I thought it was a decent performance by Aru. 12th place. Hopefully he will have a good season.
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I am so freaking tired of the fans who basically want the GC to be ruled by nothing but pure climbers.
Get rid of ITTs they scream.
TTTs are dumb they wail.
Long flat stages suck they cry.
What do they not understand about the term “all rounder”. Stage races are supposed to crown the best all rounder. Traditionally that has been a TTer who can also climb. And that is why TTing is considered The Race of Truth because you cannot hide. The strongest wins.
In the last decade climbers have been disproportionally advantaged as it is.
Everybody's been complaining about TTTs. The majority say there's not enough ITTs. I swear the only time people complained about too much ITT was the 2012 Tour which was mainly because the mountain stages were just disgustingly easy.I am so freaking tired of the fans who basically want the GC to be ruled by nothing but pure climbers.
Get rid of ITTs they scream.
TTTs are dumb they wail.
Long flat stages suck they cry.
What do they not understand about the term “all rounder”. Stage races are supposed to crown the best all rounder. Traditionally that has been a TTer who can also climb. And that is why TTing is considered The Race of Truth because you cannot hide. The strongest wins.
In the last decade climbers have been disproportionally advantaged as it is.
Both him and Alba (who is 2 years older though) did well. But what happened to Rubio?A good performance from Ardila, stayed with the top riders until about 2km from the end. Not bad for someone who hasn’t raced because of injury since the U23 Giro, and for a 20 year old in his first race at this level.
Everybody's been complaining about TTTs. The majority say there's not enough ITTs. I swear the only time people complained about too much ITT was the 2012 Tour which was mainly because the mountain stages were just disgustingly easy.
People want competitive and balanced routes. Sometimes it's hard to get both. But with the current GT landscape nobody complains about too much ITTing when there's 40km of it.
Count me among the group that doesn't like TTTs. I'm fine with adding other things that test a rider's skillset like a stage with cobbles but I just don't want the GC winner of a race determined because a rider happens to have teammates that are better TTers than another.And what if EF Education had won the TTT by a couple of seconds? We wouldn't hear any of this.
But they totally SMOKED the opposition.
DESTROYED them.
Should they not get any reward for that? Is not being able to do other things than climb steep gradients at high altitude important any more in bike racing?
Count me among the group that doesn't like TTTs. I'm fine with adding other things that test a rider's skillset like a stage with cobbles but I just don't want the GC winner of a race determined because a rider happens to have teammates that are better TTers than another.
I like watching ITTs, but it doesn't half benefit riders of the best-funded teams hugely. Bardet or Pinot could lose a stack of time simply because INEOS have Dennis, Castroviejo and others helping.
It's not even close to the same thing and while that might seem to be the case, it would be much harder to actually prove. The drag is minuscule on a climb compared to a TTT and what you're doing is affecting everyone in a TTT, not just your teammates.I get that sentiment, but we've had plenty of GT winners who won because they had the strongest teammates. Whether you ride a TTT in the run up to a MTF or in an actual TTT is more or less the same thing.
All fair points.
However, when Ti-Raleigh was winning TTTs in the late 70s and 80s they could be 80km long.
When Merckx won the TDFs there were often 3-4 ITTs totaling over 100KMs.
When Hinault and Indurain reigned, they had well over 100KMs of ITT.
Before the Vuelta, the three GT winners were Simon Yates, Carapaz and Bernal.
These are small CLIMBERS who are so-so, if not bad (Carapaz) TTers.
Before anyone freaks out at me. I am not saying that none of these riders should ever win a single GT. Maybe one or two at most though. Van Impe won one TDF (one that had 5 MTFs, and he could actually TT pretty well), Bahamontes won one. Fuente - the greatest climber of his era - never a single one.
If you keep shortening stages, adding MTFs at crazy gradients and eliminating ITT kms, you end up with one dimensional riders winning GTs and not all-rounders.
No one can convince me that Simon Yates or Carapaz is of the caliber or Merckx, Hinault, Indurain, LeMond, Fignon, Thevenet, Zoetemelk or even Roche, nor will they ever be.
I get it. I get it. People find watching climbing more exciting. But climbing was way more exciting in the 70s and 80s precisely because the climbers had more to do to catch up, and you also didn't know who might collapse or have a bad day because they had been ridden into the ground by the long flat stages.
GTs, traditionally, crown the best all-rounder. And also the rider who recovers best and has the best endurance. By shortening stages drastically and eliminating ITT kms you are irremediably altering the look of the winner.
And I find that a shame.
Can you not just set up a thread for whatever race you feel likeWhy do races like this get their own thread when the Tour Down Under is hidden away under "Hot racing coming up in Australia" ? UCI category does not explain this bias?
Years upon years of people not caring enough about Australian races to make seperate threads I suppose.Why do races like this get their own thread when the Tour Down Under is hidden away under "Hot racing coming up in Australia" ? UCI category does not explain this bias?
Why do races like this get their own thread when the Tour Down Under is hidden away under "Hot racing coming up in Australia" ? UCI category does not explain this bias?
Why do races like this get their own thread when the Tour Down Under is hidden away under "Hot racing coming up in Australia" ? UCI category does not explain this bias?
Yes, this is the case for all races, except the Australian races. This is mentioned clearly in the forum rules. There used to be a lot of Australian forum members back in the day, but they have all been permanently banned for opening race topics about the Australian races. And rightly so, imho.Can you not just set up a thread for whatever race you feel like
I thought it was for being a Cuddles cuddlerYes, this is the case for all races, except the Australian races. This is mentioned clearly in the forum rules. There used to be a lot of Australian forum members back in the day, but they have all been permanently banned for opening race topics about the Australian races. And rightly so, imho.
* above statement may or may not be completely fabricated *
The Cadel Evans factor!I thought it was for being a Cuddles cuddler