mean an extra day in pink.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Re: Re:

I hate these stupid deals. What on earth did Conti gain from letting Masnada win?

How many Giro stages has he won since he can just afford to piss such a chance away?

How many times will he ever get a chance to ride multiple days in pink? Het gets the help of Masnada in return for the stage win. Had he not made the deal, he might have lost the stagewin anyway, and not have had the help to gain time.

Oomen shockingly weak btw. Doubt Tom would have had much help from him with this form.

Tbh, I think you are misled. A 4% climb and 2% finish is something entirely different than a real mt stage. It's more about raw power than climbing prowess.

This says nothing about Oomen.

I remember Kruijswijk once losing a Giro stage to Danilo Hondo on a similar uphill stretch. Kruijswijk was top 10 in mountain stages that same Giro.

How quickly we forget... You might be completely wrong about this.

 

[Tour de Berghem]

Re: 2019 Giro d'Italia, stage 6: Cassino - San Giovanni R. 2

My impression is that Conti was without energy at the end...no deal, Masnada was stronger

 

[Climbing]

Conti would have been dropped if Masnada didn't wait, so there is nothing to talk about, the agreement was an excellent option for both.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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I hate these stupid deals. What on earth did Conti gain from letting Masnada win?

How many Giro stages has he won since he can just afford to piss such a chance away?

He gains legs and energy for later stages that isn't wasted fighting for a win he might not get.

And to broccolidwarf: What does he need another minute for? He was still soundly in the jersey. Surely a stage win should matter more than time in this situation.

He clearly believes he has a shot overall - he already announced he was riding for the overall prior to the giro.

 

[King Boonen]

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I hate these stupid deals. What on earth did Conti gain from letting Masnada win?

How many Giro stages has he won since he can just afford to piss such a chance away?

He gains legs and energy for later stages that isn't wasted fighting for a win he might not get.

Instead of a stage win? What kind of reasoning is that? He would obviously have won that sprint.

The only thing that makes sense about this for me is that the deal could have prevented Masnada from blowing Conti out of the water on the steepish hill after the longer climb.

And to broccolidwarf: What does he need another minute for? He was still soundly in the jersey. Surely a stage win should matter more than time in this situation.

The deal was made earlier on and Masnada did the lions share of the work. Without that, there's a chance it would have come back together at the front, there were better sprinters behind and his time gain would have been less.

It might not produce the best pure racing spectacle, but I enjoy the added story lines these things raise. Squire and others have pointed out other benefits.

 

[sir fly]

Masnada's having a nice spring.
And the big reward straight from Cassino to the Emrates.
That's a nice gain for them. And at a nice place in the race.
Jumbo isn't gambling with the resources on disposal.

 

[Pantani_lives]

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I hate these stupid deals. What on earth did Conti gain from letting Masnada win?

How many Giro stages has he won since he can just afford to piss such a chance away?

He gains legs and energy for later stages that isn't wasted fighting for a win he might not get.

Instead of a stage win? What kind of reasoning is that? He would obviously have won that sprint.

Without a deal Masnada wouldn't have worked with him, the others would have come back and Rojas would probably have won.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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You might be completely wrong about this.

You might also be completely wrong about this, lol. I guess we'll see. In good form, a climber should not get dropped on a 4% climb, by those guys.

 

[tobydawq]

Re: Re:

I hate these stupid deals. What on earth did Conti gain from letting Masnada win?

How many Giro stages has he won since he can just afford to piss such a chance away?

He gains legs and energy for later stages that isn't wasted fighting for a win he might not get.

Instead of a stage win? What kind of reasoning is that? He would obviously have won that sprint.

The only thing that makes sense about this for me is that the deal could have prevented Masnada from blowing Conti out of the water on the steepish hill after the longer climb.

And to broccolidwarf: What does he need another minute for? He was still soundly in the jersey. Surely a stage win should matter more than time in this situation.

The deal was made earlier on and Masnada did the lions share of the work. Without that, there's a chance it would have come back together at the front, there were better sprinters behind and his time gain would have been less.

It might not produce the best pure racing spectacle, but I enjoy the added story lines these things raise. Squire and others have pointed out other benefits.

But that would not have been in Masnada's interest so he would probably not have let that happen, deal or no deal.

But maybe he could have dropped Conti, and Conti probably sensed that. Which is the only reason I can see for a deal. I just think it's stupid because Conti did not really have much to lose from being dropped by Masnada if the stage win was out of the question in the first place. Except for a few seconds but he still would have been five minutes in front of all GC riders.

 

[red_flanders]

Re: 2019 Giro d'Italia, stage 6: Cassino - San Giovanni R. 2

My impression is that Conti was without energy at the end...no deal, Masnada was stronger

Agree on the energy. There still looked like a deal the way they both put themselves in very odd positions for the sprint. Neither seemed concerned with their position. Either they each knew who was going to win because of a deal, because Masnada (sp?) was clearly stronger, or both.

Conti would have been dropped if Masnada didn't wait, so there is nothing to talk about, the agreement was an excellent option for both.

That too.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

GC

11 ROGLIC Primoz TEAM JUMBO - VISMA 05’ 24”
12 CONCI Nicola TREK - SEGAFREDO 05’ 49”
13 YATES Simon Philip MITCHELTON - SCOTT 05’ 59”
14 NIBALI Vincenzo BAHRAIN - MERIDA 06’ 03”
15 LOPEZ Miguel Angel ASTANA PRO TEAM 06’ 08”
16 ULISSI Diego UAE TEAM EMIRATES 06’ 08”
17 MAJKA Rafal BORA - HANSGROHE 06’ 13”
18 MOLLEMA Bauke TREK - SEGAFREDO 06’ 19”
19 CARUSO Damiano BAHRAIN - MERIDA 06’ 20”
20 JUNGELS Bob DECEUNINCK - QUICK-STEP 06’ 26”

 

[markene2]

Why would you give Amador 2 minutes..

 

[HelloDolly]

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Masnada was the strongest ...so he may not have been given anything

Swiss Tony jogging with joy

Conti confirming he did not give the stage away ...Masnada was too strong so he settled for pink

 

[HelloDolly]

Amador is the biggest threat of those who gained time today not Oomen who is not in top shape

 

[Climbing]

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Amador is the biggest threat of those who gained time today not Oomen who is not in top shape

Yeah for sure, but not a very big one.

 

[HelloDolly]

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Amador is the biggest threat of those who gained time today not Oomen who is not in top shape

May have pink after next TT

 

[Eyeballs Out]

I don't think Amador is in great form either

 

[tobydawq]

This was the first non-WorldTeam and non-MvdP WT win of the year.

 

[spalco]

It's amusing that Landa is now #3 in Movistar GC.

eta: no, #4 actually. :lol: