2023-24 Cyclocross Game

Armchair Cyclist · Nov 24, 2023

Wow! Thanks! Why didn't I think of that???

Edit: Sarcastic replies look odd when the post to which they replied are deleted.

RedheadDane · Nov 26, 2023

Just to be clear, you're getting points for a top-20 in the World Cup, right?

Armchair Cyclist · Nov 27, 2023

RedheadDane said:
Just to be clear, you're getting points for a top-20 in the World Cup, right?

10 of them for your unique pick in 20th.

Armchair Cyclist · Nov 27, 2023

Main scorers this weekend who are in the game

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
RONHAAR Pim	200	200				200
ISERBYT Eli	190	190	190	190		190	190
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen	170	170	170	170		170	170
SWEECK Laurens	170
BACKSTEDT Zoe		140	140	140		140	140
SCHREIBER Marie	120		120	120		120
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge	100	100	100	100	100	100
NYS Thibau	90	90	90	90		90	90
VAN ALPHEN Aniek	90	90	90	90	90	90
VANDEPUTTE Niels	84	84		84	84	84
KAMP Ryan		80
ROCHETTE Maghalie		80
BETSEMA Denise			78
KUHN Kevin	70			70		70	70
VAN KESSEL Corné					70

This weekend:

1	ArmchairCyclist	1590
2	RoteLaterne	1480
3	Josedin	1442
4	PostmanHat	1376
5	MuddyWaters	1302
6	SamuCuenca	962
7	RedheadDane	558

Could have been even better for me if Sweeck had held on for that last corner.

Standings

1	ArmchairCyclist	7614	0
2	Josedin	6622	0
3	RoteLaterne	6569	0
4	PostmanHat	5753	1
5	SamuCuenca	5428	-1
6	MuddyWaters	4722	0
7	RedheadDane	2837	0

Armchair Cyclist · Dec 5, 2023

I caught up on watching the weekend's races last evening. Seeing Vantourenhout and Sweeck no longer appearing to be in the top level of riders, I certainly didn't expect to top the week's scores, but I guess Backstedt's visit to the road team training camp, and Pieterse joining in the collective ignoring of the World Cup saved me.

Anyone regret not picking Lucinda Brand yet?
Weekend's top scorers

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
ISERBYT Eli	270	270	270	270		270	270
NIEUWENHUIS Joris	220	220				220	220
SCHREIBER Marie	170		170	170		170
VAN DER HAAR Lars	170	170	170	170	170	170	170
BETSEMA Denise			166
VANDEPUTTE Niels	160	160		160	160	160
WORST Annemarie	160		160			160
RONHAAR Pim	140	140				140
BENTVELD Leonie		140		140
VAN ANROOIJ Shirin					134
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge	130	130	130	130	130	130
VAN EMPEL Fem	100	100	100	100	100	100	100
KUHN Kevin	90			90		90	90
MASON Cameron	80		80	80			80
BAKKER Manon		80		80
PIETERSE Puck		80	80	80		80	80
Vas Kata Blanka			80

1	ArmchairCyclist	1914
2	RoteLaterne	1822
3	Josedin	1712
4	PostmanHat	1602
5	MuddyWaters	1562
6	SamuCuenca	1184
7	RedheadDane	884

Overall

1	ArmchairCyclist	9528	0
2	RoteLaterne	8391	1
3	Josedin	8334	-1
4	PostmanHat	7355	0
5	SamuCuenca	6612	0
6	MuddyWaters	6284	0
7	RedheadDane	3721	0

I had at one stage considered being in Belgium next weekend, and going to Essen. That didn't come off, but one day I'll get across for a weekend of these one day, some time.

rote_laterne2 · Dec 6, 2023

Lucinda Brand could be the game changer, but I didn't know she would return to racing so soon and I honestly didn't expect her to be that good race after race.

Congrats for winning second week in a row. Crossing fingers for your Belgium trip to come.

Armchair Cyclist · Dec 10, 2023

Rucphen, Essen and Val di Sole

~~First midweek points in the game, I think:~~ No, Koppenbergcross was on a Wednesday

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
NIEUWENHUIS Joris	200	200				200	200
BAKKER Manon		200		200
VANDEPUTTE Niels	170	170		170	170	170
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen	170	170	170	170		170	170
PIETERSE Puck		140	140	140		140	140
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael	120				120
BARONI Francesca							116
KAMP Ryan		110
CASASOLA Sara			110				110
ISERBYT Eli	100	100	100	100		100	100
SWEECK Laurens	90
VERDONSCHOT Laura			86				86
KUHN Kevin	80			80		80	80
ROCHETTE Maghalie		70
VANDEBOSCH Toon					50
NORBERT RIBEROLLE Marion	50			50		50
ORTS Felipe		50	50				50
VAN AERT Wout					50

1	Josedin	1250
2	SamuCuenca	1134
3	ArmchairCyclist	1066
4	PostmanHat	996
5	RoteLaterne	950
6	MuddyWaters	762
7	RedheadDane	524

Standings

1	ArmchairCyclist	10594	0
2	Josedin	9584	1
3	RoteLaterne	9341	-1
4	PostmanHat	8351	0
5	SamuCuenca	7746	0
6	MuddyWaters	7046	0
7	RedheadDane	4245	0

Van der Poel enters the fray next weekend, and is on four teams.

RedheadDane · Dec 16, 2023

I predict a decent amount of points for me today.

Armchair Cyclist · Dec 18, 2023

The other two big names are in, and one of them is already raking in the points

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
Pidcock Tom				240
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen	200	200	200	200		200	200
PIETERSE Puck		170	170	170		170	170
RONHAAR Pim	170	170				170
ISERBYT Eli	152	152	152	152		152	152
NIEUWENHUIS Joris	140	140				140	140
VAN DER HAAR Lars	126	126	126	126	126	126	126
CASASOLA Sara			120				120
WORST Annemarie	116		116			116
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael	114				114
VANDEPUTTE Niels	104	104		104	104	104
ORTS Felipe		100	100				100
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge	100	100	100	100	100	100
SCHREIBER Marie	90		90	90		90
VANDEBOSCH Toon					82
KAY Anna			70
BENTVELD Leonie		70		70

Felipe Orts craftily picking up lots of Spanish points while not appearing on our screens.

A very close week between most teams

1	Josedin	1566
2	MuddyWaters	1550
3	PostmanHat	1544
4	RoteLaterne	1532
5	ArmchairCyclist	1512
6	SamuCuenca	1250
7	RedheadDane	757

Standings
So close that there is no change in the standings

1	ArmchairCyclist	12106
2	Josedin	11150
3	RoteLaterne	10873
4	PostmanHat	9895
5	SamuCuenca	8996
6	MuddyWaters	8596
7	RedheadDane	5002

The game had a staggered start, so what if we all had the same start point:
Points through the whole season

1	ArmchairCyclist	18840
2	Josedin	18232
3	RoteLaterne	17795
4	MuddyWaters	17102
5	SamuCuenca	16557
6	PostmanHat	16531
7	RedheadDane	8295

Points since entries closed

1	ArmchairCyclist	10322
2	RoteLaterne	9988
3	Josedin	9818
4	PostmanHat	9010
5	MuddyWaters	8596
6	SamuCuenca	8022
7	RedheadDane	3983

Can't say whay the updating schedule will be when there is the flurry of races around Christmas (but if it is anything like last year, looking forward to it greatly)

Armchair Cyclist · Dec 26, 2023

Pre-Christmas weekend (Mol and Antwerp)

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
VAN DER POEL Mathieu		250		250	250	250
VAN AERT Wout					210
VAN EMPEL Fem	200	200	200	200	200	200	200
PIETERSE Puck		140	140	140		140	140
ISERBYT Eli	140	140	140	140		140	140
VERDONSCHOT Laura			136				136
VAN ANROOIJ Shirin					130
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen	120	120	120	120		120	120
SWEECK Laurens	120
VANDEPUTTE Niels	116	116		116	116	116
NIEUWENHUIS Joris	100	100				100	100
VAN DER HAAR Lars	90	90	90	90	90	90	90
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge	80	80	80	80	80	80
VANDEBOSCH Toon					78
BACKSTEDT Zoe		78	78	78		78	78
Pidcock Tom				70
SCHREIBER Marie	70		70	70		70
BAKKER Manon		70		70

MvdP makes his mark properly:
A tie!

1	RoteLaterne	1622
1	Josedin	1622
3	PostmanHat	1612
4	MuddyWaters	1332
5	ArmchairCyclist	1300
6	RedheadDane	1241
7	SamuCuenca	1192

Standings
No change, but the teams with Van der Poel could steamroller me over the next few days

1	ArmchairCyclist	13406
2	Josedin	12772
3	RoteLaterne	12495
4	PostmanHat	11507
5	SamuCuenca	10188
6	MuddyWaters	9928
7	RedheadDane	6243

Five days in a row with major races coming up, change is surely in the air.

Armchair Cyclist · Jan 1, 2024

Points haul across the five day post-Christmas session:

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
VAN DER POEL Mathieu		600		600	600	600
PIETERSE Puck		500	500	500		500	500
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen	470	470	470	470		470	470
NIEUWENHUIS Joris	410	410				410	410
VAN EMPEL Fem	390	390	390	390	390	390	390
VAN AERT Wout					370
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge	256	256	256	256	256	256
ISERBYT Eli	240	240	240	240		240	240
VAN DER HAAR Lars	240	240	240	240	240	240	240
Vas Kata Blanka			240
Pidcock Tom				221
VANDEPUTTE Niels	220	220		220	220	220
CASASOLA Sara			218				218
SCHREIBER Marie	200		200	200		200
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael	200				200
RONHAAR Pim	190	190				190
KAMP Ryan		186
BACKSTEDT Zoe		170	170	170		170	170
BAKKER Manon		146		146
ORTS Felipe		146	146				146
WORST Annemarie	140		140			140
BENTVELD Leonie		116		116
BETSEMA Denise			104

The question at the end will probably be not whether Van der Poel can dominate, but whether his season is long enough to be decisive.

Through that week:

1	Josedin	4400
2	RoteLaterne	4311
3	PostmanHat	4148
4	MuddyWaters	3654
5	ArmchairCyclist	3425
6	SamuCuenca	3120
7	RedheadDane	2465

For my part, leaving out Van Der Poel was a deliberate choice (small number of races, dodgy back), but I omitted Pieterse because I had heard or read something about her not doing much Cyclocross: I fear that the words 'in September' followed but I didn't notice them. And that has made a difference:

Standings
Josedin becomes the second person to ever hold the lead in a CN cyclocross league, and Rote Laterne has very nearly eliminated the advantage I had by being in the game one race earlier

1	Josedin	17172	1
2	ArmchairCyclist	16831	-1
3	RoteLaterne	16806	0
4	PostmanHat	15655	0
5	MuddyWaters	13582	1
6	SamuCuenca	13308	-1
7	RedheadDane	8708	0

If nobody had points before Dendermonde, by which time all the teams were in:

1	RoteLaterne	15921
2	Josedin	15840
3	ArmchairCyclist	15047
4	PostmanHat	14770
5	MuddyWaters	13582
6	SamuCuenca	12334
7	RedheadDane	7689

Or if we backdated our scores to what PCS records as the start of the season (1st July, which no-one considers the CX season)

1	Josedin	24254
2	RoteLaterne	23728
3	ArmchairCyclist	23565
4	PostmanHat	22291
5	MuddyWaters	22088
6	SamuCuenca	20869
7	RedheadDane	12001

The fully gory numerical detail is in the spreadsheet

Armchair Cyclist · Jan 8, 2024

New Year's Week Races on Monday (NYD), Thursday, Sat and Sunday, but that will be the last of these megaweeks. Are there any more midweek events of relevance?

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
VAN DER POEL Mathieu		400		400	400	400
RONHAAR Pim	270	270				270
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge	206	206	206	206	206	206
SWEECK Laurens	202
PIETERSE Puck		200	200	200		200	200
NIEUWENHUIS Joris	200	200				200	200
VAN EMPEL Fem	200	200	200	200	200	200	200
VAN DER HAAR Lars	190	190	190	190	190	190	190
BACKSTEDT Zoe		190	190	190		190	190
WORST Annemarie	162		162			162
VAN AERT Wout					150
VERDONSCHOT Laura			150				150
VANDEBOSCH Toon					142
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael	138				138
BETSEMA Denise			134
NYS Thibau	126	126	126	126		126	126

This week:

1	Josedin	2557
2	RoteLaterne	2464
3	ArmchairCyclist	2112
4	PostmanHat	2110
5	MuddyWaters	2066
6	SamuCuenca	1695
7	RedheadDane	1635

Standings
Rote Laterne completes catching up on me after missing Koppenberg

1	Josedin	19729	0
2	RoteLaterne	19270	1
3	ArmchairCyclist	18943	-1
4	PostmanHat	17765	0
5	MuddyWaters	15648	0
6	SamuCuenca	15003	0
7	RedheadDane	10343	0

And the order is the same now, whether we take the rules that I set (as above), or we take all points since the beginning of July, or since entries closed just before Dendermonde.

National Championships next weekend, not as many points as most weekends.

Armchair Cyclist · Jan 24, 2024

An odd couple of weeks: nationals, an Ethias race with a very poor depth of field, and a World Cup race not won by Van der Poel.
The main points gained:

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael	275				275
ISERBYT Eli	250	250	250	250		250	250
PIETERSE Puck		235	235	235		235	235
VAN EMPEL Fem	200	200	200	200	200	200	200
VAN AERT Wout					200
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen	190	190	190	190		190	190
NYS Thibau	180	180	180	180		180	180
NORBERT RIBEROLLE Marion	155			155		155
ORTS Felipe		150	150				150
VERDONSCHOT Laura			145				145
VAN DER HAAR Lars	135	135	135	135	135	135	135
CASASOLA Sara			130				130
VANDEBOSCH Toon					125
KAMP Ryan		124
MASON Cameron	120		120	120			120
NIEUWENHUIS Joris	118	118				118	118
WORST Annemarie	115		115			115
VANDEPUTTE Niels	112	112		112	112	112
SCHREIBER Marie	110		110	110		110
KAY Anna			104
VAN DER POEL Mathieu		100		100	100	100
Vas Kata Blanka			100

A rather mixed bag of results, the upshot of which is:

1	MuddyWaters	2308
2	ArmchairCyclist	2233
3	Josedin	2189
4	PostmanHat	2175
5	RoteLaterne	2171
6	SamuCuenca	2042
7	RedheadDane	1308

And the overall positions remain unchanged:

1	Josedin	21918
2	RoteLaterne	21441
3	ArmchairCyclist	21176
4	PostmanHat	19940
5	MuddyWaters	17956
6	SamuCuenca	17045
7	RedheadDane	11651

Flandriencross andHoogerheide WC at the weekend.

Armchair Cyclist · Jan 29, 2024

Flandriencross + Hoogerheide

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
VAN EMPEL Fem	300	300	300	300	300	300	300
VAN DER POEL Mathieu		300		300	300	300
ISERBYT Eli	170	170	170	170		170	170
NIEUWENHUIS Joris	170	170				170	170
Vas Kata Blanka			170
VERDONSCHOT Laura			150				150
RONHAAR Pim	140	140				140
VAN DER HAAR Lars	130	130	130	130	130	130	130
NYS Thibau	120	120	120	120		120	120
BACKSTEDT Zoe		120	120	120		120	120
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael	114				114
VANDEPUTTE Niels	106	106		106	106	106
SCHREIBER Marie	100		100	100		100
BAKKER Manon		92		92
ORTS Felipe		90	90				90
WORST Annemarie	84		84			84
VANDEBOSCH Toon					76
PIETERSE Puck		70	70	70		70	70
BETSEMA Denise			68
NORBERT RIBEROLLE Marion	50			50		50
HOLMGREN Isabella							50

This weekend
The top two pull farther away, the bottom two fall farther adrift, the middle trio compacts still more.

1	Josedin	1923
2	RoteLaterne	1910
3	PostmanHat	1696
4	MuddyWaters	1661
5	ArmchairCyclist	1614
6	SamuCuenca	1476
7	RedheadDane	1071

No change of position again, and even with the generous World Championship points available, I'm not sure that much can be expected.

1	Josedin	23841
2	RoteLaterne	23351
3	ArmchairCyclist	22790
4	PostmanHat	21636
5	MuddyWaters	19617
6	SamuCuenca	18521
7	RedheadDane	12710

Armchair Cyclist · Feb 5, 2024

So it turns out that I had been making a mistake. I did announce at the beginning of the game that this was about elite level points, not U23 ones, but it was only with the World Championships that I realised that there is such a thing as U23 points for women, in the European championships as well as the worlds. So while I have been removing points from the Euro U23s for RhD's selection of Van Sinaey, I hadn't for others. so the following points will be deducted from scores (where they have already been factored in), or will remain absent from your scores (WC U23)

I had already deducted U23 points from Van den Eijnden and Van Den Boer (unsurprisingly, unique picks for RhD): I don't think anyone else selected on the men's side has a mixture of elite & U23 points: Ronhaar and Nys could have ridden at that level but didn't: Verstrynge is the highest ranked rider to have mixed up the two levels during the season, but was unpicked.

`	Euros	other	World
BACKSTEDT Zoe	40		80
BENTVELD Leonie	26		55
HOLMGREN Isabella		15	50
SCHREIBER Marie	34		45
VAN SINAEY Xaydée	18		40

So once I have that sorted on the spreadsheet, I can update for the World's.

Armchair Cyclist · Feb 5, 2024

Scrub all that: I might have been under-crediting Van Sinaey by 18 points for much of the season, but it turns out that although PCS includes U 18 points in the rider summary, it excludes them from the table. At least it does now: I don't think it was a few weeks ago.

But they have included men's U23 points in the table to the benefit of Van den Eijnden and Van den Boer, so I will continue to strip those out manually..
An odd inconsistency.

Armchair Cyclist · Feb 5, 2024

So, from the World Championships:
(elite level only, no points from the relay)

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
VAN EMPEL Fem	275	275	275	275	275	275	275
VAN DER POEL Mathieu		275		275	275	275
NIEUWENHUIS Joris	225	225				225	225
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael	190				190
PIETERSE Puck		190	190	190		190	190
RONHAAR Pim	170	170				170
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen	170	170	170	170		170	170
ISERBYT Eli	150	150	150	150		150	150
VERDONSCHOT Laura			150				150
CASASOLA Sara			135				135
WORST Annemarie	120		120			120
NYS Thibau	90	90	90	90		90	90
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge	90	90	90	90	90	90
ORTS Felipe		80	80				80
ROCHETTE Maghalie		80

We return from Czechia with the following points gained:

1	Josedin	2019
2	RoteLaterne	1959
3	ArmchairCyclist	1732
4	MuddyWaters	1615
5	SamuCuenca	1525
6	PostmanHat	1500
7	RedheadDane	1081

and the standings, once again, are unchanged

1	Josedin	25860
2	RoteLaterne	25310
3	ArmchairCyclist	24522
4	PostmanHat	23136
5	MuddyWaters	21232
6	SamuCuenca	20046
7	RedheadDane	13791

The season is getting near the end. We have an exact Cross midweek and 2 races next weekend, and after that it's just the Brussels University race, and then bikes are hosed down until the autumn. I'm not sure what amount of participation from the main names to expect in what is left.

rote_laterne2 · Feb 6, 2024

Clean run for Josedin who extends his lead week after week.

Armchair Cyclist · Feb 12, 2024

Maldegem, Middelkerke and Lille: the post-Worlds circuit for those that are still bothered

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
ISERBYT Eli	200	200	200	200		200	200
VERDONSCHOT Laura			200				200
VANDEPUTTE Niels	186	186		186	186	186
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael	162				162
VAN DER HAAR Lars	152	152	152	152	152	152	152
NIEUWENHUIS Joris	150	150				150	150
BENTVELD Leonie		136		136
NORBERT RIBEROLLE Marion	126			126		126
WORST Annemarie	110		110			110
VAN ALPHEN Aniek	108	108	108	108	108	108
ORTS Felipe		104	104				104
VAN EMPEL Fem	100	100	100	100	100	100	100
BAKKER Manon		78		78
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen	70	70	70	70		70	70
SWEECK Laurens	70

And without Van der Poel beating everyone and every race up, I get a look in

1	ArmchairCyclist	1542
2	Josedin	1375
3	RoteLaterne	1272
4	PostmanHat	1210
5	MuddyWaters	1114
6	SamuCuenca	1104
7	RedheadDane	780

But lest there had been any doubt, Josedin takes another hundred points out of 2nd place Rote Laterne in the overall

1	Josedin	27235
2	RoteLaterne	26582
3	ArmchairCyclist	26064
4	PostmanHat	24346
5	MuddyWaters	22346
6	SamuCuenca	21150
7	RedheadDane	14571

And so there is just one race left, the Brussels University X2O race. I can't imagine those gaps beoing closed in one day's racing (although if we take points from the beginning of July, which PCS counts as the season's start, there is one battle for places that is only about 100 points).

Armchair Cyclist · Feb 12, 2024

So after this prototype, where do we go?
Picking riders: by budget or from groups? I opted for groups this year partly because I had no notion of where I might set a budget limit, but perhaps more so because I suspected that most would-be players, like me, have very little familiarity with names outside the top 40 or 50. There isn't the wide scope of races to follow that show us other riders, and I don't think many of us have a good knowledge of the field in a typical, non-Exact, C2 race. This system did make for a lot of team similarity, but essentially neutralising the top scorers is also what a budget does (not many invested 3000 pts plus on Pogacar in the main game)

Start of the season? Should we count points from the nominal start of the season, which (especially in a budget game) would bring a lot more into play about who competes in the American races? From 1st World Cup event? First Belgian/Dutch C1 race? First European World Cup race? I have no strong feelings about that, and this season's start date was largely determined by me not having done anything sooner, but wanting to have a go at launching an edition this year, so it's not a precedent I really want to follow. And if the closing date is after point earning has begun, is it fairer to all start from the same point, or to reward those who take the plunge early?

Closing date for the game? This season, the first races were in mid August, but I doubt any of us are giving much thought to cyclocross during the build-up to La Vuelta, So when could I ask you to think about it? The same options as above seem the obvious landmarks on the calendar: this year that would have been Waterloo on 15 Oct, Overijse a week later, or Maasmechelen at the end of that month.

Point scale What to do with U23 points? PCS are very inconsistent about showing them or not (included in men's table, not in women's). Or is there another scale of points? @LosBrolin : what can First offer by way of
CX rankings?

Everything is up for discussion: balance of men and women, size of team, whatever. It won't challenge the Main season CQ game on this board, but it can add a bit of fun to the winter other than honing and then regretting our selections there.

Armchair Cyclist · Feb 19, 2024

So there were 2 races left, I hadn't seen anything about the Sint Nicklaas races on Saturday (or had forgotten them if I had)

So the final weekend of the season sees these riders star for us :

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
ISERBYT Eli	140	140	140	140		140	140
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael	130				130
NORBERT RIBEROLLE Marion	112			112		112
WORST Annemarie	96		96			96
BAKKER Manon		90		90
VERDONSCHOT Laura			82				82
BENTVELD Leonie		78		78
VANDEPUTTE Niels	70	70		70	70	70
VAN DER HAAR Lars	70	70	70	70	70	70	70
NIEUWENHUIS Joris	70	70				70	70
VANDEBOSCH Toon					70

And the final installment of scores is:

1	ArmchairCyclist	797
2	PostmanHat	653
3	Josedin	618
4	RoteLaterne	616
5	MuddyWaters	527
6	RedheadDane	442
7	SamuCuenca	433

And the overall positions remain as they have been for several weeks now

1	Josedin	27853
2	RoteLaterne	27198
3	ArmchairCyclist	26861
4	PostmanHat	24999
5	MuddyWaters	22873
6	SamuCuenca	21583
7	RedheadDane	15013

It has also bee the case that even if nobody had any points credited before everyone started (at Dendermonde) that the positions would be the same:

1	Josedin	26521
2	RoteLaterne	26313
3	ArmchairCyclist	25077
4	PostmanHat	24114
5	MuddyWaters	22873
6	SamuCuenca	20609
7	RedheadDane	13994

And the same would be true if we took our riders' points since the very start of the season

1	Josedin	34935
2	RoteLaterne	34120
3	ArmchairCyclist	33595
4	PostmanHat	31635
5	MuddyWaters	31379
6	SamuCuenca	29144
7	RedheadDane	18306

Congratulations to Josedin, and to Rote Laterne for keeping some element of contest in it.

I believe that Josedin was top scorer on 6 updates, plus a shared one, I had 6 top spots, Rote Laterne had 1 plus the other half of that tied week, and Muddy Waters was top of the pile once.

Armchair Cyclist · Feb 19, 2024

All the selected riders (season long scores, because those are the ones that easily copy into this table):

	Armchair	Josedin	Muddy	Postman	RhD	Rote L	Samu
ISERBYT Eli	3347	3347	3347	3347		3347	3347
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen	2910	2910	2910	2910		2910	2910
NIEUWENHUIS Joris	2724	2724				2724	2724
VAN EMPEL Fem	2715	2715	2715	2715	2715	2715	2715
VAN DER HAAR Lars	2433	2433	2433	2433	2433	2433	2433
PIETERSE Puck		2101	2101	2101		2101	2101
RONHAAR Pim	2090	2090				2090
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael	2077				2077
VANDEPUTTE Niels	1998	1998		1998	1998	1998
VAN DER POEL Mathieu		1975		1975	1975	1975
VERDONSCHOT Laura			1970				1970
WORST Annemarie	1769		1769			1769
BAKKER Manon		1714		1714
SWEECK Laurens	1607
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge	1573	1573	1573	1573	1573	1573
VAN ALPHEN Aniek	1514	1514	1514	1514	1514	1514
ORTS Felipe		1511	1511				1511
SCHREIBER Marie	1410		1410	1410		1410
CASASOLA Sara			1403				1403
NYS Thibau	1334	1334	1334	1334		1334	1334
BACKSTEDT Zoe		1318	1318	1318		1318	1318
VANDEBOSCH Toon					1297
KAMP Ryan		1272
BENTVELD Leonie		1257		1257
MASON Cameron	1185		1185	1185			1185
NORBERT RIBEROLLE Marion	1176			1176		1176
BETSEMA Denise			1176
ROCHETTE Maghalie		1149
KUHN Kevin	1062			1062		1062	1062
VAN AERT Wout					980
BARONI Francesca							900
KAY Anna			880
Vas Kata Blanka			830
HOLMGREN Isabella							785
KUYPERS Gerben	671					671	671
Pidcock Tom				613
VAN KESSEL Corné					597
MEIN Thomas							543
VAN DE PUTTE Victor					438
VAN ANROOIJ Shirin					384
MUZIC Évita							232
VAN SINAEY Xaydée					195
VAN DEN EIJNDEN Guus					84
VAN DEN BOER Seppe					46
VAN DEN BOSSCHE Angelo					0
VAN DER VREKEN Lucas					0
VAN SPEYBROEK Matti					0

	33595	34935	31379	31635	18306	34120	29144
	3rd	1st	5th	4th	7th	2nd	6th

And the best possible team (again, based on season long scores, rather than points for the game, but I suspect the outcome would be the same)

Iserbyt Eli	3347	A
Alvarado Ceylin del Carmen	2910	A
Nieuwenhuis Joris	2724
van Empel Fem	2715	A
Brand Lucinda	2625	A
van der Haar Lars	2433	A
Pieterse Puck	2101	A
Ronhaar Pim	2090
Vandeputte Niels	1998	B
Verdonschot Laura	1970
Worst Annemarie	1769	B
Bakker Manon	1714	B
van der Heijden Inge	1573	B
van Alphen Aniek	1514	B
Orts Felipe	1511	B
Schreiber Marie	1410
Casasola Sara	1403
Wyseure Joran	1328
	37135

So 11 women and only 7 men, no Van der Poel (yet alone Van Aert and Pidcock), Vantourenhout or Nys; three riders that were only picked twice (Verdonschott, Bakker and Casasola) and one (Brand) who no-one chose at all.

Thanks for joining in, let's see what we do with this next year. No response at all to my invitations for ideas at all yet...

You have all started your Spring Classics Game selections, I trust. By Saturday morning please, don't forget.

rote_laterne2 · Feb 24, 2024

Armchair cyclist said:
So after this prototype, where do we go?
Picking riders: by budget or from groups?
Start of the season?
Closing date for the game?
Point scale

Late congratulations to Josedin.

I do have no real preference regarding budget or points. Budget however is a nice difference to other games. If selection is by budget I would suggest to make the group A and possible B smaller and reduce the number of picks of these groups. I also think it should be mandatory to choose the same number of men and women in each group/have the same budget for the same number of riders.

I think the start of the season should be with the first World Cup race at latest, first C1 race earliest. Points should count when you entered the game as late entrents have the advantage to know some results, form of riders, season goals of riders etc.

I would prefer a closing date before the start of the first race counting for the game. If not, then before the first European WC race.

No U23 points IMO.

Looking forward to the second edition of the game.

Armchair Cyclist · Feb 26, 2024

Every race list I looked at had Brussels University down as the last race, and then suddenly I see the Sluitingsprijs. It doesn't change the order of anything, but I'll try to remember it for next year.
(I would have been top scorer this week if it had counted

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