Giro d'Italia 2021 Giro d'Italia, Stage 10: L’Aquila – Foligno 139 km

[Panda Claws]

What happened with Gaviria man? He was such a big talent but it feels like he hasn't done much in the last couple of seasons.

 

[BlueRoads]

Molando did a great leadout for Sagan...

Yes, Gaviria's team must really hate him, although I don't know why.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

Stage 6 as well. Unless Italy has already adopted Bernal.

Oops, my error.

Gaviria is, I suspect, an Italian name though (like a very large proportion of Argentinina names)

 

[yaco]

Interested to see how far Sagan pushes himself in stage 11 - He's a proven Strade rider, though it appears the gradients may be a bit tougher than normal - Maybe he'll hang around to get the intermediate points.

 

[Kangaridoo]

Nah, everyone will get the same time.

For Sunday strolling in after 1 rider crashed?

 

[RedheadDane]

From way earlier in the stage, but was a little amused by this from PCS earlier: Riders with smallest difference between best and worst result:

#	RIDER	DIFFERENCE	BEST RESULT	WORST RESULT
1	RIVI Samuele	28	144	172

He's just been consistently terrible.

 

[Escarabajo]

What happened with Gaviria man? He was such a big talent but it feels like he hasn't done much in the last couple of seasons.

My opinion, is he is just starting to get in shape. I don't buy all that BS from his coach. He had crashes and 2 times Covid in the last 2 years. He barely rode last year and we expect him to be top sprinter now? that is impossible.

Some people think that he is a Sagan type of rider now. Maybe that is true, but he still had a lot of time without racing at the WT level.

Anyway, I think he is on the way out of UAE. LeFevre is going to get a good deal with him IMHO. Because he can still win.

 

[tobydawq]

Yes, 3vs1 or 2vs0 would still be the same between Evenepoel and Bernal. But i'm sure they'd rather not take any chances, dropping off and seeing Bernal can't follow and suddenly Evenepoel takes 3 seconds and Bernal 0. By taking away the 3 seconds, he diminishes the chances of greater timeloss.

Oh, come on, you just always have another argument, don't you? He was riding behind Bernal, there was no reason to pass him...

 

[Faserr]

Interested to see how far Sagan pushes himself in stage 11 - He's a proven Strade rider, though it appears the gradients may be a bit tougher than normal - Maybe he'll hang around to get the intermediate points.

I think he will watch out for Buchmann as long as he can.

 

[Billie]

Did a little wagging with the tail there to kill the momentum of the guy behind him, like Petacchi used to sometimes.

Yeah breaking the slipstream like Ale Jet

 

[Big Doopie]

vlasov 1 sec behind now. will that hold? hope so.

 

[Faserr]

Don't think so. The split was mainly caused by the crash.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

My opinion, is he is just starting to get in shape. I don't buy all that BS from his coach. He had crashes and 2 times Covid in the last 2 years. He barely rode last year and we expect him to be top sprinter now? that is impossible.

Some people think that he is a Sagan type of rider now. Maybe that is true, but he still had a lot of time without racing at the WT level.

Anyway, I think he is on the way out of UAE. LeFevre is going to get a good deal with him IMHO. Because he can still win.

Yeah, I think Gaviria’s slide is quite easily explained by a number of injuries and illnesses. It’s not as if he’s old.

A Quickstep return would be great for him, and would also be a very Lefevere signing - proven talent available very cheap. But all rumours about him that I’ve seen so far suggest Arkea instead... which would be less ideal.

 

[SafeBet]

I think he will watch out for Buchmann as long as he can.

Please no.

 

[Red Rick]

Please no.

He must party with Lo Squalo like it's 2013

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Oh, come on, you just always have another argument, don't you? He was riding behind Bernal, there was no reason to pass him...

It was more of a reflex, than it was a mathematical decision by Narvaez. I don't think it's that strange from his perspective, but i already agreed with what you said.

 

[tobydawq]

He must party with Lo Squalo like it's 2013

Yeah, those were better parties than the ones they had in March 2012

 

[tobydawq]

It was more of a reflex, than it was a mathematical decision by Narvaez. I don't think it's that strange from his perspective, but i already agreed with what you said.

Yeah, I agree it's a reflex, you have to be quite smart to think all those scenarios through in the heat of the moment and how the distributions of seconds will be.

But I think that is what coaches are for. Tell the riders that if your GC guy is in a boni sprint with a GC rival and seems to be losing, you don't interfere! That should be something every gregario knew.

 

[Ktarie]

Good reaction from Bernal in Kanter's crash. The young Colombian maneuvered his bike exactly between Kanter's bike and body.

Sagan's victories are mostly beautiful and spectacular at Grand Tours these days and sometimes cost his team a lot of energy.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Time differences at the finish have been restored
GC top 20:

1	1	-	BERNAL Egan	INEOS Grenadiers	20	38:30:17
2	2	-	EVENEPOEL Remco	Deceuninck - Quick Step		0:14
3	3	-	VLASOV Aleksandr	Astana - Premier Tech		0:22
4	4	-	CICCONE Giulio	Trek - Segafredo		0:37
5	5	-	VALTER Attila	Groupama - FDJ		0:44
6	6	-	CARTHY Hugh	EF Education - Nippo		0:45
7	7	-	CARUSO Damiano	Bahrain - Victorious		0:46
8	8	-	MARTIN Dan	Israel Start-Up Nation		0:52
9	9	-	YATES Simon	Team BikeExchange		0:56
10	10	-	FORMOLO Davide	UAE-Team Emirates		1:02
11	11	-	MARTÍNEZ Daniel Felipe	INEOS Grenadiers		1:13
12	12	-	SOLER Marc	Movistar Team		1:21
13	13	-	BARDET Romain	Team DSM		,,
14	14	-	VERVAEKE Louis	Alpecin-Fenix		1:34
15	15	-	BUCHMANN Emanuel	BORA - hansgrohe		1:47
16	16	-	NIBALI Vincenzo	Trek - Segafredo		2:13
17	17	-	TAARAMÄE Rein	Intermarché - Wanty - Gobert Matériaux		2:16
18	18	-	FOSS Tobias	Team Jumbo-Visma		2:23
19	19	-	MOSCON Gianni	INEOS Grenadiers		2:29
20	20	-	SCHULTZ Nick	Team BikeExchange		2:31

 

[Sciatic]

And how did you login?

March 4, 2011 means that there is some Back To The Future stuff going on here, or you had an older sock puppet brother

You didn’t have to be signed up to read the forum, was just a lurker back then. Is that so puzzling?

 

[Escarabajo]

Yeah, I agree it's a reflex, you have to be quite smart to think all those scenarios through in the heat of the moment and how the distributions of seconds will be.

But I think that is what coaches are for. Tell the riders that if your GC guy is in a boni sprint with a GC rival and seems to be losing, you don't interfere! That should be something every gregario knew.

I am a bit confused about what Narvaez did wrong here. Please explain. Thanks.

 

[Bonimenier]

I am a bit confused about what Narvaez did wrong here. Please explain. Thanks.

If he didn't sprint Remco takes 3s (instead of 2s) and Bernal takes 2s (instead of 1s). Same difference between them, but they take an extra second over the other contenders. Next to that it could've been risky if Evenepoel somehow managed to overtake him just before the line or Narvaez didn't manage to pass him which could have costed another second.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I am a bit confused about what Narvaez did wrong here. Please explain. Thanks.

He cost Bernal a second versus all GC competitors other than Evenepoel, without altering the loss of one second to Evenepoel. If he’d stayed out of it, Bernal would be in an identical position vis a vis Evenepoel but a better one against every one else

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I am a bit confused about what Narvaez did wrong here. Please explain. Thanks.

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