Giro d'Italia 2021 Giro d'Italia, Stage 17: Canazei - Sega di Ala 193 km

[Eclipse]

This is really ragged.

Would imagine it settles but could easily see shenanigans

 

[titan31]

Looked like at least 3 with Bernal going over the top and maybe a couple of more (?)

Looked like 2 and 1 came back, and Moscon ahead. Im guessing he had Castro and Martinez on the top but the others dropped off when the pace went up.

If someone wanted to they could do damage here. Sadly no rider will or there's a team strong enough. If this was Bahrain with Mohoric, Mader and Landa here, they'd have attacked on that climb (like earlier in the race) imo.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

de Bondt just hates Bouchard

He's going after the supercombative award, you get more points for that classification if you take a KOM.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I think you're right in the broader sense, and I wouldn't quite call it Xenofobia, but I can also get how someone could catch a whiff of "how dare those know-nothing loudmouth self-promoting nouveau riche dilettantes dare to play in our club", particularly early on.

To be fair, the way they promoted themselves up to and around their launch was pretty OTT both in terms of overhype and corporate buzzwords and self-promotion that oozed condescension toward the existing teams and structures which rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way. I mean, every single element of Team Sky had its own article and press release in early 2010, where they touted their scientific approach and advancements in such revolutionary fields as "Team Sky prepare sprint train in sprint training" and "Team Sky prepare for time trials with new time trial bikes", all while hyping their revolutionary new science-based approach, which lots of existing teams who were doing everything their budget would allow in that direction found patronising and disrespectful, before you got to Wiggins' "Wigan" comments about Garmin and claiming "it's like we won the Champions' League" after winning the TTT at the Tour of flaming Qatar.

Plus of course, they got a lot of lessons in 2010 about how road cycling has an awful lot more variables than track and requires a lot more adapting to. Once they did adapt, they could apply the lessons that they'd learned, but after all that bluster, it was no surprise there was a bit of triumphalism about their underwhelming introduction to the sport and that set them off on the wrong foot with a lot of the fanbase before they started behaving like US Postal and inviting those comparisons until people made the ones they didn't like.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

I hear this so much, it beggars beleif.
They have been the most successful stage race/grand tour team for a decade, so they clearly know exactly what they are doing.
And since most people hate them with a xenophobic zeal on here, why would you want them to be better?

Xenophobia? Directed at the English? A large portion of the world's population would like a word about the legacy of the British empire.

 

[Velolover2]

Formolo and Bennett made it to the front group?

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

The supercombative award is pretty complicated, but from what I get.

Top 6 in the stage ==> points
Top 4 over a mountain ==> points
Top 5 in an intermediate sprint ==> points

 

[Bonimenier]

Bouchard fooling everyone with that fake.

 

[Fantastico]

Formolo and Bennett made it to the front group?

I think Bennett's group was caught by the peloton a few minutes ago.

 

[Anybody_but..]

Formolo is killing the break

 

[Vasilis]

Formolo and Bennett made it to the front group?

Not sure but I think that group was caught

 

[Tim Cahill]

Campanaerts DNF knee pain, must be infectious

 

[limak_]

Nibali isn't. But I'm not sure Mollema even knows Ciccone is on the same team, judging by his 'support' so far

Mollema finally realised after 2,5 weeks he has s**t legs

 

[Mayomaniac]

At least this one is a quality breakaway with many good climbers, not many people would be mad if they made it.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

I'm surprised there are so few riders from GC teams in the break. Only Astana, Trek and Ineos. Plus Quickstep if they still count. Bike Exchange in particular have done absolutely nothing this Giro aside from Schultz and Kangert hanging on for longer than most domestiques a few times.

 

[BigCoward]

Xenophobia? Directed at the English? A large portion of the world's population would like a word about the legacy of the British empire.

What does the British empire have to do with cycling?

 

[Vasilis]

I'm surprised there are so few riders from GC teams in the break. Only Astana, Trek and Ineos. Plus Quickstep if they still count. Bike Exchange in particular have done absolutely nothing this Giro aside from Schultz and Kangert hanging on for longer than most domestiques a few times.

Oh yeah, BikeExchange has riders other than Yates in this race too. In fact, all of them apparently.

 

[Lequack]

So Dan Martin will win this now.

 

[roundabout]

Gaps are pretty close on GC for 2-7 and with something like 21km of MTF at over 9% + another MTF after a reasonably tough stage + 30 km ITT there is limited need to go very aggressive early.

I mean I don't fully agree with it, but I think that would be the logic right now,

 

[Velolover2]

"Fruitful" DNS/DNF:

Ewan
Campenaerts
Nizzolo
Dombrowski
Merlier
Mäder

Quite a lot this year.

 

[limak_]

Gaps are pretty close on GC for 2-7 and with something like 21km of MTF at over 9% + another MTF after a reasonably tough stage + 30 km ITT there is limited need to go very aggressive early.

I mean I don't fully agree with it, but I think that would be the logic right now,

Except, the logic is no longer with us..

 

[Velolover2]

Even if the breakaway will make it, I don't think Martin has a shot of a top 5 position.

Will be tired after today's effort and there is a longer time trial at last.

 

[titan31]

"Fruitful" DNS/DNF:

Ewan
Campenaerts
Nizzolo
Dombrowski
Merlier
Mäder

Quite a lot this year.

Mader and Dombrowski were legitimate tbf. Not sure why Campanaerts didn't start.

 

[limak_]

Even if the breakaway will make it, I don't think Martin has a shot of a top 5 position.

Will be tired after today's effort and there is a longer time trial at last.

I don't even think he aims for GC any more.
More like stage wins

 

[Vasilis]

Mader and Dombrowski were legitimate tbf. Not sure why Campanaerts didn't start.

I think the point is that they got something out of the race aka won a stage before abandoning.