Vuelta a España 2022 Vuelta a España - stage 8: La Pola Llaviana - Collau Fancuaya. 153.4km. Mountain

[HelloDolly]

Jay Vine is 70Kg so that power to weight calculation is not correct for him and should be nearer 6.45W/kg

after all he beat everyone out the peloton a few days ago
and today he rode away on top climbers

His power is mega

 

[CyclistAbi]

Congratulations to Jay Vine for winning the stage.

Great stage to watch. It helped there was a strong breakaway with cyclists such as Vine, Landa and Pinot involved. They made the peloton and especially QS to work. Great performances for Evenepoel, Mas and Roglič. Roglič rode smart today. Didn't waste his team, did let Evenepoel to do his thing and to drop cyclists such as Ayuso. Bonus seconds were not at play hence best to just follow today. As it would be hard to make any meaningful difference. Tomorrow likely there will be some time differences in between top 3.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I am sure that now some teams regret not helping Roglič chase at stage 6.

 

[hayneplane]

Jay Vine is 70Kg so that power to weight calculation is not correct for him and should be nearer 6.45W/kg

after all he beat everyone out the peloton a few days ago
and today he rode away on top climbers

His power is mega

Great performance but his final climb was about 90 seconds slower than the leading GC trio so 6W/kg seems far more realistic

 

[Ari]

Someone Help me to understand this.
Its obvious that Almeida has the legs to much more. And this year we already had some examples (giro, Burgos). Why being dropped with 40 cyclists on the main group, to finish with the favourites later? Why he keep looking at his watts to Control his Pace?
I really dont understand this..

 

[42x16ss]

Someone Help me to understand this.
Its obvious that Almeida has the legs to much more. And this year we already had some examples (giro, Burgos). Why being dropped with 40 cyclists on the main group, to finish with the favourites later? Why he keep looking at his watts to Control his Pace?
I really dont understand this..

Almeida can't accelerate like most of the other GC riders so needs to manage his efforts a little closer

 

[noob]

Almeida can't accelerate like most of the other GC riders so needs to manage his efforts a little closer

I had no idea he used his watts to know how to pace himself though, that sounds extraordinary nerdy

 

[Ari]

I had no idea he used his watts to know how to pace himself though, that sounds extraordinary nerdy

You didnt know that, really? Well, if you see today stage again you will noticed. Hes always looking at his clock

 

[movingtarget]

Ineos is riding well IMO, they just haven't got the big gun that they used to have that could destroy the race. Carapaz was never that dude, Bernal is injured, Froome is long gone and Thomas has been overtaken by the new generation.

Yes but making tickyt tack attacks against the stronger riders on the final climb makes no sense. They should be just following and trying to hold their position on GC. Their tactics are all over the place.but as I have been saying since the start, none of the Giro riders have been looking good which is unusual. Usually the longer break works in their favor. So far Hindley can't go with the top 3 on the final climbs I think its already a three horse race unless someone does a form reversal next week.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

Not enough of a time gain opportunity today with how late he left it. Especially with the finish tomorrow. That is basically the last stage where I can see Remco losing this race. I though today would be the harder stage for him, and he handled it just fine

What is this- Lance lads, Belgian edition? Brits were rightly roasted for nationalism etc on here back in the Sky days, there's a conspicuous absence of that sort of sentiment now.

 

[houtdffan]

What is this- Lance lads, Belgian edition? Brits were rightly roasted for nationalism etc on here back in the Sky days, there's a conspicuous absence of that sort of sentiment now.

I'm not Belgian. I'm American

 

[Lequack]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOZKhWDEMx8

 

[Tricycle Rider]

I had no idea he used his watts to know how to pace himself though, that sounds extraordinary nerdy

Some elite pros (both in distance running as well as in cycling) prefer to clock and pace themselves by their own watch or by a watt meter... it's just what they do because that's what they've been trained to do and the cold, hard, visual digits is what they trust. It may not be fun for the spectators, but ultimately I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

Edit- just want to clarify that as long as the watch-watchers and stem-watchers are not completely oblivious to their surroundings I'm okay with them. If they cause unnecessary crashes due to their lack of attention to their surroundings I will decidedly not be okay with them.

 

[Pantani_lives]

Jay was divine.

 

[noob]

Some elite pros (both in distance running as well as in cycling) prefer to clock and pace themselves by their own watch or by a watt meter... it's just what they do because that's what they've been trained to do and the cold, hard, visual digits is what they trust. It may not be fun for the spectators, but ultimately I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

Edit- just want to clarify that as long as the watch-watchers and stem-watchers are not completely oblivious to their surroundings I'm okay with them. If they cause unnecessary crashes due to their lack of attention to their surroundings I will decidedly not be okay with them.

It's like Sheldon Cooper came up with the strategy! No wonder a PCS streamer can become a cycling analyst for a reigning cycling team. As an autistic I am amused and bewildered

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Everyone ahs said both the Giro and the Tour were very hard this year ...ridden very fast ...mental is what alot of riders called them

Unfortunately this kind of racing is vey hard to recover from , not just physically but mentally...Carapaz, Landa, Nibali, Pozzo, and others have clearly not recovered from the Giro...there are a few riders as we have seen over the years who are better at their second GT , well at least in the first half , maybe like Mas

I guess you cant have it both ways ...great Giros/Tours and then everyone up for the Vuelta

I do think Hindley, Yates, TGH, Almedia may get better as the race progresses but it may be too late

Looks like a 3 horse race

Pity Vine lost time early on as the best climber in the race imo

I personally expected a lot from Buitrago, for example, in this Vuelta. He, however, is not even close to his Giro shape.

Shows that it‘s indeed difficult to be top in both GTs, Giro and Vuelta.

 

[tobydawq]

It's like Sheldon Cooper came up with the strategy! No wonder a PCS streamer can become a cycling analyst for a reigning cycling team. As an autistic I am amused and bewildered

It really isn't that strange...

Of course it's unusual that people actually do that but it is the most efficient way to get up a climb.

 

[Red Rick]

It really isn't that strange...

Of course it's unusual that people actually do that but it is the most efficient way to get up a climb.

It makes sense only in cases where drafting doesn't matter, if it does you have to take account for it. And it requires you to know exactly how many watts you can do which is very hard to estimate in a particular racing situation.

But it's psychologically pretty hard to do I think. It's very easy to get caught up in the peloton when there are surges.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Carlos Sastre was basically the poster boy for that, though he wasn't known for stemgazing, he would let go of the lead group often pretty early on on the climb, only to reappear near the front at the summit, having just ridden his own pace all the way up and caught all those who had tried to respond to the action.

 

[tobydawq]

It makes sense only in cases where drafting doesn't matter, if it does you have to take account for it. And it requires you to know exactly how many watts you can do which is very hard to estimate in a particular racing situation.

But it's psychologically pretty hard to do I think. It's very easy to get caught up in the peloton when there are surges.

Of course, and you can't do it just before a top or a flat section, obviously.

 

[noob]

You didnt know that, really? Well, if you see today stage again you will noticed. Hes always looking at his clock

I knew it as he has talked about it as well, but I didn't put the two things together

 

[noob]

When people complains about Almeida positioning and descending etc I've said he seems slow to respond in general. If his clock is where he's at there's no wonder he won't follow surges, can be lost behind echelons etc etc. It also should be really hard to ride for him as a domestique. No wonder he will struggle to get support.

How absolutely amazing is it that he never even gets a single scratch from a crash.

 

[tobydawq]

When people complains about Almeida positioning and descending etc I've said he seems slow to respond in general. If his clock is where he's at there's no wonder he won't follow surges, can be lost behind echelons etc etc. It also should be really hard to ride for him as a domestique. No wonder he will struggle to get support.

How absolutely amazing is it that he never even gets a single scratch from a crash.

Well, of course he doesn't ride like that on flat sections where echelons can form...

 

[noob]

Well, of course he doesn't ride like that on flat sections where echelons can form...

I actually wouldn't be surprised if he does to some extent. Of course not fully or he wouldn't stay on his bike. But to some extents that makes focus shifting miliseconds slower. Also he seems risk averse which also factors in.

 

[noob]

Btw: Does Remco use his clock a lot too?