2020 TdF CQ Game

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Stage 12 Everyone's new favourite rider gets it at last.

Green points

Today

1 Scrool07, Search 80 (Hirschi)
3 DJSprtsch 52 (Rolland and Elissonde)
4 ArchieBoy, Northerner, Salvarani, Shalgo, Triley36 50 (Rolland)
9 Koronin 15 (Herrada)
10 Josedin 3 (Reichenbach)
11 BicycleBoy, BikeRacer33, Del1962, Yellow_Knight 2 (Elissonde)
15 The remainder 0

Standings

Search takes over at the top, with Hirschi being a surprise weapon in this game's version of the points classification.

1 Search 423
2 Googolplex 372
3 ArchieBoy 357
4 Shalgo 331
5 Salvarani 321
6 Laarsland 309
7 DJSprtsch 261
8 BluesInTheBottle 241
9 AmisVelo 237
10 ChrisDK 235


Main Game

HIRSCHI Marc 85 2 teams
ROLLAND Pierre 55 6
ROGLIC Primoz 25 4
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus 15 1
REICHENBACH Sébastien 13 1
ELISSONDE Kenny 11 5
---
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe -10 4
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso -11 2
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon -23 1


Modest changes again today:

1 Search 85 (Hirschi)
2 Scrool07 75 (Hirschi but Martinez)
3 DJSprtsch 66 (Rolland and Elissonde)
4 Salvarani 56
5 Northerner 55
5 Shalgo 55
7 Triley36 48
8 ArchieBoy 41
9 BicycleBoy 36
9 Del1962 36
11 BluesInTheBottle 22
12 AmisVelo 17
13 Josedin 12
14 BikeRacer33 11
15 Rote_Laterne 9
16 Ray10 8
17 SafeBet 6
18 Armchair_Cyclist 0
18 Laarsland 0
20 ChrisDK -1
20 Googolplex -1
22 Comodoro -3
23 JustSomeGuy -5
24 Yellow_Knight -6
25 Leadbelly -7
26 Koronin -8
26 Mellow_Velo -8
26 Otoxiep87 -8
29 Bminchow -11
30 Pirate81 -16
Collective_Wisdom -8

Standings

The race, and game, are at a mature stage when no team moves by more than one place up or down. The value of place riders can be seen by the fact that BicycleBoy has both Roglic and Bernal while Search, who has neither of them, is only 5 points behind him.

1 BluesInTheBottle 1626 0
2 BicycleBoy 1537 0
3 Search 1532 0
4 Del1962 1457 0
5 Shalgo 1402 0
6 Rote_Laterne 1347 0
7 Northerner 1334 1
8 Comodoro 1312 -1
9 AmisVelo 1241 0
10 Salvarani 1237 1
11 Googolplex 1192 -1
12 Armchair_Cyclist 1149 1
13 Bminchow 1139 -1
14 Triley36 1126 0
15 Otoxiep87 1062 0
16 BikeRacer33 1054 1
17 SafeBet 1052 -1
18 Mellow_Velo 1033 0
19 Leadbelly 1031 0
20 Scrool07 1017 0
21 Yellow_Knight 927 0
22 JustSomeGuy 908 0
23 DJSprtsch 881 1
24 Pirate81 814 -1
25 Laarsland 798 0
26 Koronin 695 0
27 ArchieBoy 693 0
28 Ray10 620 0
29 Josedin 573 1
30 ChrisDK 567 -1
Collective_Wisdom 1313

After several days, the GC race should resume tomorrow.
 
Stage 13 Unlucky for the French contenders

Green points

Two teams had the luxury of watching the last couple of km without worrying about what order they finished in

1= ChrisDK, Scrool07 130 (Martinez and Kamna)
3 ArchieBoy 95 (Martinez and Rolland)
4 Yellow_Knight 80 (Martinez)
5 Armchair_Cyclist, BikeRacer33, Josedin, Pirate81, Ray10 50 (Kamna)
10 DJSprtsch, Northerner, Salvarani, Shalgo, Triley36 15 (Rolland)
15= All others 0
Collective_Wisdom 40

Standings

Archie comes from 3rd to top, and ChrisDK from 10th to 4th. Scrool and Ray appear in the top ten, with rises of 10 and 3 positions

1 ArchieBoy 452
2 Search 423
3 Googolplex 372
4 ChrisDK 365
5 Shalgo 346
6 Salvarani 336
7 Scrool07 312
8 Laarsland 309
9 DJSprtsch 276
10 Ray10 253


Main Game

After a few neutralised days (GC wise), today we are back to some large gains

POGACAR Tadej 216 2 teams
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 107 4
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 80 6
URAN URAN Rigoberto 60 7
KÄMNA Lennard 57 7
LANDA MEANA Mikel 40 1
ROLLAND Pierre 31 6
MAS NICOLAU Enric 30 2
ROGLIC Primoz 20 4
---
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley -70 16
BARDET Romain -180 7
MARTIN Guillaume -250 2

Two teams have Pogacar, but for Salvarani, the boost to his score was wiped out by Guillaume Martin's demise.
1 JustSomeGuy 248 (Pogacar and Mas)
2 ChrisDK 151 (Martinez and Kamna)
3 Armchair_Cyclist 139 (Lopez, Uran, Kamna but Bernal)
4 ArchieBoy 122 (Martinez and Rolland)
5 DJSprtsch 103 (Uran and Rolland)
6 Laarsland 92
7 Scrool07 83
8 Koronin 61
9 Josedin 55
10 Yellow_Knight 37
11 Ray10 36
12 Shalgo 33
13 Triley36 23
14 AmisVelo 22
15 Salvarani 14
16 Otoxiep87 12
17 Bminchow 7
18 Rote_Laterne -3
19 Pirate81 -19
20 Mellow_Velo -28
21 Search -32
22 BicycleBoy -40
22 BluesInTheBottle -40
24 Googolplex -47
25 SafeBet -48
26 Northerner -122
27 Del1962 -143
28 BikeRacer33 -181
29 Comodoro -263
30 Leadbelly -428
Collective_Wisdom -118


Standings

Two teams have both Roglic and Bernal, but none combined Rog'n'Pog. Search, despite the damage done to his score by Bardet today, moves into second place. Armchair is the only entry into the top ten, but just outside it JSG has an 11 place move.

1 BluesInTheBottle 1586 0
2 Search 1500 1
3 BicycleBoy 1497 -1
4 Shalgo 1435 1
5 Rote_Laterne 1344 1
6 Del1962 1314 -2
7 Armchair_Cyclist 1288 5
8 AmisVelo 1263 1
9 Salvarani 1251 1
10 Northerner 1212 -3
11 JustSomeGuy 1156 11
12 Triley36 1149 2
13 Bminchow 1146 0
14 Googolplex 1145 -3
15 Scrool07 1100 5
16 Otoxiep87 1074 -1
17 Comodoro 1049 -9
18 Mellow_Velo 1005 0
19 SafeBet 1004 -2
20 DJSprtsch 984 3
21 Yellow_Knight 964 0
22 Laarsland 890 3
23 BikeRacer33 873 -7
24 ArchieBoy 815 3
25 Pirate81 795 -1
26 Koronin 756 0
27 ChrisDK 718 3
28 Ray10 656 0
29 Josedin 628 0
30 Leadbelly 603 -11
Collective_Wisdom 1195

Spreadsheet
 
Stage 14 Green jersey again dominates the stage

Green points

1= ArchieBoy, Laarsland, Otoxiep87 50 (Mezgec)
4= Bminchow, DJSprtsch, Yellow_Knight 25 (Sagan)
7= Scrool07, Search 1 (Hirschi)
9= Everyone else 0

Standings

Two of the Mezgec teams are in the top ten: Archie extends his lead and Laarsland moves up one. DJS had Sagan, but does not change position.
1 ArchieBoy 502
2 Search 424
3 Googolplex 372
4 ChrisDK 365
5 Laarsland 359
6 Shalgo 346
7 Salvarani 336
8 Scrool07 313
9 DJSprtsch 301
10 Ray10 253

Main Game

Not a lot

MEZGEC Luka 50 3 teams
SAGAN Peter 25 3
ROGLIC Primoz 20 4
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 16 2
VAN AERT Wout 14 3
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos 14 1
KÄMNA Lennard 12 7
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 11 1
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 11 1
DUMOULIN Tom 10 28
MARTIN Guillaume 10 2
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 10 1
---
COQUARD Bryan -10 5
REICHENBACH Sébastien -16 1
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe -18 4
LATOUR Pierre -20 3
BARDET Romain -140 7


1 Otoxiep87 56 (Mezgec and Dumoulin)
2 Ray10 49 (Van Aert, Kamna, Kwiatkowski and Dumoulin)
3 ArchieBoy 36 (Mezgec and Van Aert, but Martinez)
4 BicycleBoy 34
5 Laarsland 32
6 AmisVelo 26
7 DJSprtsch 25
7 Yellow_Knight 25
9 BluesInTheBottle 24
9 Pirate81 24
11 ChrisDK 23
11 Koronin 23
13 Rote_Laterne 16
14 Armchair_Cyclist 14
15 Bminchow 9
16 Salvarani 8
17 Googolplex 7
18 Mellow_Velo 6
19 Triley36 0
20 Josedin -2
21 JustSomeGuy -4
21 Shalgo -4
23 SafeBet -12
24 Del1962 -112
25 BikeRacer33 -122
26 Leadbelly -124
27 Comodoro -129
28 Search -137
29 Scrool07 -138
30 Northerner -142
Collective_Wisdom -96

Standings

BicycleBoy only ceded second place for a day, and Search reaches a podium position as Shalgo suffers from Bardet's withdrawal. Bminchow moves up 3 places and into the top ten, but if he had just 6 points fewer he would be where he was: it is very close in that part of the table.

1 BluesInTheBottle 1610 0
2 BicycleBoy 1531 1
3 Shalgo 1431 1
4 Search 1363 -2
5 Rote_Laterne 1360 0
6 Armchair_Cyclist 1302 1
7 AmisVelo 1289 1
8 Salvarani 1259 1
9 Del1962 1202 -3
10 Bminchow 1155 3
11 Googolplex 1152 3
11 JustSomeGuy 1152 0
13 Triley36 1149 -1
14 Otoxiep87 1130 2
15 Northerner 1070 -5
16 Mellow_Velo 1011 2
17 DJSprtsch 1009 3
18 SafeBet 992 1
19 Yellow_Knight 989 2
20 Scrool07 962 -5
21 Laarsland 922 1
22 Comodoro 920 -5
23 ArchieBoy 851 1
24 Pirate81 819 1
25 Koronin 779 1
26 BikeRacer33 751 -3
27 ChrisDK 741 0
28 Ray10 705 0
29 Josedin 626 0
30 Leadbelly 479 0
Collective_Wisdom 1099
 
Stage 15 The Chicken Liddle stage (Sky has fallen in)


Green points

1 JustSomeGuy 95 (Pogacar and Mas)
2 Salvarani 80 (Pogacar)
3= AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962 50 (roglic)
7 Scrool07 35 (Lopez and Kuss)
8= Armchair_Cyclist, Search 27 (Lopez and Uran)
10 Koronin 26 (Mas, Kuss and Valverde)
11= Laarsland, Northerner, Otoxiep87 25 (Lopez)
14 Googolplex 10
15 Mellow_Velo 5
16 5 Uran teams 2
21 Ten others 0
Collective_Wisdom 2

Standings

The big jump in the top ten is Salvarani up from 7th to third; the big jump into the ten is JSG, up 7 places.

1 ArchieBoy 502
2 Search 451
3 Salvarani 416
4 Laarsland 384
5 Googolplex 382
6 ChrisDK 365
7 Scrool07 348
7 Shalgo 348
9 JustSomeGuy 309
10 DJSprtsch 303

Main Game

Lots of riders gain points from overtaking Bernal and Quintana

POGACAR Tadej 130 2 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 95 4
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 85 6
URAN URAN Rigoberto 62 7
MAS NICOLAU Enric 55 2
LANDA MEANA Mikel 35 1
DUMOULIN Tom 30 28
KUSS Sepp 21 3
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 21 1
ELISSONDE Kenny 20 5
REICHENBACH Sébastien 20 1
---
HIRSCHI Marc -21 2
ALAPHILIPPE Julian -26 2
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander -110 1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley -260 16

Over half the teams suffer with Bernal's drop from contention.
1 JustSomeGuy 193 (Pogacar, Mas and Dumoulin)
2 Salvarani 176 (Pogacar and Dumoulin)
3 Del1962 151 (Roglic, Dumoulin and Elissonde)
4 Search 150 (Lopez, Uran, Dumoulin but Hirschi)
5 Koronin 127 (Mas, Dumoulin, Kuss and Valverde)
6 DJSprtsch 116
7 Laarsland 109
8 Scrool07 104
9 AmisVelo 103
10 ChrisDK 35
11 Ray10 30
12 ArchieBoy 9
13 Leadbelly 8
14 Josedin -44
15 Armchair_Cyclist -105
16 BicycleBoy -115
17 Northerner -129
18 BluesInTheBottle -131
19 Bminchow -147
20 Shalgo -164
21 Otoxiep87 -167
22 Triley36 -180
23 Googolplex -215
23 Yellow_Knight -215
25 Mellow_Velo -217
26 BikeRacer33 -232
27 Pirate81 -245
28 Comodoro -252
29 SafeBet -262
30 Rote_Laterne -272
Collective_Wisdom -215

Standings

The teams who were the top two for a week combined Roglic and Bernal, but as Bernal (along with Quintana) lost places, it was not a Pogacar team that took advantage, but one headed by two other Colombians: Uran and Lopez. Step up Search to wear the yellow jersey into the day off.

1 Search 1513 3
2 BluesInTheBottle 1479 -1
3 Salvarani 1435 5
4 BicycleBoy 1416 -2
5 AmisVelo 1392 2
6 Del1962 1353 3
7 JustSomeGuy 1345 4
8 Shalgo 1267 -5
9 Armchair_Cyclist 1197 -3
10 DJSprtsch 1125 7
11 Rote_Laterne 1088 -6
12 Scrool07 1066 8
13 Laarsland 1031 8
14 Bminchow 1008 -4
15 Triley36 969 -2
16 Otoxiep87 963 -2
17 Northerner 941 -2
18 Googolplex 937 -7
19 Koronin 906 6
20 ArchieBoy 860 3
21 Mellow_Velo 794 -5
22 ChrisDK 776 5
23 Yellow_Knight 774 -4
24 Ray10 735 4
25 SafeBet 730 -7
26 Comodoro 668 -4
27 Josedin 582 2
28 Pirate81 574 -4
29 BikeRacer33 519 -3
30 Leadbelly 487 0
Collective_Wisdom 883

I think I'll have some time for number crunching tomorrow.
 
I'm more than happy to take a top 5 for the day. About time my rare picks are starting to pay off. Maybe I'll be lucky and that will continue. Dumoulin, Mas, and Valverde look to all finally be finding some form, even if Dumoulin is working for Roglic. Also Kuss is showing he's still strong, even though he is also working for Roglic. From what I can tell from comments from Mas and Valverde they are working together.
 
Stage 16 Points for those who didn't take a second rest day

Green points

1 Josedin 116 (Kamna, Reichenbach, Alaphilippe)
2= Armchair_Cyclist, BikeRacer33, ChrisDK, Pirate81, Ray10, Scrool07 80 (Kamna)
8= ArchieBoy, Leadbelly, Triley36 25 (Sivakov)
11 SafeBet 1 (Alaphilippe)
12 All others 0
Collective_Wisdom 64

Standings

Because I didn't do a rest day posting with the whole table, here it is:
1 ArchieBoy 527
2 Search 451
3 ChrisDK 445
4 Scrool07 428
5 Salvarani 416
6 Laarsland 384
7 Googolplex 382
8 Josedin 357
9 Shalgo 348
10 Ray10 333
11 JustSomeGuy 309
12 DJSprtsch 303
13 BluesInTheBottle 291
14 AmisVelo 287
15 Yellow_Knight 243
16 Del1962 239
17 Otoxiep87 233
18 BicycleBoy 228
19 SafeBet 225
20 Armchair_Cyclist 207
21 Comodoro 186
22 BikeRacer33 176
23 Koronin 170
24 Pirate81 169
25 Bminchow 157
26 Mellow_Velo 154
27 Northerner 143
28 Triley36 132
29 Rote_Laterne 102
30 Leadbelly 82
Collective_Wisdom 223

Archie extends his lead, Chris and Scrool both move up 3, Josedin moves up 7 and into the top ten.

Main game

KÄMNA Lennard 101 7 teams
ROLLAND Pierre 46 6
REICHENBACH Sébastien 45 1
SIVAKOV Pavel 25 3
DUMOULIN Tom 20 28
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 17 2
ROGLIC Primoz 10 4

---
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban -11 2
KWIATKOWSKI Michal -14 1
POGACAR Tadej -15 2
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander -20 1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley -26 16
GAUDU David -26 1


1 Josedin 157 (Kamna, Reichenbach and Alaphilippe)
2 Scrool07 108 (Kamna and Dumoulin)
3 ChrisDK 104 (Kamna and Dumoulin but Chaves)
4 Armchair_Cyclist 95
4 BikeRacer33 95
6 Pirate81 82
7 Ray10 69
8 DJSprtsch 66
9 ArchieBoy 59
9 Triley36 59
11 Salvarani 45
12 Shalgo 40
13 Leadbelly 39
14 Northerner 34
15 AmisVelo 24
15 Del1962 24
17 Laarsland 20
18 Search 15
19 SafeBet 11
20 Koronin 9
21 BicycleBoy 4
22 BluesInTheBottle 1
23 JustSomeGuy -1
24 Googolplex -12
24 Mellow_Velo -12
24 Otoxiep87 -12
27 Yellow_Knight -14
28 Bminchow -17
29 Rote_Laterne -18
30 Comodoro -23
Collective_Wisdom 69

Standings

Salvarani is the only manager to move up within the top ten, and we now have a tie for second place (and no countback system). You have to go all the way down to 22nd place to find anyone who has climbed more than a single place, where Ray has moved 2.
1 Search 1528 0
2 BluesInTheBottle 1480 0
2 Salvarani 1480 1
4 BicycleBoy 1420 0
5 AmisVelo 1416 0
6 Del1962 1377 0
7 JustSomeGuy 1344 0
8 Shalgo 1307 0
9 Armchair_Cyclist 1292 0
10 DJSprtsch 1191 0
11 Scrool07 1174 1
12 Rote_Laterne 1070 -1
13 Laarsland 1051 0
14 Triley36 1028 1
15 Bminchow 991 -1
16 Northerner 975 1
17 Otoxiep87 951 -1
18 Googolplex 925 0
19 ArchieBoy 919 1
20 Koronin 915 -1
21 ChrisDK 880 1
22 Ray10 804 2
23 Mellow_Velo 782 -2
24 Yellow_Knight 760 -1
25 SafeBet 741 0
26 Josedin 739 1
27 Pirate81 656 1
28 Comodoro 645 -2
29 BikeRacer33 614 0
30 Leadbelly 526 0
Collective_Wisdom 952

Sorry I didn't get around to doing a breakdown yesterday (real life intervened). Here are all the numbers for you to do that for yourselves.
 
Reactions: SafeBet and Koronin
If Bernal had stopped during stage 16, rather than DNSing stage 17, the top ten would have been

1​
Search
1530​
2​
Salvarani
1490​
3​
AmisVelo
1420​
4​
BluesInTheBottle
1387​
5​
Del1962
1383​
6​
JustSomeGuy
1348​
7​
BicycleBoy
1328​
8​
Shalgo
1221​
9​
Armchair_Cyclist
1202​
10​
DJSprtsch
1201​
 
Which means that despite Roglic holding the big score for projected GC win, and 180 yellow jersey points so far, the 4 teams that have him are provisionally 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th. If the (presumed) winner is very expensive, then he does not necessary win you the game unless the rest of the budget is well spent, without expensive let downs. AV has Pinot and Buchmann, Del has Pinot and Bardet, and BitB and BB both have Bernal. More balanced teams are better than all in for yellow, it would appear.
 
Stage 17 Queen stage: more impact on the time differences than the positions, except in the case of Colombians.

Green points

Assume "and Dumoulin" for every team except the two with no points.

1 Scrool07 106 (Lopez, Kuss)
2= Armchair_Cyclist, Search 83 (Lopez, Uran)
4= Laarsland, Northerner, Otoxiep87 81 (Lopez)
7= AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962 51 (Roglic)
11 JustSomeGuy 46 (Pogacar, Mas)
12= Koronin (Kuss, Mas), Salvarani (Pogacar) 36
14 Googolplex 26 (Kuss)
15 Mellow_Velo 6 (Landa)
16= Bminchow, DJSprtsch, Rote_Laterne, Shalgo, Triley36 3
21= BikeRacer33, ChrisDK, Comodoro, Leadbelly, Pirate81, Ray10, SafeBet, Yellow_Knight 1
29= ArchieBoy, Josedin 0
Collective_Wisdom 3


Standings

A tie! Search was previously 2nd, Scrool 4th. Laarsland and JSG both also move up two places.

1= Scrool07 534
1= Search 534
3 ArchieBoy 527
4 Laarsland 465
5 Salvarani 452
6 ChrisDK 446
7 Googolplex 408
8 Josedin 357
9 JustSomeGuy 355
10 Shalgo 351


Main game

LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 175 6 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 95 4
POGACAR Tadej 81 2
KUSS Sepp 37 3
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 30 1
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 11 2
MAS NICOLAU Enric 10 2
---
DEBUSSCHERE Jens -20 1
ROLLAND Pierre -41 6
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander -60 1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley -94 16
URAN URAN Rigoberto -118 7



1 Scrool07 208 (Lopez & Kuss)
2 Laarsland 176 (Lopez)
3 Del1962 110 (Roglic)
4 AmisVelo 98
5 JustSomeGuy 94
6 Otoxiep87 84
7 Koronin 74
8 Search 51
9 Northerner 49
9 Salvarani 49
11 Josedin 11
12 BicycleBoy 8
13 Leadbelly 3
14 ChrisDK 2
15 BluesInTheBottle 0
15 Ray10 0
17 ArchieBoy -32
18 Armchair_Cyclist -36
19 Googolplex -56
20 SafeBet -82
21 Yellow_Knight -83
22 Mellow_Velo -86
23 BikeRacer33 -87
24 Pirate81 -94
25 Comodoro -97
26 DJSprtsch -152
27 Bminchow -204
28 Triley36 -250
29 Shalgo -252
30 Rote_Laterne -281
Collective_Wisdom -185

Standings

(Changes are since the end of yesterday's stage, not from the interim morning table)

Amis Velo moves onto the podium and is now the top Roglic team. Search is now top of both tables, so will have to decide which jersey to wear tomorrow. Scrool07 is a late claimant of a top ten place.

1 Search 1579 0
2 Salvarani 1529 0
3 AmisVelo 1514 2
4 Del1962 1487 2
5 BluesInTheBottle 1480 -3
6 JustSomeGuy 1438 1
7 BicycleBoy 1428 -3
8 Scrool07 1382 3
9 Armchair_Cyclist 1256 0
10 Laarsland 1227 3
11 Shalgo 1055 -3
12 DJSprtsch 1039 -2
13 Otoxiep87 1035 4
14 Northerner 1024 2
15 Koronin 989 5
16 ArchieBoy 887 3
17 ChrisDK 882 4
18 Googolplex 869 0
19 Ray10 804 3
20 Rote_Laterne 789 -8
21 Bminchow 787 -6
22 Triley36 778 -8
23 Josedin 750 3
24 Mellow_Velo 696 -1
25 Yellow_Knight 677 -1
26 SafeBet 659 -1
27 Pirate81 562 0
28 Comodoro 548 0
29 Leadbelly 529 1
30 BikeRacer33 527 -1
Collective_Wisdom 767
 
Now why has it never struck me to include this stat before?
Median scores according to which forum teams were submitted through: Cycling News 989 VeloRooms 884.5, (but you don't want to know what happens if I take the average rather than the median)
 
Stage 18 Gravelly, and a very odd photo finish

Green points

As yesterday, assume "and Dumoulin" unless told otherwise

1 Ray10 116 (Kwiatkowski, Van Aert)
2 ChrisDK 36 (Van Aert)
3 ArchieBoy 35(Van Aert, no Dumoulin)
4= AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962 26 (Roglic)
8 JustSomeGuy 21 (Pogacar and Mas)
9 Salvarani 16 (Pogacar)
10 Koronin 6 (Mas)
11 Mellow_Velo 4 (Landa)
12= Eighteen teams 1
30 Josedin 0 (no Dumoulin)
Collective_Wisdom 1

Standings

Archie is back on top, Ray has a 6 place jump.

1 ArchieBoy 562
2 Scrool07 535
2 Search 535
4 ChrisDK 482
5 Salvarani 468
6 Laarsland 466
7 Ray10 450
8 Googolplex 409
9 JustSomeGuy 376
10 BluesInTheBottle 368


Main Game

KWIATKOWSKI Michal 96 1 team
MAS NICOLAU Enric 65 2
LANDA MEANA Mikel 63 1
VAN AERT Wout 40 3
ROGLIC Primoz 31 4
HIRSCHI Marc 22 2
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 11 1
---
MARTIN Guillaume -10 2
ROLLAND Pierre -10 6
MARTIN Daniel -12 4
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander -12 1
POGACAR Tadej -14 2
ALAPHILIPPE Julian -14 2
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel -20 6
URAN URAN Rigoberto -60 7



1 Ray10 123 (Kwiatkowski and Van Aert)
2 Koronin 86 (Mas and Sanchez)
3 Mellow_Velo 60 (Landa)
4 JustSomeGuy 48
5 ChrisDK 47
6 BluesInTheBottle 36
7 ArchieBoy 34
7 BicycleBoy 34
9 AmisVelo 28
10 Del1962 24
11 Scrool07 15
12 Googolplex 9
13 Yellow_Knight 5
14 BikeRacer33 1
15 Comodoro -1
16 SafeBet -11
17 Leadbelly -13
18 Josedin -16
19 Laarsland -17
19 Pirate81 -17
21 Otoxiep87 -23
22 Northerner -39
23 Salvarani -43
24 Search -55
25 DJSprtsch -65
26 Shalgo -67
27 Rote_Laterne -69
28 Bminchow -73
28 Triley36 -73
30 Armchair_Cyclist -81
Collective_Wisdom -54

Standings

A new leader, as the continuing demise of Uran and Lopez losing places in the KoM classification topple Search. Although Ray10, with his unique pick of Kwiatkowski, dominated the daily scores, Koronin and Mellow Velo do better in terms of movement through the table.

1 AmisVelo 1542 2
2 Search 1524 -1
3 BluesInTheBottle 1516 2
4 Del1962 1511 0
5 JustSomeGuy 1486 1
5 Salvarani 1486 -3
7 BicycleBoy 1462 0
8 Scrool07 1397 0
9 Laarsland 1210 1
10 Armchair_Cyclist 1175 -1
11 Koronin 1075 4
12 Otoxiep87 1012 1
13 Shalgo 988 -2
14 Northerner 985 0
15 DJSprtsch 974 -3
16 ChrisDK 929 1
17 Ray10 927 2
18 ArchieBoy 921 -2
19 Googolplex 878 -1
20 Mellow_Velo 756 4
21 Josedin 734 2
22 Rote_Laterne 720 -2
23 Bminchow 714 -2
24 Triley36 705 -2
25 Yellow_Knight 682 0
26 SafeBet 648 0
27 Comodoro 547 1
28 Pirate81 545 -1
29 BikeRacer33 528 1
30 Leadbelly 516 -1
Collective_Wisdom 713

Average Velorooms: 1005.4
Cycling News 991.4
 
For once, your insistence on selecting Valverde, while he has not been great value for 1160 points, has been to your benefit, as it prevented you spending 1304 on Bernal.
There is something to that. Even if he ends up in 11th instead of 10 depends on how the TT goes, 11th is still better than a DNF. Actually if I wouldn't have been determined to take Valverde and just insisting to myself his consistency has to show up eventually I'd have been more likely to pick Sagan or Viviani or Trentin than Bernal. What's even worse in that none of the riders in that price range have been exactly a good value to the cost.
 
Stage 19 Sprinters' breakaway

Green points

1 Laarsland 53 (Mezgec and Bennett)
2= ArchieBoy, Otoxiep87 50 (Mezgec)
4= Googolplex, Search, Shalgo 3 (Bennett)
7 Bminchow, DJSprtsch, Yellow_Knight 2 (Sagan)
10 All the others 0

Standings

Archie extends his lead, the tie for 2nd place is undone, and Laarsland has moved up 2.

1 ArchieBoy 612
2 Search 538
3 Scrool07 535
4 Laarsland 519
5 ChrisDK 482
6 Salvarani 468
7 Ray10 450
8 Googolplex 412
9 JustSomeGuy 376
10 BluesInTheBottle 368

Main Game

Today was more about making various jersey statuses safe, so not many points to add, and even fewer to subtract

MEZGEC Luka 50 3 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 19 4
BENNETT Sam 3 4
SAGAN Peter 2 3
JUNGELS Bob 1 1
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus 1 1
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso 1 2
MARTIN Daniel 1 4
---
POGACAR Tadej -2 2
PÖSTLBERGER Lukas -20 1


You'll have noticed over the last 2 1/2 weeks that it is very unusual to have a net daily score or 0. Not today.

1 Laarsland 53
2 ArchieBoy 50
2 Otoxiep87 50
4 BluesInTheBottle 20
4 Del1962 20
6 AmisVelo 19
6 BicycleBoy 19
8 Bminchow 4
9 Search 3
9 Shalgo 3
11 DJSprtsch 2
11 Yellow_Knight 2
13 Koronin 1
13 Northerner 1
13 Pirate81 1
16 Armchair_Cyclist 0
16 BikeRacer33 0
16 ChrisDK 0
16 Comodoro 0
16 Josedin 0
16 Leadbelly 0
16 Mellow_Velo 0
16 Ray10 0
16 Rote_Laterne 0
16 SafeBet 0
16 Scrool07 0
16 Triley36 0
28 Salvarani -1
29 JustSomeGuy -2
30 Googolplex -17
Collective_Wisdom 0


Standings

Search slips off the podium as we come into the final weekend

1 AmisVelo 1561 0
2 BluesInTheBottle 1536 1
3 Del1962 1531 1
4 Search 1527 -2
5 Salvarani 1485 0
6 JustSomeGuy 1484 -1
7 BicycleBoy 1481 0
8 Scrool07 1397 0
9 Laarsland 1263 0
10 Armchair_Cyclist 1175 0
11 Koronin 1076 0
12 Otoxiep87 1062 0
13 Shalgo 991 0
14 Northerner 986 0
15 DJSprtsch 976 0
16 ArchieBoy 971 2
17 ChrisDK 929 -1
18 Ray10 927 -1
19 Googolplex 861 0
20 Mellow_Velo 756 0
21 Josedin 734 0
22 Rote_Laterne 720 0
23 Bminchow 718 0
24 Triley36 705 0
25 Yellow_Knight 684 0
26 SafeBet 648 0
27 Comodoro 547 0
28 Pirate81 546 0
29 BikeRacer33 528 0
30 Leadbelly 516 0
Collective_Wisdom 713

The top three teams should be able to expect a final bonus of 20 each for Roglic's collection of fluffy lions tomorrow, and if he is as high as most expect in the stage, they should be beyond the difference that Search might be able to make up from Bennett on Sunday. But Uran has a very good chance of overtaking Yates for 30 points in the time trial, which brings Search back into contention.

Other than Roglic, the top three also share Dumoulin (of course) and Van Garderen (!)

Those that make the differences between the teams are
Amis Velo
PINOT Thibaut
HERMANS Ben
BUCHMANN Emanuel
GIBBONS Ryan
BOL Cees

Blues in the Bottle
(BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley)
COQUARD Bryan
JUNGELS Bob
NIV Guy
REZA Kévin

Del1962
PINOT Thibaut
(BARDET Romain)
MARTIN Daniel
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald
ELISSONDE Kenny

So they all have some potential for minor points on Sunday, but nothing to pick between them tomorrow, I suspect.
 
Stage 20

This morning, the two teams with Pogacar were 5th and 6th, just one point apart, but seemed likely to be overhauled by the last remaining Roglic team below them and any difference between them would be of negligible importance.

And then that happened.

Green points

The rule against typing 'and Dumoulin' applies again, for every team with 50 or more points.

1 JustSomeGuy 132 (Pogacar, Mas)
2 Salvarani 130 (Pogacar)
3= ChrisDK, Ray10 75 (Van Aert)
5= AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962 65
9 Koronin 52 (Mas)
10 Uran teams 51
17 Dumoulin but no other top ten 50
29 ArchieBoy 25
30 Josedin 0
Collective_Wisdom 51

Standings

Salvarani jumps 4 places today, but his only sprinter for tomorrow is Bol, who is most unlikely to make up the 39 points he lacks, and even if he did, Bol is also on Archie's team (as are Mezgec, Van Aert and Bol). However, If Bennett is in the first two on the Champs, then the way is open for Search (or Laarsland, if Bennett wins and Mezgec is in the top four) to make a late challenge.

1 ArchieBoy 637
2 Salvarani 598
3 Search 589
4 Scrool07 585
5 Laarsland 569
6 ChrisDK 557
7 Ray10 525
8 JustSomeGuy 508
9 Googolplex 462
10 BluesInTheBottle 433


Main Game

Far more change than I think most of us expected


POGACAR Tadej 282 2 teams
DUMOULIN Tom 100 28
VAN AERT Wout 35 3
MAS NICOLAU Enric 32 2
LANDA MEANA Mikel 30 1
MARTIN Guillaume 10 2
---
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro -30 1
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel -120 6
ROGLIC Primoz -135 4


1 JustSomeGuy 416 (Pogacar, Dumoulin and Mas)
2 Salvarani 395 (Pogacar, Dumoulin and Martin)
3 ChrisDK 141 (Dumoulin and Van Aert)
4 Ray10 135 (Dumoulin and Van Aert)
5 Mellow_Velo 132 (Dumoulin and Landa)
6 Leadbelly 112
7 Comodoro 106
8 Bminchow 104
8 Koronin 104
10 Rote_Laterne 103
10 Shalgo 103
10 Triley36 103
13 BikeRacer33 102
13 Googolplex 102
13 Pirate81 102
16 DJSprtsch 101
17 Yellow_Knight 98
18 SafeBet 97
19 ArchieBoy 37
20 Josedin -1
21 Armchair_Cyclist -15
22 Scrool07 -16
23 Northerner -17
23 Search -17
25 Laarsland -18
25 Otoxiep87 -18
27 AmisVelo -33
28 Del1962 -34
29 BluesInTheBottle -35
30 BicycleBoy -37
Collective_Wisdom 104

Standings

An eleventh hour shake-up of what had looked almost settled, and we are left with a two horse race. The two Pogacar teams would have each moved up four places, except that Enric Mas gained a place from Lopez' disastrous TT, and that puts JSG in pole position rather than one behind. As if to make up for Valverde falling out of the top ten, Koronin appears in it.

1 JustSomeGuy 1900 5
2 Salvarani 1880 3
3 AmisVelo 1528 -2
4 Search 1510 0
5 BluesInTheBottle 1501 -3
6 Del1962 1497 -3
7 BicycleBoy 1444 0
8 Scrool07 1381 0
9 Laarsland 1245 0
10 Koronin 1180 1
11 Armchair_Cyclist 1160 -1
12 Shalgo 1094 1
13 DJSprtsch 1077 2
14 ChrisDK 1070 3
15 Ray10 1062 3
16 Otoxiep87 1044 -4
17 ArchieBoy 1008 -1
18 Northerner 969 -4
19 Googolplex 963 0
20 Mellow_Velo 888 0
21 Rote_Laterne 823 1
22 Bminchow 822 1
23 Triley36 808 1
24 Yellow_Knight 782 1
25 SafeBet 745 1
26 Josedin 733 -5
27 Comodoro 653 0
28 Pirate81 648 0
29 BikeRacer33 630 0
30 Leadbelly 628 0
Collective_Wisdom 817

Apart from Pogacar and Dumoulin, the top two both share Pinot and De Gendt.

So the determining factor tomorrow will be the comparative performances of these quartets:

Just Some Guy:
BUCHMANN Emanuel
COQUARD Bryan
GIBBONS Ryan
MAS NICOLAU Enric


Salvarani:
BOL Cees
MARTIN Daniel
MARTIN Guillaume
ROLLAND Pierre


So in essence, it is down to whether Bol can outscore Coquard tomorrow. Van Aert and Ewan are poised to push Coquard down the Green jersey positions if they finish ahead of him, so it could be very tight. If Sam Bennett gets the sort of result that is expected of him tomorrow, then Search should find himself on the podium.

The numbers so far

And those average scores for each forum: Velorooms 1095, Cycling News 1081.
 
OK, this gets complicated, but stay with me.

Coquard is currently credited with 25 points in the game for holding 4th place in the green jersey competition. He cannot improve on that position, but could lose places, and he loses 10 points if one of them passes him, and 15 if both of them do. Bol is not going to get any points in this game for the green classification.


So Just Some Guy's advantage might be 20, 10 or 5 points.

A win for Bol (stop laughing) would guarantee victory for Salvarani.

These are all written as what Coquard would need to get to keep JSG in the lead
If the margin is 20:
Bol 2nd, Coq would need 3rd
CB 3rd, BC needs 5th, which would make a tie
CB 4th, BC 7th to make a tie
and if Coquard retains those 20 points, there is nothing Cees Bol can do for Salvarani if he can't make the top 4.

If the margin is 10:
Bol 2nd, Salvarani wins (unless Coquard wins the stage)
Bol 3rd/4th/5th, Coquard needs 4th/5th/6th for a tie
Bol 6th, BC outside the top ten is a tie
Bol 7th or lower, JSG is the champion

If the margin is 5

Bol in the top 4, Coquard would need to finish ahead of him
Bol 5th/6th, Coquard one place behind him would make a tie
Bol 7th, a tie unless Coquard is in the top ten
Bol lower than 7th is no use for Salvarani.


If none of the relevant riders get points at the mid-race sprint, then Coquard's margin over Van Aert and Ewan is 13 and 15 points respectively: In that situation, the following paragraph applies.

If van Aert or Ewan win, Coquard can't prevent them overtaking him, but he can hold either of them finishing second off by being in the top 4. To stay ahead of Van Aert in 3rd/4th/5th/6th, Coquard needs 9th/11th/13th/15th. If Ewan is 3rd 4th or 5th, Coquard needs 11th/13/15th to stay ahead of him.

But if any of these three get points at the intermediate sprint, I'll have 5 laps left of the Champs to recalculate.

And this being 2020, it may be that something else affects the scores.
 
Just for fun I checked Coquards placings in the Paris sprint... that he has been a part of:

2014: 7th
2015: 2nd
2016: 168th (crashed or hindered)

It was awhile now though since he has been here.

Cees Bol has never contested the Paris sprint. Could the lack of experience in the finale play a roll? 3rd, 7th, 2nd and 8th so far in this Tour.

Coquard. 8th, 9th, 7th, 3rd, 7th and 4th so far in this Tour.

Kristoff and Boasson Hagen usually does well here. Could the slightly uphill be something that can suit Bol too? Im just making a wish, that it could be the case.

It will be exciting to see how this game ends either way :)
 
Much to my relief, the intermediate sprint has made no difference to the game calculations. So the finishing positions (in the paragraph beginning "If Van Aert or Ewan win") hold good as the thing that determines how many points Salvarani is behind. I don't need to do any more Maths until it is over.
 

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